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Buggy Loop
Member
Btw, frame generation to just target 60 fps? That's not really the good range where frame gen performs. Wtf.
I have a 3080 Ti, that list is basically saying that Path tracing even with low settings, at 1080p, I'm already dead. (or 30 fps, might as well be dead).
Insane
I hope they fucked up the list, they are rarely representative.
Right now, either Alex Battaglia is wanking to path tracing goodness or making a 2h video on how performances are bad. Or both.
I have a 3080 Ti, that list is basically saying that Path tracing even with low settings, at 1080p, I'm already dead. (or 30 fps, might as well be dead).
Insane
I hope they fucked up the list, they are rarely representative.
Right now, either Alex Battaglia is wanking to path tracing goodness or making a 2h video on how performances are bad. Or both.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
So my 9700k is not enough? Wow, lets see.
ssringo
Member
I have a high end PC that should be able to come close to max according to their specs. But I think I'll wait and see what kind of performance others are getting. I'm not a graphics whore but the game hasn't looked that good so far. Not confident enough in this one's performance to potentially tie up $70 waiting on a refund.
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
It does look good it’s insane the graphics are being downplayed here. Get game pass for the month instead.
I expect all PC master race to be running 4080/4090s in every rig on this forum. I see no issue here.
poodaddy
Member
Yeah man I.....uh, well, I'm in between yachts right now and I don't have any additional buildings to sell at the moment, so uh....
I'll just....see myself out.
Tallahassee
Member
OverHeat
« generous god »
4080 should be a minimum to be called Master Race….fuck the peasants PC users hahahaah
asdasdasdbb
Member
It does say 60 fps. You're obviously not getting that on the S.
ssringo
Member
I didn't say it didn't look good, I said it hasn't look that good. In previews. Meaning good enough to warrant those specs. Maybe what they've shown off is lowered settings. Or compression ate the fancy stuff. Or maybe they're pulling a Dragon's Dogma 2 where background shit is gobbling up resources. Or maybe we've hit diminishing returns to hard that nothing looks impressive to me anymore.
I am. Thanks for the concern.
Donald mac Ronald
Member
A 3080ti for recommended wtf.
Also what game on this planet needs 32gb of RAM
Also what game on this planet needs 32gb of RAM
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Probably, they've promised a 60fps mode on Series S as well.
Machine Games confirms that 'Indiana Jones and The Great Circle' runs at 60 FPS on the Xbox Series X and the Xbox Series S
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle will be smooth as butter on the Xbox Series X|S consoles.www.windowscentral.com
For me personally, that's just unplayable with the inputlag. 90+ FPS with FG is fine, the more the better obviously.
Spiral1407
Member
This is gonna be a mess, even the Pro is below recommended lol
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
They're probably rushing to release it in 2024. IDtech is fantastic otherwise and should have had much better requirements if the game was properly optimized.
The high storage requirement (120-135 GB) also indicates less-than-par optimization.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
?
Baldurs Gate 3 was 125~GB install at launch before any updates.
RDR2, GoWR, TLoU2 were all also 100GB+.
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Trogdor1123
Member
Pretty steep, wow
Jaybe
Member
Todd already told you all in advance to upgrade your PC for Starfield, so if you listened to his advice you’d be fine 
www.pcworld.com
Trouble running Starfield? Todd Howard says 'Upgrade your PC'
Asked why Starfield isn't optimized for PC, Bethesda director Todd Howard had some stark advice for gamers.
www.pcworld.com
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Are Indiana Jones (a linear story-driven game) and Baldur's Gate 3 (a sprawling open-ended cRPG that takes 166 hours to fully complete) even comparable?
As for other games:
- RDR 2 was 105 GB (-20%)
- GowR was 84 GB (-36%)
- TLOU 2 was 76 GB (-43%)
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Okay, that makes more sense. I saw that everybody on XSX was pre-loading ~135 GB.
Though we don't know how the game looks without the texture pack, so let's see how it all pans out after the release.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's getting CRAZY!!!! Is there any way for people to even buy a 4090 GPU these days?
Thebonehead
Gold Member
Buggy Loop
Member
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's great news. I saw on Reddit, and everybody was saying that the game has Denuvo. This is good news.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The system requirements have been updated and the typos (and CPU's that don't exist ) have been removed.
Still lists RT for all requirements, even the lowest.
) have been removed. Still lists RT for all requirements, even the lowest.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Some of the replies are brutal. I don’t get it! The game has looked visually stellar from the first showing! Slightly wonky animations at times, sure, but it looks good enough to get the job done!
And yes, Pathtracing is costly. That costly? Remains to be seen! But, I have no reason to expect failure here and I don’t. I expect a decent Should score well followed by good word of mouth!
And yes, Pathtracing is costly. That costly? Remains to be seen! But, I have no reason to expect failure here and I don’t. I expect a decent Should score well followed by good word of mouth!
