Does this guy recycle his articles or something?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268166
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=268166
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IGN: "[Wii] runs a distant second to 360 in annual profits"
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Infernal Monkey
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newelly87 said:
Don't be fooled by the URL, this is American (even though it reads just like a typical shitty IGN AU article).
Souldriver
Member
Oh god :lolfreddy said:
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Solidifying your tag I see.RagnarokX said:
The Librarian
Banned
This was going to be a sarcastic response in which I was going to pretend to agree with the article in the OP, but then I decided against it.
the thoroughbred
Member
He did end on a positive note.
Maybe some of it was sarcasm towards Pachters bul shit.
Maybe some of it was sarcasm towards Pachters bul shit.
The Librarian
Banned
Don't try to play this off, Rus McLaughlin. We know it's you.legend166 said:
boiled goose
good with gravy
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
Truly frightening... :S
Wow.
Wow.
Truly frightening... :S
Oh IGN Australia.
Remember this thread from January? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348976
IGN actually got banned for a little while over it.
Remember this thread from January? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348976
IGN actually got banned for a little while over it.
AppleBlade
Member
To say Sega Bombed 3 times in a row with House of the Dead: Overkill, Madworld, and the Conduit I think is hyperbole. I mean House of the Dead: Overkill has already turned a profit and Conduit not only turned a profit but has done fairly solid.
I think a lot of these guys ignore the fact that development costs are a lot lower on the Wii. Most PS3/360 game would lose several million dollars if a mid-profile game sold the way House of the Dead did, but on the Wii it is profitable.
I think a lot of these guys ignore the fact that development costs are a lot lower on the Wii. Most PS3/360 game would lose several million dollars if a mid-profile game sold the way House of the Dead did, but on the Wii it is profitable.
GrotesqueBeauty
Banned
Yeah, and it came off as a futile attempt to prove he's not a fanboy.the thoroughbred said:
Look guys, I ended with a few obligatory lines blowing smoke up the Wii's ass. Fair and balanced! You can't call me out on the buggery that was the first 85% of the article now!
The Faceless Master
Member
freddy said:
it's not plagiarism if you recycle your own article, right?
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Because he spent the first few paragraphs pulling out the old troll arguments. You can't start a good Queen Elizabeth article by calling her a whore. Then he let's loose with this one:hamchan said:
He calls 52 million units at this time in the lifecycle 'not good enough'. He never quantifies or directly addresses the difference between Nintendo producing software and it's rivals. I thought MS retreated behind the goal post of 'most 3rd party software' a long time ago. If they leaped frogged Nintendo for total software sold each month, then it would have shirley been news. Am I missing something or did he just dismiss 1st party Nintendo software sales, which, shirley, are more profitable than an equal number of 3rd party titles? And he pulled out the old argument of selling more expensive equipement for more revenue as an indicator that Nintendo is somehow losing. Revenue doesn't matter if you're losing money hand over fist.
So, this article is more schizo than Nintendo by starting with shit, than giving us unsubstantiated opinion, followed up with a few positive thoughts still unsubstantiated by anything reasonable.
Aside: Redsteel 2 is really the best 3rd party hardcore title available that he could think of? Really? RE4Wii isn't at the top of your list? Giving people a great game with markedly improved controls? No wonder devs can't get it right. They dev for this industry 24/7 and this guy covers this industry and they still have no fuckin clue what dedicated gamers want out of the Wii. Look at the controller. Improve the controlling experience. I don't need new or inventive or revolutionary every single time. Give me a solid performance, similar to 360/PS3. Give me regular Dead Space. I accept the graphics won't be the same. Or the AI won't be the same. But I've seen all the 'power' you put into the AI and it still involves a bug crawling directly toward me after I shot it's legs off. I'm not fooled. The overwhelming majority of the extra effort is visual and I'm over that. Give me similar and not gimped or re-imagined and give it to me day and date as the others. I don't necessarily care about online.
It's not merely the journalist's job to just give an opinion. He has to do more. Than again, these are not journalists. What you have noticed is just informed members dismissing his piece as nothing more than a glorified forum post.
ShinobiFist
Banned
Is it really that bad? Like, Joy "to the" stiq bad, or worse than that?RandomVince said:
Holy shit, aren't you a reactionary lot. Aside from the whole one-off "Nintendo fans are a third-party-cautious lot" comment, nothing about what he wrote was wrong in what is clearly an editorial. Stop harping on the knee-jerk things that offend you to the soul and concentrate on the talking points. Sorry, legend166, but you've failed as an OP:
I cringe when I see some of the stuff that goes up on IGN sometimes, but I'm not a full-time employee and I can point and laugh with the rest of you, but... seriously?
-He said the casual market is attached to Wii Fit/Play and consistently reward Nintendo with sales month after month. There was absolutely no link to it being why the system sells.
-He said the system doesn't sell hardcore software on the level of first-party, all-encompassing (or "casual" if you want to be that blind) titles, and he is absolutely right. He also specifically called out the "failure" of Wii Music as a multi-million seller to be a clear example of the fallacy of even Nintendo software somehow doing "poorly" when the poor PS3 is struggling to hit a million copies sold on some of their first-party efforts.
-He said the hardcore games sell like shit compared to the monolithic first-party efforts. He also mentioned that the hardcore efforts from Nintendo themselves sell like shit compared to their casual-friendly titles. He is correct. Though his lack of luv for HotD: Overkill makes me sad. The Conduit can eat a dick, but the other two games he mentioned are awesome and deserved better sales.
-He mentions that exact contradiction and makes a point of it being a crossover title in the article, what the hell, man? Re-read it not for bolds but for comprehension.
