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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 2. Haswell = #IntelnoTIM, but free online. READ THE OP.

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Dawg

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Not really pc-related but I can't find an answer on the net and most of the tech guys are here.

Basically: I'm very fond of my Samsung Galaxy S3 but I keep thinking there's something wrong with the screen. This is supposed to be a quality phone, but trails on this thing are big and long. Just swiping slowly on forums and you can see a lighter version of any text floating above the original text. Even worse with black colors, especially with spoiler tags on gaf etc. Very long black trail when I swipe around those.

I've thought about the possibility of this being normal but it's a pretty popular phone and I can't find any info about any slow pixel response on this device. It's als weird nobody else has experienced this though... maybe my eyes are just too focused on it?

I don't have a second S3 to test so I can't see if this is normal.
 
GAF, I need help. I have a plethora of PC builds under my belt, but lately I've been having trouble changing my ways and getting away from old tech. And that tech is optical drives. Fuck those things. My last 3 builds have been drive-less, and overall it has been wonderful, except I can't figure out a way to install Windows without one.

I bought an external USB optical drive for drivers, games, whatever - and it works great - but it doesn't ever seem to be bootable. Something about UEFI..... So lately what I've been having to do is temporarily hook up an internal drive, install Windows, then unhook it. Kind of annoying.

What's an easy way to (re)install Windows on a machine without using an optical drive?
 

kharma45

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GAF, I need help. I have a plethora of PC builds under my belt, but lately I've been having trouble changing my ways and getting away from old tech. And that tech is optical drives. Fuck those things. My last 3 builds have been drive-less, and overall it has been wonderful, except I can't figure out a way to install Windows without one.

I bought an external USB optical drive for drivers, games, whatever - and it works great - but it doesn't ever seem to be bootable. Something about UEFI..... So lately what I've been having to do is temporarily hook up an internal drive, install Windows, then unhook it. Kind of annoying.

What's an easy way to (re)install Windows on a machine without using an optical drive?

Can you borrow a USB pen off someone and use it? Or if you have one use it.
 
Hey all. What do you think a good price would be as far as selling this used GPU?

EVGA gtx 670 FTW
Has original box, stickers, manual, extra plastics, etc.
Used, but in amazing condition.
Has been overclocked to about 1300 MHz and stable.

Just wondering because I'm probably looking to sell it on here/craigslist/ebay sometime soon and put the money towards a 770.
 

kharma45

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Hey all. What do you think a good price would be as far as selling this used GPU?

EVGA gtx 670 FTW
Has original box, stickers, manual, extra plastics, etc.
Used, but in amazing condition.
Has been overclocked to about 1300 MHz and stable.

Just wondering because I'm probably looking to sell it on here/craigslist/ebay sometime soon and put the money towards a 770.

770 isn't worth the upgrade, 780 or wait for AMDs new stuff.
 

Azulsky

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If anything, 770/780 will get cheaper as well to compete with AMD.

I hope.

Depends on how much of an upgrade the new AMD stuff is.

7970 Ghz edition is 30% behind the 780 in some titles @ 1440p.

That is a huge jump to make for a non shrink generation.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Depends on how much of an upgrade the new AMD stuff is.

7970 Ghz edition is 30% behind the 780 in some titles @ 1440p.

That is a huge jump to make for a non shrink generation.

30% is barely anything and is typical of minor revs. That's like reducing something like MSAAx8 to MSAAx4.
 

Azulsky

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30% is barely anything and is typical of minor revs. That's like reducing something like MSAAx8 to MSAAx4.

The jump from the GTX600 series to the GTX700 series was between 25-30%.

Like I said I think I expect them to draw equal. Its good for Nvidia anyway, prices need to come down.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Some quick pics of my build before I tore it down.
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Skel1ingt0n

I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Some quick pics of my build before I tore it down.

Absolutely beautiful!!

Pretty much perfect except for that small bend on the bottom pipe - it would drive me nuts since all your other pipes are immaculate.

Why'd you tear it down?
 

mkenyon

Banned
Don't even get me started about that pipe. I had to import a $100 bender with $70 shipping from the UK to get a small enough radius when I do it during the rebuild.

As to why I had to tear it down, blew a cap during over clocking. Mind you, really limited OCing. Only 4.3GHz with 1.35V when it happened. Faulty mobo.
 

Azulsky

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Don't even get me started about that pipe. I had to import a $100 bender with $70 shipping from the UK to get a small enough radius when I do it during the rebuild.

As to why I had to tear it down, blew a cap during over clocking. Mind you, really limited OCing. Only 4.3GHz with 1.35V when it happened. Faulty mobo.

Could you be awesome and share details about the parts for tubing and fittings for that waterloop.

I have been salivating over the hard tubing WC setups over on OCN and I think I may undertake this route when the time comes.
 

Foxyone

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Would mean per stick.

