Support NeoGAF

[Fixed2BeBroken]

I also ran speedfan....and that program says my cpu temp is -60 c.....wtf....

 

[scogoth]

I also ran speedfan....and that program says my cpu temp is -60 c.....wtf....

I'd say the bios is closest. Temp reading aren't always accurate and core temp and speed fan arent the most reliable. Pretty sure speed fan doesn't support sandy bridge cpus yet.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Shit.....how the hell do i get the temp down....im runjing a 212 + on a i2500k

 

[scogoth]

Shit.....how the hell do i get the temp down....im runjing a 212 + on a i2500k

Temp down to what. Run Realtemp. Idle is usually 25-35 at stock depending on cooler and ambient temps.

 

[Wallach]

Shit.....how the hell do i get the temp down....im runjing a 212 + on a i2500k

First you should focus on getting an accurate reading. Assuming CoreTemp is right and you're somewhere around 30c, that is a totally normal idle temp. That said, idle temperatures are something you really shouldn't be concerned about unless they are extremely high, to where they would indicate a serious problem like your heatsink not actually making contact or your CPU fan not working. Your load temperatures are what you should be more concerned with.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

So how do i read my load temps with a sandybridge?

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Well in my bios its reading 45 to 46

Temp down to what. Run Realtemp. Idle is usually 25-35 at stock depending on cooler and ambient temps.

 

[Wallach]

So how do i read my load temps with a sandybridge?

Just run Prime95 with CoreTemp open and actively watch your temperatures. Run at least 10 minutes to get an idea of where the thermal max would probably settle at under the current load. You can also use something like IntelBurnTest instead of Prime95.

 

[mike23]

Here's my first shot at building a NAS:

I still need a power supply. I'm thinking ~500w should be enough. It has to support the 4 sata III Hitachi drives, 2 sata II drives, and 2 ssds. Any opinions on a modular power supply that would be good?

Thoughts?

 

[mrklaw]

seasonic 520W

 

[Outdoor Miner]

If you're shopping at the Egg get the 620w instead. It's on sale and comes out to $4 cheaper shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...5&cm_re=seasonic_m12ii-_-17-151-095-_-Product

 

[catapult37]

Best single graphics card for under $250?

6950 1 GB

I was planning on this card until I read that the 1GB is not unlockable to 6970. I have also read that it may not even be possible on all 2GB cards. I'm looking on newegg -- is there anything I can do to guarantee I get an unlockable 2GB?

 

[TheExodu5]

Under $250, I'd go with the 560 instead. If you can spend a little more, than the 6950 with unlocked shaders can't be beat.

 

[scorcho]

Well in my bios its reading 45 to 46

That's well within specs. are you overclocking?

 

[TheExodu5]

Here's my first shot at building a NAS:

I still need a power supply. I'm thinking ~500w should be enough. It has to support the 4 sata III Hitachi drives, 2 sata II drives, and 2 ssds. Any opinions on a modular power supply that would be good?

Thoughts?

I realize it's probably not needed, but you could consider putting in an AMD 640. The quad-core could come in handy if ever you start doing some HD transcoding.

 

[catapult37]

Under $250, I'd go with the 560 instead. If you can spend a little more, than the 6950 with unlocked shaders can't be beat.

I can go a little higher. But actually, the HIS 2GB on Newegg is $235 after rebate. I know it's not the highest rated one, but it's still got 5 eggs with 39 reviews. I would just like to know for sure it's unlockable (the reviews do indicate it can be done).

Also, since I went with the standard P8P67 and not the pro, I probably won't use Nvidia at this point, since SLI would not be supported down the line.

 

[knitoe]

Well in my bios its reading 45 to 46

I already posted a few times. Bios temp are usually higher because it doesn't enable power saving features found going in the OS, like Intel's Speedstep.

 

[whatsinaname]

I can go a little higher. But actually, the HIS 2GB on Newegg is $235 after rebate. I know it's not the highest rated one, but it's still got 5 eggs with 39 reviews. I would just like to know for sure it's unlockable (the reviews do indicate it can be done).

Also, since I went with the standard P8P67 and not the pro, I probably won't use Nvidia at this point, since SLI would not be supported down the line.

Also, the XFX 2GB is 245 after rebate on tigerdirect.

