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[CrankyJay]

Does that intel one support TRIM?

I just need a SSD around 120gb. Going to be used as OS + apps/games.

Dunno about the ones, but the x25-m does:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...167035&cm_re=intel_x25-_-20-167-035-_-Product

 

[TheExodu5]

The Intel 320 is the evolution of the X25-M. There's no real reason to get the X25-M anymore, unless you're just looking for a price discount, or possibly higher reliability as the X25-M has been proven an extremely reliable drive over the past 2 years.

The 320 should be a prime candidate for anyone using a Sata 3Gb/s port, or anyone looking to spend $240 or less.

The Vertex 3 is $60 more for double the sequential performance, but less proven reliability. It also needs a Sata 6Gb/s to get that performance.

In terms of real world performance, this is probably only going to result in noticeably lower game load times and nothing else. In terms of general OS usage, both drives will likely perform about the same.

 

[Sarcasm]

The Intel 320 is the evolution of the X25-M. There's no real reason to get the X25-M anymore, unless you're just looking for a price discount, or possibly higher reliability as the X25-M has been proven an extremely reliable drive over the past 2 years.

The 320 should be a prime candidate for anyone using a Sata 3Gb/s port, or anyone looking to spend $240 or less.

The Vertex 3 is $60 more for double the sequential performance, but less proven reliability. It also needs a Sata 6Gb/s to get that performance.

In terms of real world performance, this is probably only going to result in noticeably lower game load times and nothing else. In terms of general OS usage, both drives will likely perform about the same.

What I get from this is I should get the intel one (if it suports trim, the 120gb 320 model) since this is a laptop that has Sata II.

 

[nataku]

What's a good replacement fan for the Hyper 212+? Mine is making a really loud, annoying high pitch whine when it gets going during games.

 

[TheExodu5]

What's a good replacement fan for the Hyper 212+? Mine is making a really loud, annoying high pitch whine when it gets going during games.

Scythe S-Flex, Scythe Kamaflow, or Thermalright. I'd try to not go any higher than 1200RPM. 800RPM if you're doing push-pull.

What I get from this is I should get the intel one (if it suports trim, the 120gb 320 model) since this is a laptop that has Sata II.

That would be my advice, yes.

Anandtech will post its definitive Vertex 3 review (final firmware/memory) later tonight.

Good to know. I'll need to keep my finger on that cancel button if anything major pops up!

 

[Funky Papa]

I don't like the sound of this

for those of you who are wondering, there are big differences between the 120GB Vertex 3 and the 240, more in 24 hours!

OCZ, you fucks, don't push me into the 240GB.

 

[TheExodu5]

Whoa, really? Everything we heard pre launch said the 120GB and 240GB would be even. =\

 

[Funky Papa]

I also have my finger on the cancel button. Not cool.

 

[scogoth]

I don't like the sound of this


OCZ, you fucks, don't push me into the 240GB.

...... I don't want to spend that much on a new ssd. It better be like 6 times as fast for that money.

 

[TheExodu5]

I've got the 240GB on order, so I'm probably okay (unless for some strange reason it's the 240GB model that's gimped).

If the only difference is sequential writes, then no biggie. If it's sequential reads or random speeds, then we may have a problem.

 

[BasicMath]

Thanks a lot. Think I'll go with the i5/6870/ssd configuration then. No idea if I should go for Intel or crucial (both seem to me almost equal in terms of reliability). Will decide that later I guess.

Almost Full build

i5 2500
1GB Radeon 6870 (Thinking of going MSI Twin Frozr, no idea to be honest usually stick to NVIDIA/EVGA)
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600
Corsair HX 750w PSU
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD4-B3
Antec 300
128/120 Crucial/Intel (unsure)

Please feel free to correct me if I'm making a mistake somewhere.

 

[Shambles]

I don't like the sound of this


OCZ, you fucks, don't push me into the Intel 320

fixed for me

 

[Baller. PhD]

I don't like the sound of this


OCZ, you fucks, don't push me into the 240GB.

 

[TheExodu5]

I forget the source, but reports from a distributor had Intel drives at around 0.5% RMA rate, and the rest around 2.5-3%, including Crucial.

Given that the Intel is pretty even with the C300 in terms of real world performance, that would probably be my choice.

 

[Funky Papa]

Fuck this, I just canceled my 120GB reserve.

