I mean, its a bit hard to say based on what you said, but if its artifacting while running at stock speeds, then its defective and you need to RMA it.
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I mean, its a bit hard to say based on what you said, but if its artifacting while running at stock speeds, then its defective and you need to RMA it.
InFamousRaiden
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Thanks, dam even though expensive ..PC gaming is awesome.
Since i have had my PC set up in the last month I been treating it like my baby.
Corsair 600T is like my high school car... I am trying to pimp it out!
InFamousRaiden
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One more question for the experts,
why are Motherboard manufacturers not making SLI/DUAL CPU boards ? get another processors in the same motherboard seems ideal however is it due to money ?
or a stupid question ?
why are Motherboard manufacturers not making SLI/DUAL CPU boards ? get another processors in the same motherboard seems ideal however is it due to money ?
or a stupid question ?
Here is my current setup and feel like I am getting really bad performance for the hardware I have. What would be a good benchmark to use to see if it's just my imagination and if not, where the problem might be?
- CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell OC'd 4.2GHz Quad-Core
- Motherboard: ASUS Maximus VI Hero LGA 1150 Intel Z87
- Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133
- GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 DUAL SuperClocked 4GB
- PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 80PLUS Platinum 1000W
- Case: NZXT H630 Matte Black Ultra Tower Silent Case
- Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H110 Extreme Performance
- HDD 1: Intel 530 Series 2.5" 180GB SATA III
- HDD 2: Western Digital Black 1TB 7200 RPM
- HDD 3: Seagate 4TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
- Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Ultimate 2013
- Mouse: Logitech G700 Wireless Mouse
- Display: Dell 23" 2312HM IPS Flat Panel
- Headset: Corsair Vengeance 2000 Wireless
Yeah, that definitely sounds like its defective.
AMD has its own Shadowplay thingie now, and it works pretty well.
The artifacts are either related to VRM/Memory getting too hot, or not enough voltage. If you don't want to RMA, try either scaling back memory, increasing memory voltage, or increasing fan speed.
They do, they're just for Xeons.
Intel has basically three "main" products per major release. Consumer socket (1150), which has dual channel memory, some overclockable CPUs, and things like on-die GPUs. Enthusiast socket (2011), which has quad channel memory, overclockable CPUs, 40 PCI-E lanes, and six-core parts. Then there's the Server socket (2011 variant) which supports Xeons and all sorts of stuff that I don't know about.
In jargon terms, you'd see it listed as Haswell (consumer), Haswell-E (enthusiast), and Haswell-EP (server).
There's no benefit in gaming for dual CPUs though.
Firestrike.
For multi CPU setups (for Intel atleast) you need to use the Xeon series CPUs because they have dual QPI Links so the CPUs can talk to each other. And since gaming is not bottlnecked by CPUs on mos games, and games that do like CPU horsepower tend to be single threaded games, so multi CPUs wouldnt help. And just like SLI/Xfire GPUs you need the program to be able to take advantage of the multiple CPUs. If devs can barely be bothered to utilise 4 cores, why would they start using 20 cores all of a sudden? Next up is cost, motherboard costs and the Xeon tax are high, its not worth it for the performance gained. You can use Server boards for multi CPU & GPU setups, but its expensive. Basically the dual CPU market doesnt appeal to desktop users, just server users where the expandability can be taken advantage of.
Unigene Valley benchmark is quick and easy.
And don't forget you can't even OC Xeons anymore. The SR-2 is still sought after for this reason.
Yeah, this too, I am just far less familiar with how the scores lay out as I don't run it myself all that often.
I currently own a Crucial M4 128GB SSD and I now am in the process of upgrading my rig. Back in the day when I just bought the SSD, people would say I should not install game on it, because it would actually slow them, is this true? If not, I'm inclined to replace my current SSD with a bigger one.
Are the new ones faster than my M4? I also heard someone say there was a new generation of SSDs coming that everybody should wait for. Does anybody know anything about this?
Thanks in advance!
Are the new ones faster than my M4? I also heard someone say there was a new generation of SSDs coming that everybody should wait for. Does anybody know anything about this?