 

[catapult37]

Also, the XFX 2GB is 245 after rebate on tigerdirect.

Thanks for the tip -- I understand XFX has a lifetime warranty.

 

[Kenka]

well, looks like we have a new contender in the mid-range market :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6790-barts-gpu-geforce-gtx-460,2917.html

In the final analysis, AMD's Radeon HD 6790 brings 6000-series features like Blu-ray 3D acceleration and five-output Eyefinity support down to the $150 price point, with solid performance to boot. AMD’s new card looks like a real winner in a market where the GeForce GTX 460 768 MB may not exist to compete for very much longer.

Looks way better than the 550Ti.

 

[mike23]

I realize it's probably not needed, but you could consider putting in an AMD 640. The quad-core could come in handy if ever you start doing some HD transcoding.

I considered it, but I don't foresee myself doing anything especially cpu intensive on it.

I swapped out the hard drives for Seagates, and saved $20 there with a coupon. Not sure on the quality difference between Seagate and Hitachi, I've heard bad things about both of them with respect to drive build quality.

Switched to the GA-880 instead of the GA-890 because they seem to be identical except for a difference in on board video card, which I don't really care about for a $30 savings.

If you're shopping at the Egg get the 620w instead. It's on sale and comes out to $4 cheaper shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...5&cm_re=seasonic_m12ii-_-17-151-095-_-Product

This one looks good. Even has enough SATA power connectors.

Total after coupons is at $765.70. I'm tempted to fork over the extra $220 to upgrade to 4 3TB Hitachi drives since NewEgg has them on sale for $130. At the same time, I'm not even sure I should buy the current build, heh.

 

[catapult37]

well, looks like we have a new contender in the mid-range market :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6790-barts-gpu-geforce-gtx-460,2917.html

In the final analysis, AMD's Radeon HD 6790 brings 6000-series features like Blu-ray 3D acceleration and five-output Eyefinity support down to the $150 price point, with solid performance to boot. AMD’s new card looks like a real winner in a market where the GeForce GTX 460 768 MB may not exist to compete for very much longer.

Looks way better than the 550Ti.

God I hate the way these GPUs are numbered. I understand that the first digit is the series, but a newer series does not always give you better performance than a higher-end card on a previous series. I just wish they would drop the 4-digit code (and it really is a code you must know how to decipher) in favor of more descriptive names. This goes for Nvidia too, though I'm less likely to visually mix up 3-digit numbers (I originally read the above quote as 6970).

I guess most PC components are like this, and if I were in the scene more, I'd just know this stuff. But working on my build after having been out for years, it has been a real challenge.

 

[ithorien]

Here's my first shot at building a NAS:

.

I still need a power supply. I'm thinking ~500w should be enough. It has to support the 4 sata III Hitachi drives, 2 sata II drives, and 2 ssds. Any opinions on a modular power supply that would be good?

Thoughts?

Just another suggestion, this is a cute option-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=synology_ds211j-_-22-108-065-_-Product

And it'll cost you ~$400 with two green 2TB drives

EDIT: Nvm, didn't notice you want 4 drives. I guess this is a suggestion for anyone else that wants a cheaper NAS.

 

[JJcao]

Hey guys, i am planning on building a gaming PC with a budget of $700 on newegg.ca can i please can get some input or suggestion to maximize my dollar, Thank You.

 

[mike23]

Just another suggestion, this is a cute option-

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=synology_ds211j-_-22-108-065-_-Product

And it'll cost you ~$400 with two green 2TB drives

I did look at those, but I want to be able to have some redundancy without a 50/50 split. I'll be able to do Raid 5 with 5 2TB drives and only use the equivalent of 1 drive for redundancy. Of course, I'll be screwed if I lose more than one drive, but the important bits will be backed up elsewhere.

Also, those NAS get pretty expensive when they go up to 4 bays. The 4 bay Synology one is reasonable at $360, but after $300 for drives, it's only $100 cheaper than my NAS. And my NAS can hold 10 or 11 drives.

 

[ithorien]

I did look at those, but I want to be able to have some redundancy without a 50/50 split. I'll be able to do Raid 5 with 5 2TB drives and only use the equivalent of 1 drive for redundancy. Of course, I'll be screwed if I lose more than one drive, but the important bits will be backed up elsewhere.

