The 7670 isn't a SI GPU, sorry that doesn't stack up for me.
first week of junetoo... many... rumours...
When's E3 this year?
There is no SI chip available that isn't way more powerful than the Turks chip yet. If this is the first of targets they have, they have to match the power somehow. The GPU could be replaced whenever smaller SI chips are available, just like that Xbox Next GPU.
Just trying to explain how this could be true. IGN had a pretty good track record in being factually correct (but piss-poor in reporting) last generation.
So how long until Epic and whatnot start complaining. Or will they start backtracking on what they expect first. Because this isn't as big as they had hoped I'm figuring from some of the posts actually dropping knowledge? Unless I'm reading wrong.
So giving the PS4 8GB of main ram and 2-4GB of vram is going to make it $500? Really?
RAM is so cheap today it's ridiculous... might as well take advantage.
And if it uses a desktop x64 quad core chip there's no way it's going to be anywhere close to $500 unless they put 64GB of DDR5 in. With the amount of money they'd save by going with AMD, they can more than likely afford to put more/faster memory in.
What's the closes SI GPU to a 6670 in performance?
There should be at a minimum 4GB of main memory for next-gen consoles.DICE may already have complained to Sony. DICE said 2GB RAM is not enough for the next-gen consoles and it's looking likely that the PS4 will only have 2GB RAM.
Yes, if you see my post after that, I took that into account. The APU is going to be so cheap that it should be able to more than offset a good amount of higher performance memory at faster speeds.Seriously? Are you really linking to off the shelf ddr3 from newegg when referencing console ram?
Embedded gddr3 gddr5 xdr xdr 2 etc are not the same thing, and the prices are NOT analogous.
The actual chips may be cheap (but not Newegg cheap, you don't want that stuff in your console), but you can't just glue them into the case. They need to be soldered on, have wires attached to them, take up space and cooling, be addressed by a memory controller in the CPU and so on.Why not?
Many people associate "Southern Islands" with the 7xxx series, even though most 7xxx cards actually use Northern Islands GPUs.hmm kotaku said it was a Southern Island gpu....
ill just wait final specs.
Riiiiiidge racer!
Since we still know little to nothing about the GPU of the Wii U, I don't know what to take of these anonymous rumors. Literally, some are saying it's weaker than current-gen, some are saying it's on-par with current-gen, and some are saying that it's noticeably greater than current-gen. You really can't just pick out what you are hoping for or what you just simply "think" is the most likely scenario. I'd wait until E3.
Going off of the early rumors of the Wii U being based off of a RV700 card, this could range from a 4830 to a 4870. Even at the level of a 4830, a 6670/7670 is not very different aside from being able to dish out more performance at higher resolutions and better AA (I'm expecting a standard of 720p next-gen, according to these rumors).
This would be rather underwhelming, really. One can forget about 4K altogether and real FullHD would be at least as challenging for devs as HD is now, or even worse.Hopefully not true.
Not necessarily. Assuming these rumors are even true (and set in stone) ... this is only listing what consumer products the system will be based on. There's nothing stopping them from going with a unified memory architecture.I guess PS4 will have another GB of RAM, giving the system 2GB and a split pool once again.
UPDATE: For further clarification, the chips being used in the PlayStation 4 are based on the off-the-shelf parts detailed above and are being custom tooled for the console. Exact specs may vary.
I'm not bringing up newegg as a means to say Sony should just pop in two DDR3 memory modules and be done with it; I'm saying RAM is cheaper than it was a few years ago, and combined with the fact that the APU is going to be very inexpensive, that should more than offset the cost of a decent amount of high performance memory.The actual chips may be cheap (but not Newegg cheap, you don't want that stuff in your console), but you can't just glue them into the case. They need to be soldered on, have wires attached to them, take up space and cooling, be addressed by a memory controller in the CPU and so on.
RAM in consoles is expensive. Don't bring up Newegg again for this stuff, please.
Its not just the price, its board complexity. Unless they are using 3d stacking your talking about an incredibly complex board in comparison just to get to 4 GB. That drives up the cost as well.There should be at a minimum 4GB of main memory for next-gen consoles.
