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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine

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Look at the cardboard case with the R4 hardware. There are large thumb screws (I think 8x?) that have a diagram on them labelled ODD. Those are the screws you want.

Look at the top right where the optical disk drive is secured in this screen:



Notice the 2x bulky thumb screws (2x on each side of the case to secure the ODD in; 4x total per ODD.).

Thanks! Now how do I take that second drive thing off underneath ?

Also where's that post with the cable management? It's been about a year since I built my rig so I'm doing some cleaning
 

Hazaro

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Running a ASUS DCUII GTX 660 right now, could grab a DCUII GTX 760 tomorrow for $250 CAD. Worth the money? I'll probably sell the 660 for $180 to a coworker.

Could get: ASUS GeForce GTX 760 DirectCU II OC 1075MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card

Have: ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU II 1020MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card
Good upgrade if you can sell.
Does anyone have the ASUS Maximus VI Impact Mini ITX board? It's in the build in the OP and I like the looks of it, but interested in hearing if it's really worth the money for the feature or if I should step down a bit and save some money.
The ASUS boards over $200 are all nice. Do you need what it offers? Probably not, but the fancontrol stuff on the Gene is really nice. I think there are $140 ITX builds that are also good.
Does anyone know if reverse airflow cases are a problem? I'm looking at this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112416
Fine as long as you don't stuff $800 of GPU in it. Fine even then, just need better fans.
Thanks! Now how do I take that second drive thing off underneath ?

Also where's that post with the cable management? It's been about a year since I built my rig so I'm doing some cleaning
The DVD cover? Punch it out from the inside.
 

jarosh

Member
uh-oh, I hope you guys can help me out again :'(

As I'd mentioned, I upgraded my heatsink. Bought an Arctic Freezer i30. Installation was a breeze and it took care of my CPU temperature problem. Now sitting at 30°.

However, ever since I installed the new heatsink we have a problem with the electricity going out in the kitchen and the office (where the computer is). Both rooms are on the same circuit breaker. There's no sign of any problem with the computer itself, but on the first night the power went out and I couldn't reset the breaker switch until I unplugged the computer. Everything was fine yesterday, but plugging in and starting the electric kettle in the kitchen today caused another short circuit or overload. It seems that as long as EITHER that kettle or the computer is unplugged, everything's fine. But it also seems obvious that somehow the new heatsink/fan would have to be the cause of this, as we've never had any trouble with the power going out like this before. Also, every time this happens I HAVE to unplug the computer or else the breaker switch can't be reset. But then it all works fine again as long as I leave the kettle in the kitchen unplugged...

The heatsink's fan is plugged into the same CPU FAN slot on the mobo as the old one, so I'd assume it would still draw the same power. It even runs at a much lower rpm than the old fan now. And the heatsink itself shouldn't really affect anything voltage wise anyway, it just absorbs heat and doesn't require electricity.

Does anyone have any idea what might be going on here?
 

fresquito

Member
There are no troubles with the AMD cards themselves. They would be the clear price/performance favorites currently if not for the crazy market inflation going on. But what can you do...? I guess it would be great for gamers if they could take an axe and hack off whatever part does the busywork math without changing anything else. I'm a lawyer, not an engineer, but I am guessing that is not really possible.
The market inflation is caused by this crazy thing going with bitcoins, isn't it? I guess I should wait to see if the bubble bursts and prices go down.
 

Kyne

Member
Hello pc experts. I have come for some advice. With Titanfall coming out soon I wanted to look into upgrading my PC so I can play it at some decent settings (max I guess?) Here is my current rig setup:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6950
RAM: 8GB DDR3

Would it be enough just to upgrade the GPU? or am I going to need to get a new CPU/MB :\ Thanks in advance!
 

kharma45

Member
Hello pc experts. I have come for some advice. With Titanfall coming out soon I wanted to look into upgrading my PC so I can play it at some decent settings (max I guess?) Here is my current rig setup:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6950
RAM: 8GB DDR3

Would it be enough just to upgrade the GPU? or am I going to need to get a new CPU/MB :\ Thanks in advance!