Also, those NAS get pretty expensive when they go up to 4 bays. The 4 bay Synology one is reasonable at $360, but after $300 for drives, it's only $100 cheaper than my NAS. And my NAS can hold 10 or 11 drives.

Yea, definitely, but it does produce a very nice, clean solution if you don't want to go "balls out" for a lower capacity. 4+ drives, I'd go your route for sure.

 

[mkenyon]

I considered it, but I don't foresee myself doing anything especially cpu intensive on it.

I swapped out the hard drives for Seagates, and saved $20 there with a coupon. Not sure on the quality difference between Seagate and Hitachi, I've heard bad things about both of them with respect to drive build quality.

Switched to the GA-880 instead of the GA-890 because they seem to be identical except for a difference in on board video card, which I don't really care about for a $30 savings.




This one looks good. Even has enough SATA power connectors.

Total after coupons is at $765.70. I'm tempted to fork over the extra $220 to upgrade to 4 3TB Hitachi drives since NewEgg has them on sale for $130. At the same time, I'm not even sure I should buy the current build, heh.

I have a very similar setup. One thing you should think about, is that the single most important component in a NAS or fileserver are the HDDs. Those Barracudas have terrible reviews, and are on three platters. That means increased chance of something failing. Any of the economy/green 5400rpm drives are going to give you headaches, regardless of manufacturer. If you want your drives to fail (and this is important) less often, you should look at dual platter drives like the Cav Black RE3/4 drives. Hell, even the spinpoint F3 make pretty decent fileserver drives.

If your fileserver being down is going to cost you money, as in, you have a home business or need it for work, you need to look at enterprise class drives.

 

[Kyaw]

Hey guys, i am planning on building a gaming PC with a budget of $700 on newegg.ca can i please can get some input or suggestion to maximize my dollar, Thank You.

 

[mike23]

I have a very similar setup. One thing you should think about, is that the single most important component in a NAS or fileserver are the HDDs. Those Barracudas have terrible reviews, and are on three platters. That means increased chance of something failing. Any of the economy/green 5400rpm drives are going to give you headaches, regardless of manufacturer. If you want your drives to fail (and this is important) less often, you should look at dual platter drives like the Cav Black RE3/4 drives. Hell, even the spinpoint F3 make pretty decent fileserver drives.

If your fileserver being down is going to cost you money, as in, you have a home business or need it for work, you need to look at enterprise class drives.

It won't cost me money, besides costs due to the dead drive, just time.

I'm torn over your suggestion because I'm a cheap bastard, but I also hate the annoyance of RMAing a drive and rebuilding the raid array and all that. I'm trying to come up with some sort of cost function to determine how much the better drives will save me in annoyance and how much "less annoyance" is worth at some point in the future. :lol

I was already figuring that at least 1 drive will be DOA, I'm 0/3 on building computers without getting some DOA piece.

 

[mkenyon]

This is anecdotal, but I'm using it to backup broad internet knowledge of economy/green drives. I have 3 buddies and myself who all went that route when 1.5 TB drives came down in price (about 1.5 years ago). I went Samsung, one went Seagate, two ween Cav Greens. Every single one of us has RMAd at least 2 drives from our arrays. With mine, I had one drive fail and kept the fileserver down while I was RMAing the drive. When I got it back and started to rebuild the array, another failed, and I lost all my data.

We've all since switched to dual platter 7200 RPM sub-enterprise class drives, like the RE4. One buddy actually plopped down the money for enterprise drives. No failures as of yet, but it's only a matter of time when you have 5 of them.

At the very least, you could start our with fewer drives, and add more as your budget allows for you to do so. But trust me, do not get the economy/green drives. You will be slamming your head against your desk in a matter of time.

 

[ithorien]

We've all since switched to dual platter 7200 RPM sub-enterprise class drives, like the RE4. One buddy actually plopped down the money for enterprise drives. No failures as of yet, but it's only a matter of time when you have 5 of them.

This right here is the absolute bible of raid arrays. I have two at my other job, and so far 3/5 discs in each array have been replaced, and those are enterprise drives. In my experience, it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'. I have to be thankful it was never 2 drives at the same time.

 

[scogoth]

well, looks like we have a new contender in the mid-range market :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6790-barts-gpu-geforce-gtx-460,2917.html



Looks way better than the 550Ti.