I've been waiting for a month, I can wait another two days knowing that I won't purchase a gimped unit.

The SSD is the only part separating me from my new build. FUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[Baller. PhD]

Well with the exception of the SSD I think I've got my rig finalized. I've been doing research for the past few days and getting opinions from some other forums. What do you think, GAF?

Remember, my goals are 4.5Ghz stable and as silent as possible. From what I've read online those components should be pretty damn quiet. Should I pull the trigger?

 

[Kalnos]

That build looks boss dude. You could probably get by with a 650W SeaSonic or Cosair PSU if you wanted to, though.

 

[darthbob]

Well with the exception of the SSD I think I've got my rig finalized. I've been doing research for the past few days and getting opinions from some other forums. What do you think, GAF?

Remember, my goals are 4.5Ghz stable and as silent as possible. From what I've read online those components should be pretty damn quiet. Should I pull the trigger?

If it was me, I'd save some cash and get the 2500k and a NH-C14.

 

[Baller. PhD]

If it was me, I'd save some cash and get the 2500k and a NH-C14.

Want hyperthreading for HD video conversion.

That build looks boss dude. You could probably get by with a 650W SeaSonic or Cosair PSU if you wanted to, though.

Yeah, I just wanted the AX line because I read they're essentially the same as SeaSonic X (which seems to be much more expensive). Plus I do plan on adding a sound card, a few more HDD's, PhysX, or maybe even SLI. I just figured 750W was a good safety net.

 

[epmode]

So I'm in the process of picking out hardware for a new computer but I'd like to hold onto old parts if possible.

I have this case: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112105
and this power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817702005

Will I be OK with a new high end motherboard and videocard? I'm pretty sure it'll work but just in case...

 

[mkenyon]

Want hyperthreading for HD video conversion.



Yeah, I just wanted the AX line because I read they're essentially the same as SeaSonic X (which seems to be much more expensive). Plus I do plan on adding a sound card, a few more HDD's, PhysX, or maybe even SLI. I just figured 750W was a good safety net.

With SLI, you'll need something bigger. A 650W will do you fine, even if you add more HDDs and a soundcard. If you want better cooling performance, there are better choices out there as well. Noctua is outclassed, unless noise is a big deal for you.

So I'm in the process of picking out hardware for a new computer but I'd like to hold onto old parts if possible.

I have this case: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112105
and this power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817702005

Will I be OK with a new high end motherboard and videocard? I'm pretty sure it'll work but just in case...

Yeah, you'll be fine if you're trying to save some pennies. I'd be slightly worried about the 4 rails on that BFG, but I don't know the specific amperage per rail. Should be fine though.

 

[Kyaw]

So I'm in the process of picking out hardware for a new computer but I'd like to hold onto old parts if possible.

I have this case: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112105
and this power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817702005

Will I be OK with a new high end motherboard and videocard? I'm pretty sure it'll work but just in case...

What CPU and videocard do you have atm?
That case and PSU is beastly though.

 

[TheExodu5]

This is unrelated to the review from which this is quoted, but I found this interesting:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4255/puget-systems-deluge-mini/4

That puts an overclocked i5 2500K and SLI GTX 560 system at 85W idle power draw. Very, very impressive stuff. Intel and NVidia have both come a long way in terms of idle power draw, it seems.

 

[Kyaw]

Even at load its only over 400w.

 

[black_vegeta]

With SLI, you'll need something bigger. A 650W will do you fine, even if you add more HDDs and a soundcard. If you want better cooling performance, there are better choices out there as well. Noctua is outclassed, unless noise is a big deal for you.

By who my good man?

At least in the air cpu cooler category? I'm sure water cooling is far superior.

 

[JWong]

Ooooh I want an SSD, but JESUS that 240gb vertex 3 is the cost of my CPU and GPU combined!

 

[TheExodu5]

The Noctua is only outperformed by coolers that run their fans at an intolerable 2500RPM+.

 

[mkenyon]

The Noctua is only outperformed by coolers that run their fans at an intolerable 2500RPM+.

Yep. Hence my "unless you're worried about noise" clause.

By who my good man?

