Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Well like I say it depends what they find success in, but given how much I loved Sly 4 I wouldn't mind them hiring others to use their IP if they don't wanna busy any of their own devs
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Insider - “I'm confident that we will hear more from Sony this Q3, next year might be their most important, and one of the best years this Generation”
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Fabieter
Member
You will excuse it that market conditions have changed when they ultimately fall flat.
I said game must be owned to be 1p or second party you said it doesn't. I don't know what to say except either you are wrong or everyone else.
semiconscious
Member
well, if nate the hate says so, it must be true. right?...
It's not in limbo it's owned by Sega.
EruditeHobo
Member
Yep... sounds like a them problem.
If you can't find a lot to like/play in GOW2, Horizon 2, Spider-Man 2, Stellar Blade, Ronin, BG3, Elden Ring & DLC, Armored Core 6, Cyberpunk & DLC, Death Stranding: DC, FF16, FF7rebirth, Helldivers 2, Tekken 8, Jedi Survivor, RE4 remake, TLOU p1, Diablo 4... seems like a self report.
That's a collection of the last 2 years on PS5. This weird console-war-fueled notion that we have to harp on an insanely specific, insanely obtuse strike zone like "western devs who are OWNED by Sony, who also outright own the IP" is ridiculous, it's just cherry-picked and for the vast majority of people completely meaningless.
I don't know why this is hard for anyone to understand, but this isn't how almost ANYONE actually thinks of gaming, or video games, or their consoles. This is why Sony is successful right now and doing well, because they have a product and an ecosystem that people want.
That said, I am interested to see what these western devs under Sony are going to announce. I just don't care that they aren't announcing things multiple years out...
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nial
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I explained it to you several times, all you've done this whole time is moving the goalposts, or using very bad examples against my point.
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nial
Member
SlimySnake is hardly a PS fan at this point.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
U mfs will hype up literally anything if Sony sharted it out, good lord
lughnasadh123
Member
Where are we going to push back the goals next year when those first party Sony games come out? What's going to be the new narrative on how they're fucked?
edit: It's hard not to look at this thread being full of people that are pissed Sony isn't focusing on Japanese games as much as they want or continuing on with past popular franchises that died out. Just let it go.
edit: It's hard not to look at this thread being full of people that are pissed Sony isn't focusing on Japanese games as much as they want or continuing on with past popular franchises that died out. Just let it go.
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Fabieter
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And they licensed it to Nintendo. Rise of the ronin is owned by koei and they didn't licensed it to sony. Sony just published it. Stuff like bayonetta is the weird exception to the rule
Your point rewrites the understanding of the 1p term.
This is the reason I said we should be done with it. You are accusing me of the shit you done youself. Just stop it.
Yes sony is doing awesome for publishing all those 3p games.
nial
Member
Lmao, your personal understanding you mean?
Uh huh, what do you think they are?
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
I don't think he was much of a video games fan to begin with... He likes VFX and graphics but doesn't want to learn blender or 3d animation so that brings him here where he can coom over the graphicks and the producshun valuezszz
Evil Calvin
Afraid of Boobs
Oh boy.....more sequels........remasters......and maybe a reboot
Fabieter
Member
Don't forget they have more 3p games to publish and to claim their own.
CitizenKratos
Member
Great news if true. Can’t wait for the fall showcases.
mayham2199
Member
I mean I do want those games but that's not the reason I'm a PS fan. There's a ton of Japanese games that simply refuse to come to Xbox and I hate PC gaming. So a combination of their exclusives and 3rd party support is what I'm looking for on PS.
mayham2199
Member
lol Sony's core audience? You know we can all see the top played games on PS right? It's not SP games at the top of the charts.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
It evidently will be...
GTAVI will sell PS5s like they'll soon go out of fashion. Xbox is ded, so GTAVI will behave like a defacto exclusive for Sony.
Then on top of that, they've almost assuredly got a fuck ton of first party shit that will launch next year.
And of course, Pragmata from Capcom, and Little Devil Inside. Can't forget those gems.
GTAVI will sell PS5s like they'll soon go out of fashion. Xbox is ded, so GTAVI will behave like a defacto exclusive for Sony.
Then on top of that, they've almost assuredly got a fuck ton of first party shit that will launch next year.
And of course, Pragmata from Capcom, and Little Devil Inside. Can't forget those gems.
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yurinka
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They have been breaking records in most fronts even with console shortages, with components getting so expensive and inflation getting so rampant that they had to increase the console (+sub, +games) price instead of being able to applying price cuts. And while Nintendo was performing better than ever with Switch and MS acquiring people like Activision Blizzard and Behtesda (plus other key players like Tencent also making important acquisitions) and giving away their games almost for free day one on both console and PC.
They kept enlarging their market share and broke all time game launch records with titles released in 2020, 2022, 2024 and 2024.