Actually, I just tried looking at pcpartpicker and it shows modules as the total of a set of RAM, so I guess it's actually something like 2x8GB or 4x8GB setups. If 16GB sticks started coming out though, I wouldn't complain :3
 

Azulsky

Member
Actually, I just tried looking at pcpartpicker and it shows modules as the total of a set of RAM, so I guess it's actually something like 2x8GB or 4x8GB setups. If 16GB sticks started coming out though, I wouldn't complain :3

DIMM, Dual Inline Memory Module

Would be safe it assume its per stick
 

Tonezorz

Member
Couple of old school turned new questions:

Do different SATA cables matter? also do the ports matter?
I seem to remember something on my old socket 939 board about Sata 1 and 3 being "together" so they couldn't communicate as fast as say, Sata 1 to 2 could.

Second, is it OK to have other hard drives installed while installing Windows 7 to only 1 of them? I also seem to remember this being an issue with Windows XP.

(Or all of this is elitist nonsense and I could have dreamt it all up)

Thanks!

Edit: For those who are interested, (and who helped!) Here are some pics:

http://imgur.com/a/4Y27L

 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
DDR3 already has some 16GB sticks, but basically only for servers / crazies.
Stacked RAM is the next big thing, which is coming soon-ish
 

mkenyon

Banned
Could you be awesome and share details about the parts for tubing and fittings for that waterloop.

I have been salivating over the hard tubing WC setups over on OCN and I think I may undertake this route when the time comes.
Simple 10mm push fittings. They are available from Performance PC's and Aquatuning. Then 10mm copper pipe too, I get mine from McMasters.
I don't think I could ever do a liquid cooling system like this, too much time maintaining it and worrying that it'll spring a leak.

But the idea of it is awesome.
It's actually about as safe and as easy as it gets. Way less chance of a leak compared to standard stuff. Push fittings do not use O rings and were designed with NASA to prevent what happened to the challenger.

The only tough part is learning to bend in the first place.
 

neoanarch

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Any UK Gaffers need a dirt cheap 60GB SSD? Aria have OCZ Agility recerts for £25. Wouldn't use it for anything important.


Replace it.

Software diagnostics might tell you your drive has a serious issue but it'll then go on to last years. Or the drive is fine but it'll fail again tomorrow.

It's always best to replace mechanical drives at the first sign of trouble (unusual sounds, lengthy access times etc) or after a couple years - whichever comes first.



Thanks, went ahead and did an RMA with Seagate. They'll send me a replacement in 2 days and I can ship back the old one in the same packaging.. Much easier than I expected, which my first instinct was to keep using the old one.
 

Tonezorz

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Strange thing while installing windows tonight, system is all together and working beautifully, except on every couple of restarts. It just doesn't come back up. HDD light flashes like theres activity and its doing something, but no video. Power button shuts down the system with just a press. Restart button fixes it fine. Has happened several times now when restarting for various windows updates or drivers. Not every time however.
 

Tomodachi

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Hi guys. I'm trying to overclock my new 3570K + MSI Z77A-G45 rig and I have a few questions, I'm a total noob but I read the guides in the OP and I think I understood the basics:

- When I set the voltage from the bios there's usually a discrepancy between the value I set (in this example 1.165v), the value shown by the bios (1.156v) and the value displayed by CPU-Z (1.144v). Is this normal? Apparently it's something that comes with the mainboard since an italian review I read says that happened to them as well. Which voltage value is more trustworthy though? The one in the bios or the one in CPU-Z?

- When I set the card in overclock mode I basically lose the cpu throttling feature. I don't mind terribly but I read somewhere that Ivy Bridge's throttling is something you don't want to disable since it's very good and it prolongs the life of the cpu a lot. SpeedStep (EIST) and C1E are both enabled, still I don't see the cpu going back and forth between 1600Mhz and whatever frequency I set with the multiplier. Is this acceptable or I should try to set throttling back in place?

- Even though I set vDrool to 100% the voltage is still very variable, it can usually go in a ±0.008 range as far as I can tell. It this a motherboard's fault?

Thanks!
 

Addnan

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Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
Okay GAF, my 8800 GTX just died, I have $300 to spend, would prefer a Canadian online retailer.

What's the hotness, the GTX 760? Or is the Radeon 79xx (50, 70) a better choice?