Thanks in advance!
Nice, congrats! What CPU and what is the ambient temperature of the room if you don't mind me asking
The new i7 4790k, and you mean the room temp? 24-25, super hot in the summer here.
now the fan has a horrible whine/ringing sound (like a screw is coming loose) when the fan is at 100% T_T
Azzurri
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I see. It's a cooltek made case.
was just trying to test if there's anything else wrong with the card..
really have half the mind to return the card and change to nVidia...
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?43057-R9-280x-DirectCU-II-Top-Artifacts!!/page47
- the amount of problems with this card... is
Yeah, that's right on the money.
Having second thoughts on the CaseLabs?
The firestrike score looks just about perfect for the setup. My 3570K 4.5 with 770 scores just below it. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/1935247
Yeah, that's right on the money.
Having second thoughts on the CaseLabs?
Ok, thank you very much. I plan on upgrading my GPU to an Nvidia 800 series later this when (if) they are announced. I am still kicking myself for not going with a better gaming CPU instead of the cheaper i7-4770k but it does well enough. Thanks again for a great community and the support/advice.
I'm getting these two fun errors on my system
My MB has switches where I can individually shut off the PCIe lanes and its been a big help here. Instead of taking each card out I can move the 4 switches in any combination to try the cards.
With that said I've used display driver uninstaller and have moved between the latest whql and beta drivers. Still get a hard freeze in BF4 with one of the above messages.
I've tried single, double, and triple cards in various combinations and it doesn't matter. I've tried upping the voltage in Precison X. Doesn't matter. Tried a Heaven run earlier with only one card active and it didn't finish. Screen started flickering and I got the second error message above. Then it said heaven.exe has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware.
Wtf
This is trying me...
Only other thing I could think of is PSU...but its 1300w and I'm not getting a PC shutdown when it locks up like I did in my previous setup. And those are specifically NVIDIA errors.
Trouble always finds me :l
Ev said:
My MB has switches where I can individually shut off the PCIe lanes and its been a big help here. Instead of taking each card out I can move the 4 switches in any combination to try the cards.
With that said I've used display driver uninstaller and have moved between the latest whql and beta drivers. Still get a hard freeze in BF4 with one of the above messages.
I've tried single, double, and triple cards in various combinations and it doesn't matter. I've tried upping the voltage in Precison X. Doesn't matter. Tried a Heaven run earlier with only one card active and it didn't finish. Screen started flickering and I got the second error message above. Then it said heaven.exe has been blocked from accessing graphics hardware.
Wtf
This is trying me...
Only other thing I could think of is PSU...but its 1300w and I'm not getting a PC shutdown when it locks up like I did in my previous setup. And those are specifically NVIDIA errors.
Trouble always finds me :l
There is no better CPU than the 4770K, not consumer level anyway.
Wanna make sure I'm getting what you're saying.
Price difference between $300-350 Haswell-E CPU + mobo versus 4790K + PLX mobo?
I think the least expensive Z97 board with a PLX chip is the ASUS Z97-WS, which is a great board. The big question mark is the price of DDR4 versus DDR3.
If you're asking about getting a cheap motherboard for Haswell-E, I'd imagine they will probably start at around $225-250 for the basic ones, which will support x16/x16/x8 out of the box, because that's what the chips do.
*edit*
And to clarify, the PCI-E controller is on die. If a board supported x16/x16/x8 for Haswell-E, all that means is that the PCI-E traces are on the board. I don't think they'll go out of their way to make a board with less traces for the ~$350 SKU.
Guess I'll be keeping this. PC Power and Cooling support is awesome. All I did was send them an email asking if I could purchase a set of cables and ask how much they were, and they replied to me saying they're mailing me out a whole set for free.
Ah well that's good to hear, plenty of case space left so that shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for the info!
Edit: My system from Scan was delivered today and so far all seems well, finally finishing setup and installing stuff. The one thing that has me slightly puzzled is this in MSI Afterburner:
The card (MSI GTX 780) was pre-overclocked, but should the fan speed be set manually like that rather than on Auto? What happens if I'm playing a particularly demanding game and the card for some reason needs over 65% fan speed to keep cool? Will it increase automatically, or should I get rid of that manual fan speed setting and set it to Auto?