Did you try the beta at all? One thing you could do without spending too much is overclocking your CPU to get the most out of it. GPU wise did you ever try seeing if you could unlock yours into a 6970 and/or overclocking it too?

Just some options before you spend some serious cash on upgrades.
 

soultron

Banned
Thanks! Now how do I take that second drive thing off underneath ?

Look at the reference image I posted again; starting from the bottom HDD slot, notice between the third and fourth slot there's a thumb screw. Unscrew that (there may be one on the other side as well, IIRC) and then the middle HDD cage will slide out towards you in the direction your mobo faces out of the case. It leaves you with 3 HDD slots, a large space for really long GPUs or extra cable management , and then the ODD slots (where you put your BD reader) above.

Hopefully that makes sense.

@jarosh: I'm not an electrician or anything, but is it possible that the new CPU cooler has fluctuations in its power draw (and draws more power than your old cooler), that pushes the circuit in your kitchen over its max rating? Try unplugging some devices in your kitchen like the kettle and see if that works. I believe lots of devices hold electric current even if they're not on but are plugged in.

This is all 100% guesswork on my part, however. I'm probably hilariously incorrect on all of it.
 

Kyne

Member
Did you try the beta at all? One thing you could do without spending too much is overclocking your CPU to get the most out of it. GPU wise did you ever try seeing if you could unlock yours into a 6970 and/or overclocking it too?

Just some options before you spend some serious cash on upgrades.

Yeah, I had to run things on Low/Medium settings so that I'd be able to play smoothly. I'm not too savvy with overclocking/unlocking, any specifics you think I should know before I just google it and hope for the best?
 

kharma45

Member
You'll need a cooler first if you don't have one on your CPU, as the stock AMD cooler won't be able to handle it. A Hyper 212 from the OP is around £/$30 and will do a great job. Not all CPUs can overclock brilliantly, it's a bit of a lottery but with the 965 you're aiming for 4GHz or so and not cross the 55c temperature mark.

Guides like this will help http://www.overclock.net/t/525113/phenom-ii-overclocking-guide

http://www.overclock.net/t/594829/phenom-ii-cpu-northbridge-ram-chart-am2-am3

As for your 6950 not all will unlock but this is some info about it here. It requires BIOS flashing which some people will not be comfortable doing, so if you're not sure on it don't bother http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/159

Overclocking is easier http://www.overclock.net/t/1040014/6950-overclock-settings-what-are-you-running You'll need a program like MSI Afterburner to do it but again not every GPU will OC well. [H] only got 75MHz extra out of theirs http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011...0_2gb_dirt_3_video_card_review/3#.UxHZz4U6p5c
 

Kyne

Member
Cool, I'll try all that and report back. Worse case scenario will I need to upgrade all 3 to get the game running good? (Cpu/mb/gpu)
 

kharma45

Member
Yeah at worst you won't get the performance boost you need. Worth giving it a go, especially on the CPU front as the Hyper 212 you could carry in to a new build if needs be.
 

Rufus

Member
Hello pc experts. I have come for some advice. With Titanfall coming out soon I wanted to look into upgrading my PC so I can play it at some decent settings (max I guess?) Here is my current rig setup:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 6950
RAM: 8GB DDR3

Would it be enough just to upgrade the GPU? or am I going to need to get a new CPU/MB :\ Thanks in advance!
I have the same CPU, only 4GB of RAM and a 280X, which is a bit better 6970, so fairly close to your GPU still. Titanfall ran just fine with everything on high. It's not a very resource intensive game. That said, the one time I tried to put texture resolution on "insane" it got choppy for some reason, but I didn't check what the issue was, exactly.
 

JMPerona

Member
I need help here. I will buy my first computer and I will do it right. I just want an efficient machine that can play most of modern games with high settings and 60fps+ and its future proof for the next few years (3 or 4 years).

This is what I want:


Budget: Around 9000 swedish crowns without monitor
Main Use: Gaming. High settings and good fps. Want it to last at least 4 years more.
Monitor Resolution: 1080p is what I have.
List SPECIFIC games: skyrim, thief, Metro last light + future games at at least 1080p and more than 60fps.

I Will substitute my ps4 for a computer so I dont want to regret it because the computer cant play a game that the ps4 can...

