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IGN rumour: PS4 to have '2 GPUs' - one APU based + one discrete
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In 2012, yes, that might be fine. Do you really think that by the middle of PS4's lifespan people won't be wishing they added more vram? Games will get better and require more resources, 1GB of vram will prove to be a bottleneck at some point (which is always the case with gaming, but the question is if it will come to soon).
nelsonroyale
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No thanks at that crap GPU.......
R_thanatos
Member
woah , another rumour ?
We need them all to come true , so we have a skynet in the end ..and then ...and then ....
We need them all to come true , so we have a skynet in the end ..and then ...and then ....
Of course games won't be 1080p, 720p is more cinematic!
clutch.as.it.gets.
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One thing to keep in mind, if this is what's being reported, this is only targets for whatever version of kits are out at current. Be prepared for a GPU part heavily divorced/customized from this (baseline) for straight gaming purposes.
brain_stew also brings something interesting to light.
brain_stew also brings something interesting to light.
Projectjustice
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PS4 and Xbox Next specs are sounding pretty underwhelming. Looks like Wii U wont be that left behind as a lot of folks think it will be. This could be another PS2, Xbox and GCN generation. 3 major consoles with comparable specs.
Yeah yeah, I remember people saying the same thing about PS3's main memory, and then a couple years later everyone was wishing they at least put another 256-512MB in. That's all I'm saying; what seems more than practical now may prove to look like an oversight in just a couple short years.
They're probably describing development hardware. There's no way that any console will have a literal desktop GPU in there anyway.
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The Everyman
lol, ive had enough of the low power rumors. im calling a gtx 680 level card for the next gen, come at me
lol talk about ignorance. Do you even read gaming news? A couple of devs saying that WiiU is bellow PS360, some on par, some sligthyl better. In short WiiU is current gen console.
No matter what you think of nexbox and PS4 if rumors are true, they are still going to be next gen devices, unlike wiiU. Of course in therms of power.
If the target was SI, though, why not...just put a SI in there? It's not something they have to try and emulate.
I also dunno why they just wouldn't go with a vanilla Kaveri if this was the performance target - that would be a much simpler, and probably ultimately cheaper route to the same or better performance as these two together.
If this is true (speaking of relative performance of the next-gen consoles), then it might be closer than PS2/GCN/Xbox.
So we have gone from Wii U being 2-4x as powerful as Xbox 360 to it being less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 to PS4 being more powerful than Xbox 720 to PS4 being much less powerful than Xbox 720 to PS4 being about as powerful as Xbox 720.
Got it.
Got it.
brain_stew
Member
A VLIW5 GPU like the one included in this APU isn't going to be well suited to GPGPU code. The 7670 isn't a SI/GCN GPU either, it's VLIW4 based, that just doesn't add up for me.
Projectjustice
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Ignorance? Yea lets talk about ignorance. For every dev that says that Wii U specs are below ps360, i can find you a dev that says otherwise. Dont try and throw the ignorance crap at me when all you seem to be doing is selective reading.
then I recommend you reread entire comment, not just first sentence.
Well then I encourage them to make more PC exclusive games.
If they do fine with the shitty specs of the current consoles then they'll do fine with these specs.
It's this or it's a $500 console.
Projectjustice
Banned
Go play Crisis 2 on your 7670. Ignorance is bliss.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
This almost sounds like AMD had tons of 6670 parts they wanted to get rid of, so they sold them to Sony and MS for peanuts. 
(I know that's not how it works)
Watch out arrogant cynics, our eyes might fall out from so much power blasted into them!
Also, if I'm reading that Anand's review right, framerate goes down in most games when crossfire is enabled between the two?
(I know that's not how it works)Yeah, was it whole 2 times more powerful? It was so long ago it's hard to remember
Watch out arrogant cynics, our eyes might fall out from so much power blasted into them!Also, if I'm reading that Anand's review right, framerate goes down in most games when crossfire is enabled between the two?
Projectjustice
Banned
This is what Im thinking. Lets see how things turn out.
Since we still know little to nothing about the GPU of the Wii U, I don't know what to take of these anonymous rumors. Literally, some are saying it's weaker than current-gen, some are saying it's on-par with current-gen, and some are saying that it's noticeably greater than current-gen. You really can't just pick out what you are hoping for or what you just simply "think" is the most likely scenario. I'd wait until E3.
Going off of the early rumors of the Wii U being based off of a RV700 card, this could range from a 4830 to a 4870. Even at the level of a 4830, a 6670/7670 is not very different aside from being able to dish out more performance at higher resolutions and better AA (I'm expecting a standard of 720p next-gen, according to these rumors).