Yes, if you see my post after that, I took that into account. The APU is going to be so cheap that it should be able to more than offset a good amount of higher performance memory at faster speeds.
They would have my money on day one. Let me play my steam library, my PSN library and have a 4k bluray player (dont even need PS3 disc BC).
A playstation partnered steambox would be a knockout machine.
Sadly I think Microsoft will beat Sony to the punch with Steam integration.
lol, ive had enough of the low power rumors. im calling a gtx 680 level card for the next gen, come at me
This sucks. I expect more from Sony/MS and nothing in latest Epic/Crytek interviews suggest it will be like this.
Would be cool to have another generation with two consoles being neck and neck throughout.
So getting the board to support 4GB of RAM is going to make PS4 $500-600 as some people suggest...? I don't really buy that.Its not just the price, its board complexity. Unless they are using 3d stacking your talking about an incredibly complex board in comparison just to get to 4 GB. That drives up the cost as well.
Im guessing 2gb baseline for all the next gen consoles, with Nintendo maybe doing some kind of esoteric shit again with a smaller amount of stupid fast ram because they like to be different. ( I kid I kid... sorta..)
Big part of it would be the ability to run Open CL well on it, which is the kind of stuff Cell SPUs are used for anyway, bu the AMD approach there would be far friendlier and easier. For the general computing, the four core 3850 should be far better than the crummy main core that's in CellLlano A8-3850 is a budget cpu that isn't that great. In fact it's pretty terrible compared to Core i7, i5, or even Phenom II. I guess Cell is faster than that stuff. So big WTF....
That was a complained aimed probably against MS and Sony both. It makes so much financial sense for them use 2GB of RAM in their machines right now.DICE may already have complained to Sony. DICE said 2GB RAM is not enough for the next-gen consoles and it's looking likely that the PS4 will only have 2GB RAM.
Would be cool to have another generation with two consoles being neck and neck throughout.
The systems need to be affordable and shouldn't set your house on fire, though.Sure, but not this weak...
Yeah yeah, I remember people saying the same thing about PS3's main memory, and then a couple years later everyone was wishing they at least put another 256-512MB in. That's all I'm saying; what seems more than practical now may prove to look like an oversight in just a couple short years.
So getting the board to support 4GB of RAM is going to make PS4 $500-600 as some people suggest...? I don't really buy that.
Go into next gen with what seems like a reasonable amount (i.e. 8-16GB main, 2-4GB VRAM)
So how long until Epic and whatnot start complaining. Or will they start backtracking on what they expect first. Because this isn't as big as they had hoped I'm figuring from some of the posts actually dropping knowledge? Unless I'm reading wrong.
$250-300 seems reasonable. There's a lot of ways to make the money back these days. And it's more than likely not going to be like PS3 where Sony was losing hundreds of dollars on every console sold.Nah sorry, didn't mean to imply that it would be super expensive, but it would definately be more complex and your looking at increased cost from that.
With these specs I could see a $350-$399 launch price, although it should be lower then that.
Isn't Portal 2 Steam compatible on the PS3 and not the 360?
They can still do that with a ~2 teraflop GPU.The systems need to be affordable and shouldn't set your house on fire, though.
They might be trying to approach a future APU performance, but yeah, the architecture doesn't fit that purpose as you said. Maybe they are talking about a down-clocked 7700's?No SI GPU's will ever be that weak. Apart from some future APUs perhaps.
Ignorance? Yea lets talk about ignorance. For every dev that says that Wii U specs are below ps360, i can find you a dev that says otherwise. Dont try and throw the ignorance crap at me when all you seem to be doing is selective reading.
That's too long! I can't take all this speculation!first week of june
64 Gamecubes, 6 rolls of duct tape. Approximately.Equivalent to how many gamecubes?
And a tube of Gorilla Glue.64 Gamecubes, 6 rolls of duct tape. Approximately.
There should be at a minimum 4GB of main memory for next-gen consoles.
I think they talk a lot of shit (devs and ign).You think Epic is getting it's info on next gen hardware from IGN?
Does this mean it'll run Crysis?
So getting the board to support 4GB of RAM is going to make PS4 $500-600 as some people suggest...? I don't really buy that.