This is what I've been thinking about:

https://www.komplett.se/k/shoplist....60559&su=0CF97655-CDBF-408F-8340-08491221BE6F

Good? Bad? Need help ...
 

Pachimari

Member
Guys, I'm building my very first computer, and I have installed the CPU into the motherboard and mounted the fan.

01) Is it important I use goo between the CPU and fan like they show in the tutorial video?

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02) My RAM don't seem to fit or should I put pressure?

 

kharma45

Member
Guys, I'm building my very first computer, and I have installed the CPU into the motherboard and mounted the fan.

01) Is it important I use goo between the CPU and fan like they show in the tutorial video?



02) My RAM don't seem to fit or should I put pressure?

1. Very. Pea sized amount is all you need though.

2. Are you sure you've got the notches lined up properly? If they are (and you've got the tabs at the side opened which it looks like you have) just push down until they click.
 

Pachimari

Member
1. Very. Pea sized amount is all you need though.

2. Are you sure you've got the notches lined up properly? If they are (and you've got the tabs at the side opened which it looks like you have) just push down until they click.

I got the RAM in, thanks! I were afraid to push it in at first. :)
But should they be in the black ones or grey ones?

Also, I gotta find somewhere to buy goo.
 

kharma45

Member
I got the RAM in, thanks! I were afraid to push it in at first. :)
But should they be in the black ones or grey ones?

Also, I gotta find somewhere to buy goo.

Either both in black or both in grey.

Your Corsair H60 has paste, although it might be pre-applied.

edit - it should be pre-applied and look like this

corsair_h60_016.jpg
 

Pachimari

Member
Oh, thought I were supposed to install the stock cooler that came with the CPU - watched the tutorial again and see I need to glue the Corsiar H60 to the CPU. :) But if it's pre-amplied on the cooler, then I shouldn't need glue right. :)

My motherboard looks like this now - I wonder if the goo will be unusable now?


And I really can't seem to install the Corsair H60. :( In the manual it says I should install this piece onto the back of the motherboard but it doesn't line up with the holes..

 
Oh, thought I were supposed to install the stock cooler that came with the CPU - watched the tutorial again and see I need to glue the Corsiar H60 to the CPU. :) But if it's pre-amplied on the cooler, then I shouldn't need glue right. :)

Glue? You mean thermal paste right?

if you mean actual glue then no

Also the h60 has pre-applied paste so just mount it and go but i'm not sure if it has extra paste (for second/third/etc applications).
 

Pachimari

Member
Glue? You mean thermal paste right?

if you mean actual glue then no

Also the h60 has pre-applied paste so just mount it and go but i'm not sure if it has extra paste (for second/third/etc applications).

Yup, thermal paste.

Also, I suppose I should take off the fan which were pre-installed in the case and replace it with the one that came with my Corsiar H60.

But, I can't seem to mount it on the motherboard like seen on the pictures above. :(
 

Pachimari

Member
So that paste on the CPU in that picture, where did it come from? Is the stuff on the H60 still there untouched? If so then clean the paste off the top of the CPU.

To mount your H60 watch these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO9APx2yKrg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cahueYmH5MM

the paste on the H60 is still untouched. The paste that is on the CPU now came from the stock fan which came with the i5 CPU. I have since removed it that fan.

I'll watch those videos.
 

scogoth

Member
Yup, thermal paste.

Also, I suppose I should take off the fan which were pre-installed in the case and replace it with the one that came with my Corsiar H60.

But, I can't seem to mount it on the motherboard like seen on the pictures above. :(

1) Remove the stock cooler that you mounted
2) Remove the thermal paste that is left on the CPU with at least 60% rubbing alcohol and a clean cloth
3) Read the H60 installation instructions. If you are not sure which socket type you have or which bracket to use post your CPU model here and we will help you
4) Make sure the CPU is clean of all debris and install the H60 bracket according to the installation instructions, there is no need for any extra thermal paste because the H60 has thermal paste already applied to it.
 
I need help

My internet connection on the PC is a joke, literally worse than dial-up at the moment. I bought those TP things which send and recieve an ethernet connection over the powerlines, and they worked, given me a 100Mbps connection instead of the 65 I was getting with the Wireless Network Adaptor, but its still ridiculously slow to do anything internet-related.