They have been performing great even with awful market conditions. And will continue doing so. And you will try to find random excuses because you can't accept they are very successful because they are very talented and have been doing a great job.
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Frwrd
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EruditeHobo
Member
He's asking YOU for an example of what you're talking about... and you haven't provided a good one. You haven't properly responded to this post from him ---v
So it's on you to try again.
In the face of great revenues, sales, success, and impending announcements re: future games, you're prognosticating them ultimately "falling flat". Based on... what?
This is the main problem. You haven't made an actual argument, and what you ARE saying doesn't seem based on all that much. From what I can tell, as someone not even having this argument with you.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
Right, as judging by the raves that Concord got on this website.
Fairgame@ might be good. We don't know anything about it yet.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
It's OK to ask for more from your favourite platform holder, you don't always have to defend them.
This generation has been bobbins compared to sonys previous gens. Everything has been cross gen apart from a decent remake, 1 incredible returnal game and a shit ratchet game. Remakes galore, weak sequels.
When you're almost five years in and the only stand out games are 2 x indie dev games of helldivers 2 (driven by pc players and hype) and returnal there's no real defence, imo.
This generation has been bobbins compared to sonys previous gens. Everything has been cross gen apart from a decent remake, 1 incredible returnal game and a shit ratchet game. Remakes galore, weak sequels.
When you're almost five years in and the only stand out games are 2 x indie dev games of helldivers 2 (driven by pc players and hype) and returnal there's no real defence, imo.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I'm a marketing manager by profession, and this is exactly how marketing works. Sony does a great job at it.
People want Sony to blow their load, not realizing that if Sony did that, those same people would remain disappointed for the next 3-4 years.
Look at what's happening at Xbox. They still haven't released the games they showed back in 2020 when they blew their load. And they still keep showing and marketing the same games year after year after year.
Hellblade 2's appearance in every showcase has become a meme at this point.
Fess
Member
From my perspective the whole thing seems short-sighted. Similar to Microsoft’s Playstation port strategy - They get fairly low sales numbers because it’s old games sold at full price with little excitement and they normalize ports so people realize that they no longer need their hardware.
But if the end game move is to form an ecosystem outside of their hardware accessed on every screen, then it all makes sense, then this is just baby steps in that direction:
> Late Steam ports
> account requirement - we are here!
> launcher
> day 1 launcher releases
> launcher exclusives
> launcher on every screen
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
Just like with MS...but the diference is that regarding MS its wait till next year, o sorry wait 2 years...3 years, you get my drift....
its always the next year
Fabieter
Member
We will see in five years. And like I said people like you will make excuses for their bad job they did. I think they are completely incompetent.
The fact that you think increasing the sub by like 35% is The fault of inflation shows that you excuse sonys missteps.
If they would make mp free and do free cloud than 90% of the people who own a sub would just end it. It's basically robbery. And if they think this is a good way to growth than they deserve to get the boot.
Fabieter
Member
What actual argument? For the fact that that we didn't see this as 1p since the inception of video games? For the fact that he only gave some bad examples from licensend ips which ain't comparable.
Its not like this is some science where I can prove what's 1p and what's 3p its just how the term was defined and used for decades.
If you want to count them so sony don't have to feel as bad with thir lineup so be it but it's a fucking double standard
ZehDon
Member
I know Google can be tricky, so here's a link. Anyway, Sony set shareholder expectations of two major titles a year, inclusive of third party exclusives. This would be two major PlayStation 5 exclusive titles every twelve months. So, while they'll pinch out a bottom-tier title like Concord, or smaller budget games like Astro Bot, the big ticket games that push the platform will be one every six months on average. While they may exceed that, there's basically zero reason for them to actually try to do so. As a result, they can space their heavy hitters out - this should help set expectations for their showcases, and what a "good 2025" would look like.
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Killjoy-NL
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Incompetent?
Playstation is carrying the console-market hard, generate as much as revenue as Xbox (incl ABK) + Nintendo combined and ran their main competitor straight into the ground.
If success is your definition of incompetence, I don't know what to say.
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Fabieter
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A) Why is it always about revenue, never about profit?
B) It's nice to see impressive numbers for now, but we have to remember that this success was built on the foundation laid by previous executives. The current leadership doesn't inspire confidence in me or many others. QWe seem to be in a transitional phase, and while they keep saying that consoles will remain their focus, I seriously doubt it. If the new direction fails, those numbers you're proud of could be at significant risk.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Because we have no clue on how Playstation operates exactly.
What we do know is that Sony came out recently, stating this is their most profitable generation ever.
PS5 is Now the Most Profitable Console Generation in Sony History
A new report from Sony reveals that the PlayStation 5 has surpassed the PS4 as the company's most profitable console generation.
gamerant.com
The flaw in your logic is that for the entire time that Jim Ryan ran Playstation, people claimed he was clueless and was going to run Playstation into the ground.