Haha, I just built my first gaming PC in about eight years three months ago. I am so happy with it (not just performance but everything about how the build turned out - the way it looks, cable management, how quiet it is) and already have a huge selection of awesome games thanks to the summer sales but I already want to build a new one!
I am going to try my best to hold off until next year at the earliest but I really just want to go all out, money is no object, crazy, awesome, totally custom gaming PC. Lol, this is so addicting!
An X99 board with a PLX chip is what I was thinking. Basically, a way to run 2x16 with the $350 SKU.
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Might as well post here too; concerning downsampling:
I find this interesting. Still want to know:
1. To all people that apply downsampling: Do you use it in all of your games?
2. Is it better to have no "normal ingame" AA options enabled, while still downsampling to the max? Or is it better that all of the ingame AA is maxed out first and then AFTER that see how far you can downsample?
3. Will this make my GPU run hotter? Basically, is it dangerous for any part of my PC?
4. Would OC'ing my GPU be beneficial?
5. How does downsampling rate in the "OCD forever tweaking" field? Can you basically tweak endlessy forever to get it running at an acceptable fps or are there just hard boundaries where either you can make it fps-wise, or you just can't.
6. Do you apply one resolution for all of your games or does every game have their own custom resolution?
7. Would it be that by downsampling The Witcher 2 I could get it to look better than The Witcher 3 (theoretically wise)?
8. Could you downsample a game like The Witcher 3 at launch or would that just melt our computer?
I find this interesting. Still want to know:
1. To all people that apply downsampling: Do you use it in all of your games?
2. Is it better to have no "normal ingame" AA options enabled, while still downsampling to the max? Or is it better that all of the ingame AA is maxed out first and then AFTER that see how far you can downsample?
3. Will this make my GPU run hotter? Basically, is it dangerous for any part of my PC?
4. Would OC'ing my GPU be beneficial?
5. How does downsampling rate in the "OCD forever tweaking" field? Can you basically tweak endlessy forever to get it running at an acceptable fps or are there just hard boundaries where either you can make it fps-wise, or you just can't.
6. Do you apply one resolution for all of your games or does every game have their own custom resolution?
7. Would it be that by downsampling The Witcher 2 I could get it to look better than The Witcher 3 (theoretically wise)?
8. Could you downsample a game like The Witcher 3 at launch or would that just melt our computer?
Better gaming CPU than the 4770K/4790K? What.
First of all its not magic. So keeping that in mind...
1. I'm fine with MSAA, but I'm sure some can't live without it (and I use an AMD card where it's not as easy/impossible, so...)
2. You might be satisfied with downsampling alone. Try it out.
3. Everything that taxes your GPU more will make it run hotter, so yes. Will it blow up? No. It's a common option that doesn't override any of the built in safety features of your hardware, such as downclocking or even turning themselves off because of thermal issues.
4. OC'ing your GPU is always beneficial for GPU heavy tasks, yes.
5. Different games tax your GPU differently, so you'd have to apply different degress of downsampling to get them to run at acceptable framerates. The rest depends on how much time you feel like wasting.
6. See above. Ideally/usually it's a multiple of your monitor's native resolution, so there's a baseline at least.
7. No. Downsampling is for IQ only. Reducing jaggies and moiré effects won't suddenly give you better shaders or more detailed models and geometry or higher resolution textures.
8. I'm sure Smokey's setup (Tri-SLI 780Ti or Titan Black, I forget. Insanity, either way.) could effortlessly tinker with downsampling but until the game's out we won't know who else can too.
Azzurri
Gold Member
Yeah, that's right on the money.
Having second thoughts on the CaseLabs?
Lol, I don't know if I want to spend 100 more.
You're going to spend it and you're going to like it.
systematic
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Jonsbo is the OEM of the Legacy W1. Cooltek and Rosewill are the official distributors of Jonsbo cases in Europe and the US, respectively.