A download of less than 1MB took 2 minutes :s
BBC homepage takes more than 5 minutes to fully load
Speedtest crawls slowly
Steam store loads infinitely

Its like Windows is limiting the speed with which it interacts with the bandwidth available to it, and I don't have a clue why it's happening

Think a reinstall may be the only option left short of getting some IT specialist to check the setup himself

If I resinstall Windows, will it wipe the HDD and SSD? Does anyone have any tips to sort this out short of doing that?

Thanks :)
 

scogoth

Member
I need help

My internet connection on the PC is a joke, literally worse than dial-up at the moment. I bought those TP things which send and recieve an ethernet connection over the powerlines, and they worked, given me a 100Mbps connection instead of the 65 I was getting with the Wireless Network Adaptor, but its still ridiculously slow to do anything internet-related.

A download of less than 1MB took 2 minutes :s
BBC homepage takes more than 5 minutes to fully load
Speedtest crawls slowly
Steam store loads infinitely

Its like Windows is limiting the speed with which it interacts with the bandwidth available to it, and I don't have a clue why it's happening

Think a reinstall may be the only option left short of getting some IT specialist to check the setup himself

If I resinstall Windows, will it wipe the HDD and SSD? Does anyone have any tips to sort this out short of doing that?

Thanks :)

Start>Run>cmd
Type in "ping www.bbc.co.uk -t"
And see if you get any dropped packets
If you do try "tracert www.bbc.co.uk"
To see where the issue is

Reinstalling probably won't change anything

EDIT: If at all possible move your computer next to your router and plug it in directly to see if its something related to your Router/ISP rather then the wireless/powerline
 

Sofa King

Member
Couple of questions.

Fired up the new build and installed windows 8.1 Tried to connect to the router and no connection. Noob question: do I need a network card? Mobo has Ethernet port. MSI Z87-G45.

With stock cooler, while I was in the BIOS the cpu just kept getting hotter and hotter. finally backed out once it hit 90 degrees. Is this normal?

Parts
200R
MSI Z87-G45
4670K
8 Gig RAM
240 SSD
EVGA 760 SC 2GB
DVD
550 power supply
 

Bii

Member
Got my GTX780 in! :D

I could probably improve my cable management in the back but I'll hold off on that until I get my HDDs installed. The way I have it now, I just have it bunched up together until the side panel fits over it, haha.

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I'll need to upgrade my monitor (currently using a Samsung 2233SW). I've been looking at the ASUS VG248QE or the QNIX QX2710 and I'm leaning towards the latter.
 

pilferk

Neo Member
Ah from the stock fan. Well clean it off using something like a cotton bud and some sort of white spirit or whatever. It's not too hard to get it off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9MJUuU58vE Just make sure not to get any liquid on the motherboard itself.

Once it's cleaned up you can look to mount the H60

I use a plastic spoon to get any larger bits (GENTLY) and a cotton swab (aka qtip) with a tiny bit of rubbing alcohol to take off the residue. Works like a charm, and th excess rubbing alcohol just evaporates.
 
When do you guys think the right time to buy a new pc is? Should I wait it out till end of the year or next as my pc I still have performs decent still
 

pilferk

Neo Member
Couple of questions.

Fired up the new build and installed windows 8.1 Tried to connect to the router and no connection. Noob question: do I need a network card? Mobo has Ethernet port. MSI Z87-G45.

With stock cooler, while I was in the BIOS the cpu just kept getting hotter and hotter. finally backed out once it hit 90 degrees. Is this normal?

Parts
200R
MSI Z87-G45
4670K
8 Gig RAM
240 SSD
EVGA 760 SC 2GB
DVD
550 power supply

Make sure, after the first clean windows boot ( ie after everthing is installed and you drop to your startup screen, clean) that you install the motherboards drivers off the cd. Likely...the network driver for your mobo isn't or didn't install.
 

kennah

Member
When do you guys think the right time to buy a new pc is? Should I wait it out till end of the year or next as my pc I still have performs decent still
What do you have right now?

