No it isn't. It's IGN's RPG fans being big fans of Legend of Dragoon that led to its placement, beating out many games you prefer more (oops I meant 'superior' games).
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IGN's Top 100 RPGs of All Time
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No it isn't. It's IGN's RPG fans being big fans of Legend of Dragoon that led to its placement, beating out many games you prefer more (oops I meant 'superior' games).
It's nice to see some refreshing, no-nonsense honesty. I mean I disagree a lot (a lot, a lot) with the overall list, but it's clear the main goal was sharing your passion for RPGs and putting that passion into a tangible form. Like, I can immediately tell you guys had a lot of fun with it, in spite of the arguing.
But ya'll need to play more Shin Megumi games. And the Trails series.
Thats fine i dont understand the reverence and adoration both off those games have, XII has always been on the mediocre camp to me, or more in the its good but not really that special, and while the battle system in XII is pretty good the rest around that game is rather forgetable, and while i consider VI an awesome FF, i dont consider it top 1 or 2 greatest of all time and have other FFs and RPGs in higher regard
still seems to me like a pretty hipster choice since it became fine to hate on VII because of its popularity, or more of a lets not pick the obvious choice thats already been on thousands of others top rpgs lists just because
Oh it's not preference. They ARE better games but you wouldn't know since you've never played LoD.
Either way, you aren't going to answer with anything other than It's someone's favourite so there's not much to discuss here.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean what more is there to discuss?
You like a game more than some other dudes.
Rivetting.
It has nothing to do with what I like or don't. I asked why a game like LoD ranked so high and my response was basically because some people on the crew liked it enough to get on and I thought there would be more to how these games were decided to get listed.
I mean we're talking about a gaming sites rankings, not someone's post.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
I have disagreements but overall it's a very fair list. And considering xcom wasn't on it I won't have to make fun of it for the rest of the year.
Edit: If ys counts then nier should count too. Nier automata is pretty recent but if pokemon sun and moon can make the list I don't see the reason why not. Although personally I know I'm cheating, i've considered nier an action game series but...... Emil tho.
Edit: If ys counts then nier should count too. Nier automata is pretty recent but if pokemon sun and moon can make the list I don't see the reason why not. Although personally I know I'm cheating, i've considered nier an action game series but...... Emil tho.
That top 10/20 is legit.
Am I allowed to say that?
I feel like these sorts of threads are always about tearing these lists down.
Goddamn I wouldn't expect IGN to nail it like that.
I mean, Dark Souls could be higher, but I really can't argue with any of that list from 20 up.
Am I allowed to say that?
I feel like these sorts of threads are always about tearing these lists down.
Goddamn I wouldn't expect IGN to nail it like that.
I mean, Dark Souls could be higher, but I really can't argue with any of that list from 20 up.
Seiken Densetsu 3 could take Secret of Mana's spot, but the omission is understandable.
Bring that shit over, SE.
WickedLaharl
Member
Breath of Fire Dragon quarter should be on that list.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
List is actually pretty decent, specifically the top 20.
Final Fantasy IV is way too high and Final Fantasy 7 is too low though. They should at the very least trade spots.
Final Fantasy IV is way too high and Final Fantasy 7 is too low though. They should at the very least trade spots.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Having listened to podcasts where such lists are made let me just say that there really isn't that much more to it.
Thats fair. I'm not trying to be as aggressive as I'm coming off but the previous rank list from IGN and GD's comments about people's complaints don't really match with how he's responding in defense of a game like LoD but I suppose he hasn't played it so eh.
Evil Monkey DTT
Banned
To be fair, while I know historically it came out I really doubt many of the people working at IGN could get a copy.
texhnolyze
Banned
Dark Souls 2 and 3 am cry.
It's common knowledge that these two aren't as good as other Souls games. But I never imagine that they're this bad.
It's common knowledge that these two aren't as good as other Souls games. But I never imagine that they're this bad.
HerroRygar
Member
Agreed!
Still my favorite game of all time. Great choice, hard to find people who would get mad about it.
Yeah. I think it's one of the best turn/round based battle systems in a JRPG.
AntiFacebook
Member
Chrono trigger at number one? It's an ok game, but wtf?
Maybe it's because I'm well into adulthood at this point and my personal friends don't talk about games this way or feel the need to try and discredit them with meaningless labels, but whenever I see someone use the word 'overrated' to describe a game, especially for an enormously popular and beloved game like VII, everything else that comes after gets tuned out. Kind of embarrassing for the gaming press, to be honest.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I'm actually curious about why people keep asking for smtiv.