Currently eyeballing this: http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=85587&vpn=GV-N760OC-2GD REV2.0&manufacture=Gigabyte
7950 is insane value right now. If you want nVidia get the 760
Strange thing while installing windows tonight, system is all together and working beautifully, except on every couple of restarts. It just doesn't come back up. HDD light flashes like theres activity and its doing something, but no video. Power button shuts down the system with just a press. Restart button fixes it fine. Has happened several times now when restarting for various windows updates or drivers. Not every time however.
Check your temps and shake the case to see if there's anything loose inside causing a short.
Hi guys. I'm trying to overclock my new 3570K + MSI Z77A-G45 rig and I have a few questions, I'm a total noob but I read the guides in the OP and I think I understood the basics:

- When I set the voltage from the bios there's usually a discrepancy between the value I set (in this example 1.165v), the value shown by the bios (1.156v) and the value displayed by CPU-Z (1.144v). Is this normal? Apparently it's something that comes with the mainboard since an italian review I read says that happened to them as well. Which voltage value is more trustworthy though? The one in the bios or the one in CPU-Z?

- When I set the card in overclock mode I basically lose the cpu throttling feature. I don't mind terribly but I read somewhere that Ivy Bridge's throttling is something you don't want to disable since it's very good and it prolongs the life of the cpu a lot. SpeedStep (EIST) and C1E are both enabled, still I don't see the cpu going back and forth between 1600Mhz and whatever frequency I set with the multiplier. Is this acceptable or I should try to set throttling back in place?

- Even though I set vDrool to 100% the voltage is still very variable, it can usually go in a ±0.008 range as far as I can tell. It this a motherboard's fault?

Thanks!
Vdroop is normal and those ranges are fine. It's a protective mechanism for the CPU and your voltage is super low so it's not a concern at all.

Throttling might need some lower power states or more idle time to drop back down, not a big deal.
 

kharma45

Member
Wouldn't buy one of those tbh. Worth extra $ for the Samsungs.

Samsung is an extra $10 which isn't much but the V300 is still a good drive and in day to day stuff you'll not really notice the extra speed. I've been happy with mine over the last 8 months.
 
When using a wireless Xbox 360 controller on a PC, does the controller come with a USB dongle or does the PC automatically connect to it? Or do you need a wired one?

This DS3 driver support looks complicated
 

Addnan

Member
When using a wireless Xbox 360 controller on a PC, does the controller come with a USB dongle or does the PC automatically connect to it? Or do you need a wired one?

This DS3 driver support looks complicated

You need to buy a wireless dongle for a wireless Xbox controller or buy a wired controller. The USB cables does not work with the wireless controller.

Or just follow this guide to getting PS3 controller to work. http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-XInput-Wrapper-for-DS3-and-Play-com-USB-Dual-DS2-Controller
 

Kydd BlaZe

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What is the difference between 2x 4GB (8GB) of ram and just one stick of 8 GB ram? I opted to go with one 8 gb stick of corsair vengeance ram. Did I make a mistake?
 

kharma45

Member
What is the difference between 2x 4GB (8GB) of ram and just one stick of 8 GB ram? I opted to go with one 8 gb stick of corsair vengeance ram. Did I make a mistake?

Better performance with dual channel as it's double the bandwidth. You'll still be fine with one stick though, it's not going to make your PC grind to a halt.
 

Tonezorz

Member
Check your temps and shake the case to see if there's anything loose inside causing a short.

Can't seem to find anything loose, but also can't seem to duplicate the issue. Fantom driver installation woes? Old dying power supply? Guess we'll find out. Thanks for the help.
 

d1rtn4p

Member
Quick question.

I have two Radeon HD 7970s in Crossfire mode. Is there a single card out that would give me commensurate performance or higher? I haven't been happy with the overall stability of running these and I'm thinking of going back to a one card setup, but obviously don't want to sacrifice performance.
 

Dawg

Member
I've been trying to find the cause of blurring on both my Asus VN247H-P and Dell U2312HM and I think I found it.

Both monitors only share one thing and that's the OD (Overdrive) thingy. I'm not exactly sure but "inverse ghosting" seems to be one of the causes of OD as my problem is very similar to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk2cWMkPlG4

A bit similar to this as well: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9955/cimg8032.jpg

I think I'll try a monitor without any overdrive setting at all next, because I have a feeling it probably is the cause.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Quick question.

I have two Radeon HD 7970s in Crossfire mode. Is there a single card out that would give me commensurate performance or higher? I haven't been happy with the overall stability of running these and I'm thinking of going back to a one card setup, but obviously don't want to sacrifice performance.
Depends on the game, as crossfire still suffers from a number of problems where you might be getting worse performance than a single 7970.

The Titan is really the only option, and even then, it's kind of a crapshoot on when the performance will be better or worse.

What are your 7970s clocked at?
 

riflen

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Quick question.

I have two Radeon HD 7970s in Crossfire mode. Is there a single card out that would give me commensurate performance or higher? I haven't been happy with the overall stability of running these and I'm thinking of going back to a one card setup, but obviously don't want to sacrifice performance.

There isn't a single GPU that will do the job right now, although a Titan may get you close in some titles. All other solutions that have comparable performance will still be SLI or Crossfire.

The HD 7990 is two 7970s stapled together on one board with the clock lowered 50Mhz or so I think.
 
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