At least in the air cpu cooler category? I'm sure water cooling is far superior.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...k=view&id=447&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=15

 

[BloodySinner]

Someone mentioned there's a way to circumvent the Windows 7 OEM protection tied to my motherboard just in case if I ever wanted to use a different model. How is this possible? I knew I should have bookmarked that reply. God, I hate Microsoft.

 

[TheExodu5]

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...k=view&id=447&Itemid=62&limit=1&limitstart=15

They don't even include the Noctua in their comparison. If you check other reviews, you'll see the Noctua is ever so slightly ahead of the Venomous X, which your quoted review ranks as #1.

 

[Kyaw]

They didnt include the TRUE either.

 

[TheExodu5]

They didnt include the TRUE either. Why is that?

The Venomous X is regarded as being its successor (even though the performance is a bit lower). Could be why. The exclusion of the DH-14 is pretty baffling though.

 

[mkenyon]

Sorry, whenever I'm looking at something like computer parts performance:$ is always the ultimate benchmark for me. There are quite a few coolers out there that will get 1-3 degree lower for half the cost of the Noctua, such as the Thermaltake Frio.

If you want ultimate performance, water is the clear winner.

 

[scogoth]

This is unrelated to the review from which this is quoted, but I found this interesting:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4255/puget-systems-deluge-mini/4

That puts an overclocked i5 2500K and SLI GTX 560 system at 85W idle power draw. Very, very impressive stuff. Intel and NVidia have both come a long way in terms of idle power draw, it seems.

Read that too, I'm not usually one for boutique builds cause I like to build then myself but puget did an excellent job with that one.

The Noctua is only outperformed by coolers that run their fans at an intolerable 2500RPM+.

NH-D14 amazes me at how quiet it is for the cooling power. Its not totally silent but I can't hear it over 2 470s anyways.

 

[TheExodu5]

The point of going with a high end cooler like the Noctua is getting full overclocking capability at nearly inaudible noise levels. You could probably run those fans at 600RPM and maintain a 5GHz overclock on a 2500k.

Water cooling has become mostly impractical and pointless today. You won't reach drastically higher overclocks than air without getting into $500+ territory.

NH-D14 amazes me at how quiet it is for the cooling power. Its not totally silent but I can't hear it over 2 470s anyways.

My rule: lower fan speeds until temperatures reach max safe levels, or until fans become completely inaudible.

 

[scogoth]

The point of going with a high end cooler like the Noctua is getting full overclocking capability at nearly inaudible noise levels. You could probably run those fans at 600RPM and maintain a 5GHz overclock on a 2500k.

Water cooling has become mostly impractical and pointless today. You won't reach drastically higher overclocks than air without getting into $500+ territory.

Theres always the look factor and bringing noises down by only running 2 fans or so but yeah thats the $500 area.

 

[bee]

This is unrelated to the review from which this is quoted, but I found this interesting:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4255/puget-systems-deluge-mini/4

That puts an overclocked i5 2500K and SLI GTX 560 system at 85W idle power draw. Very, very impressive stuff. Intel and NVidia have both come a long way in terms of idle power draw, it seems.

whilst theres a lot more in my system than that mini thing, i have the same setup and its more like 150w idle and 420w gaming (3D vision with 60fps max or 2D with in game 60fps max) or 520w (no vsync or game is vsynced at 120fps), that's at the wall of course

 

[Coldsnap]

Is my rig going to run a bit hotter because I got a micro ASUS board?

 

[TheExodu5]

whilst theres a lot more in my system than that mini thing, i have the same setup and its more like 150w idle and 420w gaming (3D vision with 60fps max or 2D with in game 60fps max) or 520w (no vsync or game is vsynced at 120fps), that's at the wall of course

You running your 2500K with speed stepping? Are you sure your GPUs aren't under load at any point (some applications, like FireFox, will cause my GPUs to clock at 450MHz instead of 51MHz)? Are your HDDs on sleep?

Is my rig going to run a bit hotter because I got a micro ASUS board?

The motherboard itself? Maybe. That shouldn't really impact anything though, since motherboard cooling only comes into play when overclock (and not very much at that with Sandy Bridge).

 

[Coldsnap]

The motherboard itself? Maybe. That shouldn't really impact anything though, since motherboard cooling only comes into play when overclock (and not very much at that with Sandy Bridge).

Ah okay, you told me to go with that board since i wasn't going to be overclocking at all; make sense!

excited to get my computer, Thursday is going to be a big mail day because Newegg shipped it out in like 6 boxes.