I like it a lot but don't consider it the best smt.
I like it a lot but don't consider it the best smt.
AntiFacebook
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It's better than the persona games, that's for sure
I've always wondered what people see in JRPG stories. They all seem so similar, and the writing so surface-level and melodramatic. I've only played a few FF games (7,9,10), but everything just seems so bland and generic to me.
Is is the translation that makes them like this? I'm not trying to talk down on these games, as a lot of people clearly love them. I just really want to know what makes them special in terms of story and writing. Anything I should play to see the light?
Is is the translation that makes them like this? I'm not trying to talk down on these games, as a lot of people clearly love them. I just really want to know what makes them special in terms of story and writing. Anything I should play to see the light?
TatteredHat
Member
I just noticed that Terranigma is not even on this list, therefor it is disqualified. Seiken Densetsu 3 isn't either, missing some key players from the SNES era here.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You've played one series and think the writing of all jrpgs are so similar.
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CW level writing and story telling. There are very few traditional JRPGs that are adult oriented or where characters are actual adults. I found Xenogears to touch on some interesting themes and deal with the world in a fairly mature way. Vagrant Story is also good. Obviously the Souls games are on point but they are not what I would consider traditional turn base JRPGs. CT is one of my favorite games all time so give that a whirl.
EDIT: totally forgot about about Nier.
To the list's credit, they did rightfully recognize DQ V as the best DQ entry and even placed it relatively high (I mean, I don't expect to see DQ anywhere near the top 20 or 10 in western outlets, so 33 is as good as it gets). Now they just need more people on staff to play III.
There's no way in hell that one is ever getting any sort of mainstream recognition. Maybe in something like "overlooked gen 6 gems" or "best rpgs you never played" (and even that's stretching it) but not top 100 of all time. It's way too niche and Capcom is never going to rerelease it. I'm already grateful enough it has a cult following on GAF.
There's no way in hell that one is ever getting any sort of mainstream recognition. Maybe in something like "overlooked gen 6 gems" or "best rpgs you never played" (and even that's stretching it) but not top 100 of all time. It's way too niche and Capcom is never going to rerelease it. I'm already grateful enough it has a cult following on GAF.
This post is embarrassing.
NoblesseOblige
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As a Role-Playing purist I don't particularly agree with the number of JRPGs included. But it ain't my list so it's cool. At least they hit on some the best real RPGs in the top 10 with things like Torment and BG2.
He stated they ranked VII the way they did because they feel it's overrated. XII is judged on the merits of its battle system and world. VII is judged on it's 'overratedness'. Which has absolutely zero to do with the game itself. Sorry, but how is that not embarrassing?
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I enjoy JRPGs but mostly because they're easily approachable and often mechanically fun in their systems. But yeah, the story and characters tend to be ridiculous and overdone. And the inability to make meaningful character choices makes me have a hard time considering them Role-Playing games. I'd personally rate a game like Vampire - Bloodlines, even with its jank and bugs, over any JRPG I've played simply because it's a more true Role-Playing experience.
TheJollyCorner
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NoblesseOblige
Banned
It did, but there's like 2 dozen JRPGs ahead of it and I'm just like ehhh...
It's whatever though. I give up trying to make people understand what Role-Playing means. 'RPG' seems to basically just means 'games with levels/XP' these days.
... at least Zelda isn't in it.
Trigonometrize.
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He didn't really say that. The group ranked FFVII where they did because they think it belongs there off the merits of what it is, and where they rank it reflects the fact that they think it's overrated. Personally, I think using "overrated," especially for a game like Final Fantasy VII which has been the target of a "well, it's not actually that good" campaign for the past 20 years, is still dumb as fuck and says nothing.
No, I definitely agree. It's a weird game for me. I definitely think it belongs on any top 100 RPG list and I absolutely adored it the first time I played it, but nowadays I just can't get into it. I don't think I've gotten further than maybe 10 hours in once in the past 5 years.
I think CT is arguably the best edited JRPG. The game basically has little to no filler. So you end up with a well rounded and complete package. It might not be the best at any one thing but it does a lot of things extremely well.
Yes, that is true. No filler, but also with multiple endings and some choices, especially with a SNES rpg is pretty great. The music is great and helps set the atmosphere of the game. It definitely is one of those games where they hit it out of the ballpark.
eot
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You have two dragon age games in your top 10. What are you doing?