They've been marketleader since they released the first playstation, pretty sure they know what they're doing.
Fabieter
Member
Because we have no clue on how Playstation operates exactly.
What we do know is that Sony came out recently, stating this is their most profitable generation ever.
PS5 is Now the Most Profitable Console Generation in Sony History
A new report from Sony reveals that the PlayStation 5 has surpassed the PS4 as the company's most profitable console generation.
The flaw in your logic is that for the entire time that Jim Ryan ran Playstation, people claimed he was clueless and was going to run Playstation into the ground.
They've been marketleader since they released the first playstation, pretty sure they know what they're doing.
Must be the reason they said they need pc ports to raise profitability. Changes don't happen overnight. If they manage to grow further with their new direction by the end of the decade than I will gladly eat crow but I have no faith they will.
Sony has announced that the PS5 is now the developer's most profitable console generation throughout its 30-year gaming history.
Digital is on the raise to it makes sense that devs make more money with more people consuming digital in addition there is more mtx than ever. This is hardly an achivement.
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Killjoy-NL
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The purpose of any business is to raise profitability. Get real.
Each gen, development cost and time increase and since the console-market hasnt been growing for years, they need to find ways to reach more people.
Sony has been pretty clear on this and we already discussed this.
Doesn't matter.
It's the most profitable gen for them, they generate the most revenue by far, they have the biggest marketshare, their games break records, yet here you are saying how terrible they are doing.
You're almost completely out of touch with reality at this point.
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Fabieter
Member
It says the most profitable console generation for devs that doesn't make it the most profitable console for them.
Killjoy-NL
Member
'The developer' refers to Sony.
Badlucktroll
Gold Member
Fabieter
Member
You are right, my initial point still stands with the raise of digital and mtx
. Pretty useless statement.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I don't even get what your point is. People pay the money.You are right, my initial point still stands with the raise of digital and mtx
If anything, you actually made a case for Sony's Gaas-strategy.
Your list of PS5 only games is incomplete though:
Spiderman 2
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Returnal
TLOU1 p1
Rise of the Ronin
Demon's Souls
Stellar Blade
Now of course that's the silly qualifier "be first party" and "not be crossgen" list. As if that makes GoW Ragnarok, HFW, GT7, Helldivers 2, Sackboy, etc and the rest of the third party games this gen bad games. It's bizarre because nothing much is happening on the PC and xbox front either in terms of "first party, not crossgen" output either but we've got to complain about this specific company/platform that's putting out games when we talk about how much things apparently suck today.
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Physiognomonics
Member
With Astrobot, 2024 will be the best year. Death Stranding 2, as a japanese game, will do very well with a very good Pro version. The rest of their games will be lost into political agenda or/and GAAS oblivion and expected failure or half failure.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Unfortunately, it's just not that enticing. Part 2 of a (quality) remake series for a 90s game that's been played, spun off, and cross-promoted to hell and back already.
FF16 was just... eh. It's what happens when you get a team that understands how to maintain a service in an MMO to create something of substance for modern SP standards.
Nobody was ever craving character action games like Stellar Blade like that.
Fabieter
Member
There is no point in there gaas initiative when they are like a decade to late to shift from a working strategy. Gaas can make billions upon billions every year but they are also very expensive and have a high chance to fail.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
That's like saying Sony shouldn't have gotten into the console business because Nintendo and Sega had already been at it for a decade.
Games wane in popularity all the time. Unless you want to continuously be left out of the revenue in the business, obviously you would get involved and of course it is risky, game development has always been risky.
Perrott
Member
- Death Stranding 2: On The Beach (Kojima Productions)
- FAIRGAME$ (Haven Studios)
- New IP (FromSoftware) // OR // Ghost of Tsushima sequel (Sucker Punch) // OR // Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet (Santa Monica Studio?)
- Marathon (Bungie)
- Marvel's Spider-Man: Venom (Insomniac Games)
- Until Dawn sequel (Firesprite)
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I'm going to boycott Cory's next game If that's the title they go with.
Fabieter
Member
They took the shot because much of the groundwork had already been laid through their deal with Nintendo.
Yes, game development has always been expensive, but games-as-a-service (GaaS) is on another level. It’s not only costly but also demands a lot of time from players. For example, MiHoYo spends hundreds of millions every year just to keep their services running. If a GaaS title isn’t successful right from the start, it becomes insanely expensive to turn it around.
Plus, the market is already saturated with high-quality GaaS games, making it even tougher to break through.
It's easy to make some money from sp games compared to that!
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Fast forward 10 years when GaaS own an even larger percentage of the market and you've made no effort to break into the market.
It's so interesting to see people who are so short-sighted, but think that they're being wise at the same time.