There isn't really a right time to buy. Just make sure to research that you aren't about to buy something right before something better comes out.
 
Yup, thermal paste.

Also, I suppose I should take off the fan which were pre-installed in the case and replace it with the one that came with my Corsiar H60.

But, I can't seem to mount it on the motherboard like seen on the pictures above. :(

Oh ok saw the word glue and was like "what?" while imagining its use lol.

Also already answered by the others.

Got my GTX780 in! :D

I could probably improve my cable management in the back but I'll hold off on that until I get my HDDs installed. The way I have it now, I just have it bunched up together until the side panel fits over it, haha.

*sees pic*

it looks fucking great already :O

i wish i could get mine like that, but that will be another build in the future hopefully (R4 definitely would be the next case).
 
Reliability is all that matters. There's no appreciable difference in speed if you don't have a specific task for it that would really use it, like some database work.

As noted, Crucial, Samsung, Kingston, and Plextor are the only four I'd personally buy as they have really solid reputations in terms of reliability. However, almost everything out there is great these days.

Just watch Amazon/Newegg for whatever goes on sale. The Crucial M500s were super cheap the past few days on Newegg, might still be.


ocz went bankrupt?
It feels like yesterday that they were a new brand in town and that they suddenly started selling everything from ram to ssds to power supplies
 

riflen

Member
I'll need to upgrade my monitor (currently using a Samsung 2233SW). I've been looking at the ASUS VG248QE or the QNIX QX2710 and I'm leaning towards the latter.

Be aware that as you have that GPU, you can take advantage of G-Sync displays when they arrive in Q2. I still use a Samsung 2233, I would advise waiting until these new displays are available.
 

Gaz_RB

Member
Guys what's that program that lets you easily move steam games from one harddrive to another?

Also anyone know why my 1TB HDD would only show up as having a capacity of 350 MB?

Edit: figured the second part out, needed to go into disk management and mess around.
 

asdad123

Member
Crossposting this from the BST thread. Might do some more good in this one lol.

Anyone in NJ/NY interested in a mini-ITX gaming PC?

-Silverstone FT-03 mini itx Silver
-SILVERSTONE ST45SF 450W SFX12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
-i7 4770k
-Gigabyte GA-Z87N-WIFI LGA 1150 mini ITX Intel Motehrboard
-Samsung 840 SSD, 500gb
-Slim DVD Drive
-EVGA GTX680 2gb with Warranty until 3/2015
-Seidon 120m CPU Cooler
-8gb Kingston ram (2x4gb)
-Windows 8.1 Professional

I'm thinking $900. Not looking to part out at the moment, and am looking for a local pickup in the NY/NJ area. I'm located in bergen county nj.

I didn't even play one game on this since I built it. Looking to get a laptop (macbook retina) instead.



 

onionfrog

Member
I built my first PC this weekend! (sans video card) Aside from figuring out where to place the stand offs and getting the mobo mounted it wasn't too bad.It's really simple as long as you read the manuals.

Parts:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor: ($181.98)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi B85S3+ Ver. 6.x Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($59.99)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99)
Storage: Repurposed 250GB Laptop Hard Drives x2 ($0.00)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.99)
Total: ~$367.94

Still need to get
-Video Card
-Windows 7 License. (Going to try for the $20 reddit keys)

Pics (Forgive my horrendous "cable management", I'm going to try to clean it up when I get a video card.)
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I'm surprised at how well it can emulate PS2 and Gamecube games using only the integrated graphics!
I'm going to buy a used 2GB Radeon 7850 for $120 later this week. That should be good enough for me for a while, my current monitor isn't even 1080p.
In the meantime, Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition runs smoothly enough at 720p on medium settings without a graphics card.

I'm planning on getting a 2 or 3TB drive for storage later on and maybe an SSD when I can afford it.

Anyways, thanks to everyone in this thread for their help! I'm enjoying the PC a lot already.Its so much better than buying prebuilt and its really not that hard to assemble a PC yourself!

I'm going to bookmark this. It'll be useful when I upgrade to a larger hard drive.
 
I don't think its adding the number together, it's just that speedfan doesn't really support Haswell. It says 128 for me as well when I tested it.
 
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