Jonsbo is also the OEM for Fractal Design's Define and Nanoxia's Deep Silence range.
Here's Bill Owen's review on the W1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKwSEXVJlw0&list=UUcnCXoB2dRjaTKkcd3l517Q
But dude. If you're ploppin down the money on a 295x2, I know you'll enjoy the CaseLabs S3.
Those will probably be $450-500. Though, I wouldn't really worry about full bandwidth on PCI-E 3.0 for a bit.
InFamousRaiden
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Hey guys, my PC score on 3DMark is following;
FIRE STRIKE EXTREME
Add to compare
GRAPHICS DRIVER IS NOT APPROVED
SCORE 4811 with AMD Radeon R9 290X(1x) and Intel Core i7-4770K
Graphics Score 5020
Physics Score 12166
Combined Score 2169
is that good ? The only thing I notice is that it reports RAM running at
GENERAL
Operating system 64-bit Windows 7 (6.1.7601)
Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MAXIMUS VI FORMULA
Memory 16,384 MB
Module 1 8,192 MB G.Skill DDR3 @ 667 MHz
Module 2 8,192 MB G.Skill DDR3 @ 667 MHz
Hard drive model 2,000 GB WDC WD2003FZEX-00Z4SA0 ATA Device
The Rams should be running @ 2400 Mhz
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3554039?
FIRE STRIKE EXTREME
Add to compare
GRAPHICS DRIVER IS NOT APPROVED
SCORE 4811 with AMD Radeon R9 290X(1x) and Intel Core i7-4770K
Graphics Score 5020
Physics Score 12166
Combined Score 2169
is that good ? The only thing I notice is that it reports RAM running at
GENERAL
Operating system 64-bit Windows 7 (6.1.7601)
Motherboard ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. MAXIMUS VI FORMULA
Memory 16,384 MB
Module 1 8,192 MB G.Skill DDR3 @ 667 MHz
Module 2 8,192 MB G.Skill DDR3 @ 667 MHz
Hard drive model 2,000 GB WDC WD2003FZEX-00Z4SA0 ATA Device
The Rams should be running @ 2400 Mhz
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3554039?
You need to manually set the speed of RAM. If you buy 2400MHz RAM, that just means it's binned to be able to run at that speed. The memory controller is on the processor. Anything over 1333 (default speed) is technically an overclock. Enable XMP Profile.
Right now it's running at 1333 (667x2 = 1333)
Run the non-extreme version of Firestrike. There's probably a website out there that runs extreme, but I'm not familiar with it.
Right now it's running at 1333 (667x2 = 1333)
Run the non-extreme version of Firestrike. There's probably a website out there that runs extreme, but I'm not familiar with it.
Ah well that's good to hear, plenty of case space left so that shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for the info!
Edit: My system from Scan was delivered today and so far all seems well, finally finishing setup and installing stuff. The one thing that has me slightly puzzled is this in MSI Afterburner:
The card (MSI GTX 780) was pre-overclocked, but should the fan speed be set manually like that rather than on Auto? What happens if I'm playing a particularly demanding game and the card for some reason needs over 65% fan speed to keep cool? Will it increase automatically, or should I get rid of that manual fan speed setting and set it to Auto?
This is weird. It doesn't look like they've set a custom fan profile either. Can you check this page?
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/01.htm
•Your Current Specs: i7 860 / 8GB / Asus P7P55D-E / EVGA GTX 780 3GB ACX SC / Silverstone ST75FP PSU / 500 GB HDD
•Budget: $1800 - US
•Main Use: 5 - Gaming / 2 - General Use
•Monitor Resolution: 1080p, but I plan on upgrading to a 1440p monitor sometime down the road. Just not now.
•List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Witcher 3 (Surprise!), 60fps, PhsyX is a "nice to have" but not a major priority
•Looking to reuse any parts?: I'll be reusing the GTX 780. Everything else will stay in the current PC for light use sometime down the road.
•When will you build?: No deadline, but soonish.
•Will you be overclocking?: Yes
Parts List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WymFbv
CPU: - i7 4790k
Cooler: Corsair H105
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VII Hero
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Storage: Samsung 840 500GB SSD / WD Black 3 TB HDD
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX
PSU: Corsair AX760 (What's the difference between this and the 760i?)