Rocinante618
Member
Absolutely brutal. I have a RTX 4080 I can't play this game on native 1440p with RT.
RT looks great but I don't think the majority can access/use given the GPU prices and availability. DLSS/DLDSR/FG are great tech to offset low powered chips by upscaling but they require a good deal of VRAM and with nvidia being super stingy on VRAM it's just a mismatch and shitshow.
I'm hopeful new startups working on chip design are popping up but most are to speed up ml ops, I don't think many are focusing on graphics research and how to optmize heavier processes like DLSS, FG.
I wish there would be something like a gpu accelerator (like nitro) with you can plug into your PCIe slot which offloads heavier processes and allows a relatively cheaper card to perform well by using the upscaling algorithms, obviously not natively as those require the main GPU being beefy.
I totally believe the software has overtaken the hardware in graphics industry right now which is also the reason we don't have widespread AR/VR/MR devices - these too are waiting for physics/engineering to catch up.
hopefully nvidia releases the next 50xx cards with sufficient VRAM, minimum being 12GB for the 5060, 16 for 5070, 24 for the 5080 and 32 for the 5090 but I 100% guarantee you they won't. sucks to have only ONE company that does it all and has it all.
RT looks great but I don't think the majority can access/use given the GPU prices and availability. DLSS/DLDSR/FG are great tech to offset low powered chips by upscaling but they require a good deal of VRAM and with nvidia being super stingy on VRAM it's just a mismatch and shitshow.
I'm hopeful new startups working on chip design are popping up but most are to speed up ml ops, I don't think many are focusing on graphics research and how to optmize heavier processes like DLSS, FG.
I wish there would be something like a gpu accelerator (like nitro) with you can plug into your PCIe slot which offloads heavier processes and allows a relatively cheaper card to perform well by using the upscaling algorithms, obviously not natively as those require the main GPU being beefy.
I totally believe the software has overtaken the hardware in graphics industry right now which is also the reason we don't have widespread AR/VR/MR devices - these too are waiting for physics/engineering to catch up.
hopefully nvidia releases the next 50xx cards with sufficient VRAM, minimum being 12GB for the 5060, 16 for 5070, 24 for the 5080 and 32 for the 5090 but I 100% guarantee you they won't. sucks to have only ONE company that does it all and has it all.
In a perfect world, you’d know that ‘require’ = minimum spec and that’s the 2060 SUPER in that table.
it’s written in plain English in the OP.
more comprehension, less inane snark?
Buggy Loop
Member
It's not just "RT", because the part on the left is with ray tracing, even the minimum spec with an RTX 2060, what you see on the right where Ada required pop up is the "full RT", which is path tracing.
I think it will perform well if it manages 60 fps on series S, but I don't think I'll bother with path tracing. Like Wukong, not worth it most of the time. To be seen.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Make a last gen looking game, require high pc specs
Topher
Identifies as young
The system requirements have been updated and the typos (and CPU's that don't exist
Still lists RT for all requirements, even the lowest.
I still think requiring ray tracing is stupid
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's inevitable that most games will move onto RT only because it actually requires a lot of manual labor to make raster look good but with RT you don't have to do anything on the dev side besides put a light source here
Basically lazy devs will ensure that RT replaces raster whether you can run it or not
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm looking forward to the DF analysis on this one. Particularly how in the hell they are going to get this running on XSS. Hard to imagine turning off RT for XSS and requiring it everywhere else.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Still brave of them to require RT for a game not named Black Myth Wukong, the game already has a very niche audience but now they are also limiting it to PC gamers who have $2000 PC's I don't think that's going to go well for them
Especially since the game doesn't even look that good on the trailers, if this game forces RT to look like that then oof
Especially since the game doesn't even look that good on the trailers, if this game forces RT to look like that then oof
asdasdasdbb
Member
Frame Gen.
I also imagine that the Base RT is like statically drawn or not updated much if that makes sense.
Topher
Identifies as young
Perhaps. Like I said, the DF analysis will be interesting.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Metro EE ran on Series S with RTGI at 60 FPS, I don't know / think they've said what the basic RT includes, maybe it's just reflections, not GI.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm guessing DRS is what is going to take most of the hit as that is what seemed to happen with Metro EE on XSS.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Oh good so we can have DRS 400p again like what happened with that one game a few years back
It was that EA super flop which ran terribly on consoles and used FSR to upscale like 400p or something hilarious
Topher
Identifies as young
yeah.....that's how it worked with Metro EE so I think it has to be something similar.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Imagine if, after all this hoopla, it turns out that Bethesda didn't even mean "path tracing" when they said "full RT."
Spyxos
Member
Dont look like you can disable raytracing. Even min specs say raytracing required.GUYS READ THE SMALL PRINT AT THE BOTTOM!
THESE SPECS ARE FINE!
1440p Native at 60fps WITH RAYTRACING...
turn off RT, enable DLSS and you will be able to run this at decently high settings on every mid range card on the market
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