Or not, http://www.anandtech.com/show/4260/amds-radeon-hd-6790-coming-up-short-at-150

 

[Shambles]

This right here is the absolute bible of raid arrays. I have two at my other job, and so far 3/5 discs in each array have been replaced, and those are enterprise drives. In my experience, it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'. I have to be thankful it was never 2 drives at the same time.

Yes. There's no point is spending far more on enterprise drives because they are going eventually fail like everything else. All my storage consists of the 5400/5900 lower power drives which have held together very well and I haven't had a failure in years. I know they'll eventually die but that's ok, that's why I have everything backed up. Heck, my NAS box OS is running on an 8 year old PATA drive that is still trucking away fine.

Also that PSU he has is HUGE overkill. A NAS box is one of the lower power consumption computers you can build. Just buy the cheapest PSU from a reliable brand you can find. Personally I would just spend 60$ on a case with a built in PSU instead of spending a lot of money on a higher end case and a seperate PSU. Your peak power consumption will never go above 100W, even with 6 drives.

 

[Funky Papa]

Some gaffer posted a few days ago a link to a site explaining the best way to apply thermal paste on your CPU depending on the model, but I can't find it. Does anybody have a link?

 

[JWong]

Hmm so the new SSD's aren't worth it? At least it drives down the price of the old ones, right?

 

[vexvegaz]

some of the parts came in for my new build

lite-on dvd burner
msi p67a-gd65
galaxy gtx 570
i7 2600k w/ free shogun 2 via steam
ocz vertex2 120GB
corsair vengeance 8GB
cyborg rat 7

still waiting on:
Tygon R3400 7/16in. ID 15'
Bitspower Shining Silver Rotary 45 with 1/2in. ID Barb
Scythe 120x25mm SlipStream 110 CFM
Bitspower G 1/4in. Silver Shining Stubby Fitting for 1/2in. Tubing
Single Braid 24-pin Power supply extender cable - Sleeved - Black
XSPC 120mm Universal
StealthRes 175 Multi-Option Reservoir
EK Waterblocks EK-FC580 GTX+ - Acetal / Nickel Full Coverage Water Block
EK Waterblocks EK-Supreme HF - Full Nickel - Rev 2
Arctic Silver 5
Custom Laing D5 -Swiftech Bitspower Black Sparkle MCP655 Dress Kit & top w/ Bitspower G1/4 True Silver 1/2 Fitting ID
OCZ ZX series 1250w single 12v rail PSU

 

[Leucrota]

Some gaffer posted a few days ago a link to a site explaining the best way to apply thermal paste on your CPU depending on the model, but I can't find it. Does anybody have a link?

http://www.arcticsilver.com/intel_application_method.html#

 

[Funky Papa]

http://www.arcticsilver.com/intel_application_method.html#

Thank you!

 

[ithorien]

i7 2600k w/ free shogun 2 via steam

What what what?!?

Only for 2600k? Where from?

http://www.arcticsilver.com/intel_application_method.html#

Arctic Silver Thermal Compound Precautions:
1) Don't put it in your mouth.

Aww.

 

[scogoth]

some of the parts came in for my new build

lite-on dvd burner
msi p67a-gd65
galaxy gtx 570
i7 2600k w/ free shogun 2 via steam
ocz vertex2 120GB
corsair vengeance 8GB
cyborg rat 7

still waiting on:
Tygon R3400 7/16in. ID 15'
Bitspower Shining Silver Rotary 45 with 1/2in. ID Barb
Scythe 120x25mm SlipStream 110 CFM
Bitspower G 1/4in. Silver Shining Stubby Fitting for 1/2in. Tubing
Single Braid 24-pin Power supply extender cable - Sleeved - Black
XSPC 120mm Universal
StealthRes 175 Multi-Option Reservoir
EK Waterblocks EK-FC580 GTX+ - Acetal / Nickel Full Coverage Water Block
EK Waterblocks EK-Supreme HF - Full Nickel - Rev 2
Arctic Silver 5
Custom Laing D5 -Swiftech Bitspower Black Sparkle MCP655 Dress Kit & top w/ Bitspower G1/4 True Silver 1/2 Fitting ID
OCZ ZX series 1250w single 12v rail PSU

Curious to know how that PSU works out for you, there a very few review out for it. Why do you need all that power though?

