It says 2003 for the release date and starts the paragraph off talking about FE7. I have a feeling that whoever is doing the layout/images for the web piece has never played a Fire Emblem game and just Googled the title for a picture.
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IGN's Top 100 RPGs of All Time
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It says 2003 for the release date and starts the paragraph off talking about FE7. I have a feeling that whoever is doing the layout/images for the web piece has never played a Fire Emblem game and just Googled the title for a picture.
DecoReturns
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Hmm strange I'm on mobile so can't see it since their site just doesn't like to load on my phone.
Would be strange for them to put SD or FE 1. Especially over Awakening
They could be referring to the first one, Peer Schneider of IGN is a big fan.
Hadn't actually seen the article lol so I'm wrong here.
Jade Empire above Witcher 2 is major issue for me. It is one of my least favorite Bioware games while Witcher 2 is a game I consider to be probably better that than Witcher 3.
Waiting to see where the Kotor games rank along side FFVI. Chrono trigger should be interesting to see too.
Waiting to see where the Kotor games rank along side FFVI. Chrono trigger should be interesting to see too.
BRSxIgnition
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Don't usually agree with IGN, but seeing Persona 3 beat Persona 5 by such a narrow margin seems right. It's better, but Persona 5 did improve on 3&4 in certain ways.
DecoReturns
Member
Oh hey. Final Fantasy IV is really high up.
That's cool. It's my favorite Final Fantasy.
That's cool. It's my favorite Final Fantasy.
sir_bumble_bee
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It mentions the GBA, and while the description sounds pretty vague, FE7 is basically the cooky-cutter game of the franchise (which is why people love it)
You would be surprised. I played Chrono Trigger for the first time last year and it blew me away. Felt more modern than most JRPGs and it came out in 1995.
EDIT: Missed the PC designation.
What kind of post is this? Good games are good games man.
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
That's 20 years ago when they understood how to make 2d art. Anything older is essentially cave man art.
Edit: not just the actual art and graphics but also in terms of game design. No ultima (aside from that first mmo) or wizardry belong on this list.
Imp the Dimp
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Witcher 3 wasn't even the best RPG released that year
This isn't for GotY last year, but RPGs of all time.
Things are fine for now but it'll be a bloodbath later, especially when they reveal Oblivion is the #1 RPG of all time.
Vincent Grayson
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But how many old games were good by some kind of timeless/universal standard rather than simply being good because they were new and different at the time?
Having played RPGs for a long goddamn time, I'd easily argue that a lot of the older ones in fact don't hold up. Their writing often was lackluster, they offered little in the way of compelling music, characters, story, etc. And even the gameplay wasn't any special in the context of modern games.
This isn't universally true, of course. But I can't imagine wanting to sit down and play an old Ultima or Wizardry game today. Or most of the old D&D titles pre-Baldur's Gate. Last time I ventured down that road, my nostalgia did not emerge intact.
If we are going by how good games are now, there's no way FF IV should be anywhere near the top 20. The other SNES titles at least have interesting gameplay/game systems.
Expecting a bloodbath when Witcher 3 is placed, especially if it's above Dark Souls. Already salt about the game a post above yours lol.
Like every other Top 100 ever made, I just take everything from 20-100 as suggestions with no particular order because any ranking at that point is going to be extremely arbitrary. (not that the top 10 isn't also going to be, but at least it's much easier to quantify and properly assess each position)
Which games are random?
I figure Jade Empire is obligated to be on that list, just because they gave it a 9.9.
cartman414
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Diablo shouldn't be represented in the top 10 if you ask me. While I do respect the character progression, the actual gameplay is IMO too threadbare even if enjoyable. The genre's Dynasty Warriors if you will, though some would say that's not a bad thing.
The Last One
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I bet that's not the logic they're following. VII should be top 10 at least imo.
lol I remember that. I was so hyped for it at the time.
Still I wouldn't mind Bioware giving it another go. I think the game concept is great they just need to do a better job with the execution.
Other RPGs wish they have the loot generation Diablo 2 has.
Stiler
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....Play Planescape Torment or Baldurs Gate 2.
The story and characters will topple about any new rpg these days.
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
Those aren't 30 years old and I've already clarified what games I'm referring to. Also those games are a chore to play, update your journal my man!
Edit: Thank you to whoever gave me the custom title, it's the truth.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
yeah pretty much i never finished the game but i believe that game changed so much,
should be at least in the top 10 .
Yes now I'm intrigued.
I'm guessing Mass Effect 2 will be too high for my liking. But it also looks like Baldur's Gate 2 and Witcher 3 will be very high on the list, which I approve of.
I think we're gearing up for a Top 10 looking like
Witcher 3
Baldur's Gate 2
World of Warcraft
Deus Ex
Fallout 3
Mass Effect 2
Suikoden (1 or 2)
Zelda Ocarina of Time
Zelda BoTW
Icewind Dale
I am curious whether we will see 2 things happen
1) the inclusion of Horizon Zero Dawn in the top 20 (they gave it a 93, far more than many other games in their top 100 by far), or will ignore it entirely. Either way, it'll be controversial imo (was. Expecting it in the 50-60 range tbh)
2) If they will include somewhat forgotten classics that changed the rpg history on pc, such as Dungeon Master, Ultima Underworld, or the Westwood games such as Eye of the Beholder or specially Lands of Lore
Witcher 3
Baldur's Gate 2
World of Warcraft
Deus Ex
Fallout 3
Mass Effect 2
Suikoden (1 or 2)
Zelda Ocarina of Time
Zelda BoTW
Icewind Dale
I am curious whether we will see 2 things happen
1) the inclusion of Horizon Zero Dawn in the top 20 (they gave it a 93, far more than many other games in their top 100 by far), or will ignore it entirely. Either way, it'll be controversial imo (was. Expecting it in the 50-60 range tbh)
2) If they will include somewhat forgotten classics that changed the rpg history on pc, such as Dungeon Master, Ultima Underworld, or the Westwood games such as Eye of the Beholder or specially Lands of Lore
Ocarina of Time won't be on the list. Breath of the Wild may be on there, but I am expecting it to not be defined as an RPG either. The IGN page for BotW calls it an open world adventure game.
take it all back
Morrowind's higher too
IGN you geniuses
but Skyrim higher than New Vegas???? take it all back, IGN is shit again
Darkstorne
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Can anyone here tell me that they had more freedom of exploration and player agency in BG or Mass Effect than in Skyrim?
This is why lists like this should never be taken seriously. There are so many different ways to weight your preferences, and no opinion is wrong.
FFIV doesn't play itself so there's no way it could be worse than FFXII. You must have a better FFXII in the world where you're from. FFIV also doesn't have the loading time and excruciatingly slow battles that IX has, so it's a given that it's better than IX.
This is true. Except that Fallout is a better game than Fallout 3. Fact.
I like FFIV, but yeah. FFIV's story loses me pretty hard after Cecil becomes a Paladin.
This is true. I can actually back up this fact with another fact: My own opinion that Fallout is a better game than Fallout 3.
Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=235754158&postcount=851