 

[bee]

You running your 2500K with speed stepping? Are you sure your GPUs aren't under load at any point (some applications, like FireFox, will cause my GPUs to clock at 450MHz instead of 51MHz)? Are your HDDs on sleep?.

yes the cpu is running 1600mhz at idle, the gpu's properly downclock to 50mhz with the 110hz trick but no the hdd's are set to never sleep as its a total pain waiting for them to spin up and i don't like the windows green ribbon of doom

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Got my pc stuff (not including HDD and DVD drive (bought a sata dvd drive since it seemed like the motherboard wouldn't support ide).

Question, can I use this power cable in the picture? It has a small connecter beside it so that's throwing me off and I don't want to screw something up.

Also is it ok if I have this CPU power cord going across the graphics card like this?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5099/5593783894_04ef392816_z.jpg

nvm about question 2, managed to pull and get it connected.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5021/5593821098_21a81865f5_z.jpg

 

[scogoth]

Got my pc stuff (not including HDD and DVD drive (bought a sata dvd drive since it seemed like the motherboard wouldn't support ide).

Question, can I use this power cable in the picture? It has a small connecter beside it so that's throwing me off and I don't want to screw something up.

Also is it ok if I have this CPU power cord going across the graphics card like this?

Yes. PCI is the right connector. No you should try to re route the cable another way. Its not the end of the world but should try not to.

 

[TheExodu5]

Also is it ok if I have this CPU power cord going across the graphics card like this?

It won't hurt anything, but if your case has a cutout above the CPU power connector, you should pass it through there.

yes the cpu is running 1600mhz at idle, the gpu's properly downclock to 50mhz with the 110hz trick but no the hdd's are set to never sleep as its a total pain waiting for them to spin up and i don't like the windows green ribbon of doom

The HDDs will certainly add a bit, but it definitely looks like a bit of magic is happening to get those power numbers. Also, since you say 1600MHz, I assume it's the 2600K. The 2600K build they have there appears to take a good deal more power under idle...not sure if it's because of the CPU or the build in general. It could also be an exceptional 2500K that runs at very low voltages.

 

[ithorien]

So I got back from Frys, successfully returning the mobo, but I'll never buy anything there again.

Stood in a line of 6 people for a good 10-15 minutes, while 6 employees kept walking around the customer service area with only one of them actually helping. The guy who processed my return took the packing plastic straps off, ripped the tape open, and popped the box open.

He then proceeded to finger fondle the shit out of the product, taking it out of the box, taking the CPU protective insert making sure none of the contacts are damaged, flipping everything upside down examining it. After everything was adequate, he grabbed the board by the north bridge fin heatsink, and proceeded to shove it into the anti-static bag and then put it in the box.

This is a brand new, untouched, unopened board I purchased. It never left the shopping bag. I feel sorry for the guy that ends up buying it. What the fuck Frys.

 

[rc213]

So I got back from Frys, successfully returning the mobo, but I'll never buy anything there again.

Stood in a line of 6 people for a good 10-15 minutes, while 6 employees kept walking around the customer service area with only one of them actually helping. The guy who processed my return took the packing plastic straps off, ripped the tape open, and popped the box open.

He then proceeded to finger fondle the shit out of the product, taking it out of the box, taking the CPU protective insert making sure none of the contacts are damaged, flipping everything upside down examining it. After everything was adequate, he grabbed the board by the north bridge fin heatsink, and proceeded to shove it into the anti-static bag and then put it in the box.

This is a brand new, untouched, unopened board I purchased. It never left the shopping bag. I feel sorry for the guy that ends up buying it. What the fuck Frys.

Nothing is ever brand new, untouched or unopened at Frys. lol

 

[Smokey]

Used to think Fry's was the shit.

Until I met Microcenter.

 

[black_vegeta]

And that's why Fry's return policy and procedures suck ass.

Newegg & Amazon fah lyfe!!!

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

Am I missing something or is amazon selling the p8p67 pro for $150?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QF0VD6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Picking it up anyway.

edit: nm it's already sold out.

 

[ithorien]

Nothing is ever brand new, untouched or unopened at Frys. lol

Yea, considering what I went through, who knows how abused that thing was BEFORE I bought it. Yuck.