 

[vexvegaz]

What what what?!?

Only for 2600k? Where from?

tigerdirect
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=61285&CatId=6991

 

[vexvegaz]

Curious to know how that PSU works out for you, there a very few review out for it. Why do you need all that power though?

its not so much the total power that i need, the single 104amp 12v rail is what sold me to this PSU. Besides, i dont upgrade much so this will have to hold me for a long while and it should also keep me covered when i pick my second gtx570 for SLi and second water pump.

 

[ithorien]

tigerdirect
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=61285&CatId=6991

Ah, but it's also $330.

 

[vexvegaz]

yah if your looking to get a 2600k, i think microcenter has them for $279

EDIT: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354587 the $279 shows up once added in the cart.

 

[Zimbardo]

just out of curiosity, i'm wondering what you guys would get if you had around $300 to spend on an upgrade:

this ...

OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5IN SATA3 6Gbps Sandforce
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59354&vpn=VTX3-25SAT3-120G&manufacture=OCZ Technology




or this stuff ....
G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2 Sniper SE 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 1.25V Memory Kit
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59978&vpn=F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2&manufacture=G.Skill

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=50895&vpn=WD1002FAEX&manufacture=Western Digital WD

Noctua NH-D14 LGA1155/1156/1366/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ NF-P14 140MM & NF-P12 120MM Fan
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=47090&vpn=NH-D14&manufacture=Noctua



current pc has these key specs:
i5 760 @ stock 2.8ghz with turbo enabled 3.3ghz (stock heatsink/fan)
4gig (2x2gig sticks) ddr3 1333 g.skill ripjaws 7-7-7-21
2 seagate barracuda 7200 rpm 500gig sata2 drives

which upgrade would be better for around $300?

would be nice to overclock that cpu a little. would also be nice to go to 8gig ram ...would be nice to have that 1tb western digi + keep 1 of the seagate 500gig drives.

but it'd also be nice to have the speed of the SSD.

the motherboard supports sata3 btw.

 

[ithorien]

just out of curiosity, i'm wondering what you guys would get if you had around $300 to spend on an upgrade

In my experience lurking this thread, SSD all the way. You already have 4GB of ram, 8GB won't be a drastic improvement. WD drive won't be that much better than what you already have. CPU heatsink will allow for OCing but only if you plan on that route, and you might be better off with the Hyper 212+.

You should watch some youtube videos for comparisons between SSD vs. HDD. I'm quite excited to get my first SSD.

 

[Kyaw]

just out of curiosity, i'm wondering what you guys would get if you had around $300 to spend on an upgrade

I would spend it on a new case probably as i want WC soon and my Antec 300 isnt going to too good for that...

 

[Zimbardo]

I would spend it on a new case probably as i want WC soon and my Antec 300 isnt going to too good for that...

what's WC ? i also have an Antec 300 and things are kinda cramped in there. not a whole lot of elbow room.

maybe the SSD + Hyper 212+ would be the combo to get ...but i kinda really want that Noctua.

i'm thinking that a decent overclock of the cpu + a fast 7200 rpm hdd (faster than the ones i have currently), and 8gig vs 4gig of ram would garner more of a performance increase than just a SSD.

maybe i'm totally wrong tho. i've never seen or used a SSD. never seen 8gig vs 4gig ...and maybe the overclocked cpu wouldn't matter much at this point.

its primarily a gaming pc.

video is 2 sli'd gtx460 1gig msi hawk talon attack cards for gaming on a 24" 1080p lcd.

 

[Kyaw]

Watercooling. CPU isnt that much of a problem since its underneath a TRUE but my 480gtx gets hot even with gigabyte custom coolers and i want to overclock it.

 

[JaseC]

In my experience lurking this thread, SSD all the way. You already have 4GB of ram, 8GB won't be a drastic improvement. WD drive won't be that much better than what you already have. CPU heatsink will allow for OCing but only if you plan on that route, and you might be better off with the Hyper 212+.

You should watch some youtube videos for comparisons between SSD vs. HDD. I'm quite excited to get my first SSD.

My first boot into Windows when I installed it to my recently-purchased SSD blew me away. When the welcome screen came up, I quickly checked my phone and looked at the screen again to find everything was completely loaded. It couldn't have taken more than 3-4 seconds or so.

A real-life "wat." moment.