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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So giving the PS4 8GB of main ram and 2-4GB of vram is going to make it $500? Really?
RAM is so cheap today it's ridiculous... might as well take advantage.
And if it uses a desktop x64 quad core chip there's no way it's going to be anywhere close to $500 unless they put 64GB of DDR5 in. With the amount of money they'd save by going with AMD, they can more than likely afford to put more/faster memory in.
Chittagong
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2.5 TERAFLOPS
LET'S GO
LET'S GO
brain_stew
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If they are then the 7670 makes no sense either. It's a modern product yet based on an older architecture. A dev kit based on a 7670 would be a recently produced piece of hardware, if a change in development hardware happened so recently then why not switch to a SI GPU at that point?
Heck, the 7670 is just a rebadged 6670 for all intents and purposes, why would a rebadged card ever be used in a dev kit?
kidfresh718
Member
Its just rumors why are yall taking so seriously like its concrete info lol.
Actually, if this rumor is true and early Wii U rumors are true, Wii U and PS4 would be nearly indistinguishable in term of power.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
the APU alone would deliver a better experience than current-gen consoles. IIRC, the APU kicks the shit out of the 360+GPU.
With the 7670, im sure it'll operate fast enough in crossfire to at least run something along the lines of Samaritan, or you can use the 6550HD to run PhysX or AI Scripts.
My question is whether the APU will be enough to 'emulate' Cell.
With the 7670, im sure it'll operate fast enough in crossfire to at least run something along the lines of Samaritan, or you can use the 6550HD to run PhysX or AI Scripts.
My question is whether the APU will be enough to 'emulate' Cell.
If this card is selling for 70-80 usd for the consumers. Then it must cost much much less for Sony/MS to purchase them. And how much will it cost year and a half from now?
What was the buying price for RSX and Xenon back in the day, anyone knows how much Sony/MS were paying?
I have hard time believing it will hold for 7 or more years...
What was the buying price for RSX and Xenon back in the day, anyone knows how much Sony/MS were paying?
I have hard time believing it will hold for 7 or more years...
Joke post?
Right on spot.
Anyway, this is really getting ridiculous. Sony can't go with such a configuration just because... well, because it just sucks. They have to do better than that. :/
LOL no
LOL no
captscience
Member
Would it make sense if the lesser gpu were used to drive the display of a tablet controller?
*shudder
What's the closes SI GPU to a 6670 in performance?
They would have my money on day one. Let me play my steam library, my PSN library and have a 4k bluray player (dont even need PS3 disc BC).
A playstation partnered steambox would be a knockout machine.
Sadly I think Microsoft will beat Sony to the punch with Steam integration.
brain_stew
Member
Because there are legitamite leaks out there. It helps to weed out the implausible ones. IGN have some legitamite sources but the frustrating thing is that they themselves are completely clueless when it comes to hardware and unable to weed out the trash, so they end up publishing a lot of rubbish while often breaking exclusives.
Yes.
Console RAM is very different from PC RAM dude. Did you really think that they'd push 8gb of B-brand $49 RAM sticks in the PS4 and go with it?
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
There is no SI chip available that isn't way more powerful than the Turks chip yet. If this is the first of targets they have, they have to match the power somehow. The GPU could be replaced whenever smaller SI chips are available, just like that Xbox Next GPU.
Just trying to explain how this could be true. IGN had a pretty good track record in being factually correct (but piss-poor in reporting) last generation.
Why not? They're basically using the same kind of AMD APU you can find on newegg for $179 with slightly better graphics. Next gen consoles are basically looking like mini PC's at this point.
And no, I don't think they're just going to pop in memory sticks ordered from your favorite retailer. Just trying to make the case that RAM in general is cheap these days, even higher performance stuff compared to a few years ago; with all the money they'll be saving by using an inexpensive x64 CPU, I'm sure they can absorb the cost of a decent amount of high performance memory without jacking up the price to PS3 launch day madness.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Better that than having them both enabled in crossfire, so they make the game run slower than the dedicated GPU alone (I'm still not sure if I'm reading Anad's charts correctly on this, because it's bewildering if true)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/6
*edit* Nope, I'm not wrong, text confirms it. Drop seems to happen in DX9 games only though.
-Pyromaniac-
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So how long until Epic and whatnot start complaining. Or will they start backtracking on what they expect first. Because this isn't as big as they had hoped I'm figuring from some of the posts actually dropping knowledge? Unless I'm reading wrong.
Proelite
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More like < 1.5 teraflops right now.