-The entire point of the article was that Nintendo is in a rare place to serve both segments of their fanbase: the classic hardcore that ask for multiple games a year (yes, please) and those that will happily just buy the casual Fit/Play/Resort stuff and keep those games selling on legs no title has ever enjoyed in the past aside from perhaps some first-party DS stuff and Monster Hunter in Japan.
Did you link to a different article or something?
I cringe when I see some of the stuff that goes up on IGN sometimes, but I'm not a full-time employee and I can point and laugh with the rest of you, but... seriously?
-He said the casual market is attached to Wii Fit/Play and consistently reward Nintendo with sales month after month. There was absolutely no link to it being why the system sells.
-He said the system doesn't sell hardcore software on the level of first-party, all-encompassing (or "casual" if you want to be that blind) titles, and he is absolutely right. He also specifically called out the "failure" of Wii Music as a multi-million seller to be a clear example of the fallacy of even Nintendo software somehow doing "poorly" when the poor PS3 is struggling to hit a million copies sold on some of their first-party efforts.
-He said the hardcore games sell like shit compared to the monolithic first-party efforts. He also mentioned that the hardcore efforts from Nintendo themselves sell like shit compared to their casual-friendly titles. He is correct. Though his lack of luv for HotD: Overkill makes me sad. The Conduit can eat a dick, but the other two games he mentioned are awesome and deserved better sales.
-He mentions that exact contradiction and makes a point of it being a crossover title in the article, what the hell, man? Re-read it not for bolds but for comprehension.
-The entire point of the article was that Nintendo is in a rare place to serve both segments of their fanbase: the classic hardcore that ask for multiple games a year (yes, please) and those that will happily just buy the casual Fit/Play/Resort stuff and keep those games selling on legs no title has ever enjoyed in the past aside from perhaps some first-party DS stuff and Monster Hunter in Japan.
Did you link to a different article or something?
EmCeeGramr
Member
yeah conduit should have sold well, not house of the dead
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Azelover said:
An article on, say, Mass Effect 2 or God of War III or Mario Galaxy 2 (even just a speculation "what we wanna see" shitfest) would garner 50 if not 100 times more hits than this article ever will on the local site -- to say nothing of the differences between AU/US/UK. IGN isn't desperate for any kind of traffic; it's not a fucking blog, and even if it was, this kind of thing wouldn't make a lick o' difference. Try again.
EmCeeGramr said:
Gonna hug ya if I ever see you. Just sayin'.
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TheChewyWaffles
Member
Denial is a sad, sad sight.
The OP's arguments are filled with flaws (52 million not enough, etc) however he does make some valid points as well. I will say this: Myself and maybe 7 of my friends have all had Wii's since launch. None of us have turned them on, nor have even our girlfriends turned them on, since the launch of Mario Kart. Even then, my GF played that for just a couple days.
Everyone I know with a Wii simply does not play it. No one even turns it on, let alone buys any new games for it. Granted, we're all core gamers who play on XBL every night.
Our GFs could be described as casuals, however. Like the OP said, we have Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart all sitting on my entertainment center gathering dust. Oh and Zelda too, cause I picked it up used.
Anyways, Wii is still megapopular and that's great. I may even try this Conduit game he takled about. And I'm going to get Tiger Woods 10 cause I played it at a friend's house (he has three kids under 6) and I actually really enjoyed it. But Nintendo's $250 console is feature-barren and performance challenged compared to PS3 and 360, and now that Microsoft and Sony have acheived price parity with Wii (just about) Nintendo has to consider either dropping its price or kicking out some MAD GAMES to get those 50 million people buying software.
Everyone I know with a Wii simply does not play it. No one even turns it on, let alone buys any new games for it. Granted, we're all core gamers who play on XBL every night.
Our GFs could be described as casuals, however. Like the OP said, we have Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart all sitting on my entertainment center gathering dust. Oh and Zelda too, cause I picked it up used.
Anyways, Wii is still megapopular and that's great. I may even try this Conduit game he takled about. And I'm going to get Tiger Woods 10 cause I played it at a friend's house (he has three kids under 6) and I actually really enjoyed it. But Nintendo's $250 console is feature-barren and performance challenged compared to PS3 and 360, and now that Microsoft and Sony have acheived price parity with Wii (just about) Nintendo has to consider either dropping its price or kicking out some MAD GAMES to get those 50 million people buying software.
Shikashi said:
It was IGN. IGNorant sluts, actually. There were shirts made. For the company. Did I just blow your mind?
I fucking give up. This thread isn't interested in discussion. Thanks for being thread 23940809284 that counter-balances all the awesome that was in the unfortunately-titled "Do games 'journalists' hate the Wii?" thread.
Nope, editorial folks just hate you and get off on seeing reactions like this.
Souldriver
Member
I don't know what it is, but this post just made me smirk. Probably because of all the stereotyping and "anecdotal evidence". I also like the irrelevant "he has three kids under 6" comment. However, I'm not that dense to deny that the Wii has an image (and game library ?) problem with a certain demographic.PaNaMa said:
You are the best examples ever of the Wii user base and your condition stands as the best example of Wii users as a whole.PaNaMa said:
(stop being silly)
Ever since summer of 2008, no major Wii games have come out, up until Wii Sports Resort this year. Of course your girlfriends won't use it if there aren't any games to use it with, when they're mostly playing it with you or by themselves.
Souldriver
Member
What do you want people to say to an article like this? "Well he does have some points?"SamBishop said:
I could write an "article" that only consists of "THE PS3 SUX THE PS3 SUX THE PS3 SUX" and somewhere in the middle I say that "there is a new slim PS3 coming for a price of 299$ that will probably spur sales", and you'd have to say that "I do have a point".
I think it's more than fair to call a journalist out on article that is pretty blatant fanboyism. And as I already stated, even if you consider it an editorial, you still have to use correct numbers and facts, which he doesn't.