GPU: Using my existing GTX 780
Thoughts? Kind of curious if the cpu cooler will fit in the case. Since I'm not planning on getting a GPU I budgeted a little more in other areas than I normally would have.
•Budget: $1800 - US
•Main Use: 5 - Gaming / 2 - General Use
•Monitor Resolution: 1080p, but I plan on upgrading to a 1440p monitor sometime down the road. Just not now.
•List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Witcher 3 (Surprise!), 60fps, PhsyX is a "nice to have" but not a major priority
•Looking to reuse any parts?: I'll be reusing the GTX 780. Everything else will stay in the current PC for light use sometime down the road.
•When will you build?: No deadline, but soonish.
•Will you be overclocking?: Yes
Parts List: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WymFbv
CPU: - i7 4790k
Cooler: Corsair H105
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VII Hero
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Storage: Samsung 840 500GB SSD / WD Black 3 TB HDD
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX
PSU: Corsair AX760 (What's the difference between this and the 760i?)
GPU: Using my existing GTX 780
Thoughts? Kind of curious if the cpu cooler will fit in the case. Since I'm not planning on getting a GPU I budgeted a little more in other areas than I normally would have.
Here's Bill Owen's review on the W1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKwSEXVJlw0&list=UUcnCXoB2dRjaTKkcd3l517Q
But dude. If you're ploppin down the money on a 295x2, I know you'll enjoy the CaseLabs S3.
Those will probably be $450-500. Though, I wouldn't really worry about full bandwidth on PCI-E 3.0 for a bit.
My worry is that with HBM (supposedly available now) and other incoming technologies, I'll have to worry about it before I replace this CPU in 2-4 years.
Sounds like I should just go with the $500 SKU and a cheaper motherboard though. I'll bet there's some binning going on to that might allow for better overclocks.
You could cut the fat in this build and pay for a 1440p monitor. The PC Partpicker link is broken, but here's something similar:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($25.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($212.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Creative Labs Z PCIe 24-bit 96 KHz Sound Card ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1136.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
$700 gets you within spitting distance of the RoG Swift for G-Sync 144Hz 1440p goodness.
Gotcha.
My best advice for now would be to wait and see then. Perhaps those earlier rumors are totally untrue.
Hmm, going to that page, the "Enable user defined automatic software fan control" box is unchecked, so there's no graph underneath.
The full Afterburner settings panel looks like this, if it's any help:
Interesting, I'll have to keep that in mind. I just wish the ROG Swift wasn't a tn panel. Thanks.
I think 3dmark just reports the SPD on your memory. Use cpuz to check actual speed. I'm more familiar with the non extreme fire strike scores but your score looks pretty good to me.
Nope. If it's unchecked, then there's no custom fan profile. Custom let's you chose the RPM at particular temperatures.
Default is usually Auto, where the GPU's built in firmware decides fan RPM based on temperatures. It seems they've set a fixed 65% fan speed, which is a bad decision. My advice would be to hit auto and let the GPU run the show itself.
You can always email scan and explain the situation. They should advise you considering they built it.
Thanks, I saved Scan's settings with the constant 65% speed as profile 1, and made a second profile, using the same settings except for enabling Auto fan speed - I saved that as profile 2.
As soon as I did that, the fan speed dropped from 65% to 34%, and I can barely hear anything now, the PC is a lot more silent (not that it wasn't quiet before!).
I'll ask Scan about it tomorrow and see what they say - as you said a constant 65% would seem a bad choice, as I assume the GPU won't go higher than that even if on auto control it would do?
Thanks for all your help with this.
Could do best of both worlds with that budget still.
Get a BenQ XL2411Z (120/144Hz strobing goodness), and then something like the Nixeus Vue 27" 1440p which is a PLS (IPS style). $700 for both.
You understand correctly. The temp would just climb until the GPU was forced to lower its clock speed and voltage to maintain sensible temperatures (and crippling performance at the same time). Must be a mistake on Scan's part.
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