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[Shadynasty]

Getting vaccinated is important and yes just because you get it doesn't mean you still won't get it as was my case this year.

I went back to the shot this year after they did a test run of the nasal vaccine which apparently was a big failure.

 

[gamma]

I'm German and never had a flu shot nor did most people I know. It's only recommended for people with weak immune systems here (Children, Elderly).

 

[redlegs87]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

So maybe not the hill to die on?

Yes we get it not all flu vaccines will be 100 percent effective or get the strain right. Still if it does then herd immunity will help. Either way I am out of this thread from here on out.

 

[Already Torn]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

So maybe not the hill to die on?

But like if it is the strain it does work. And if you don't get it everyone gets sick in that diagram.

Is this so hard to understand?

 

[Trokil]

A flushot is not the same as other vaccines. They're best guesses to what flu strains are going to appear during flu season.

Fuck, if you want it in video game terms, since it's gaf, you obviously wear the armor that says +3% DEF as apposed to NOTHING.

For the flu shot you had to add +80% DEF if the attacker is using melee attacks, so of a ranged or a sorcerer shows up, it is 0%.

 

[Charles Alan Ratliff]

I got the flu shot a couple of weeks before my girlfriend, who didn't get one, got the flu. Yes, it was the flu, not a cold. I slept by her side and spent all day, everyday with her for the entire duration of her illness and never once got sick. I was happy I got the shot when I did; a week later or so and I could have been in trouble! You can doubt that the shot was the reason I didn't get sick, but there is no reason not to get one unless you have a health issue that prevents it (which is why everyone who can get it needs to).

A lot of people confuse getting a cold with getting the flu. You would know if you've ever had the latter. I got it in 2004 and felt like I was dying. My brother and mom ended up getting it from me. None of us were vaccinated.

Even if you're broke and have no insurance (like me), scrounge up the $33 and get it. It's worth it, not only for yourself, but for everyone around you.

 

[MrNelson]

I don't get your argument. If you are in a group with a risk you will probably get the shot anyway. But promoting it to the general public will not increase or decrease your risk. If it is the wrong strain,then it is not effective anyway and if it is right you got the shot in the first place.

And unlike Polio or Smallpox you can not stop the flu or reduce it or getting rid of it. It will probably return every year for a very long time.

Not everybody can get vaccinated. If you don't get a flu shot, you are at a higher risk to get infected and potentially pass it on to others than someone that was vaccinated.

 

[meltingparappa]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

So maybe not the hill to die on?

It only "breaks down" if the vaccine for the year has literally zero efficacy, which has never been the case.

Do you understand that attempts at vaccine education is targeted to people like you?

 

[hawk2025]

For the flu shot you had to add +80% DEF if the attacker is using melee attacks, so of a ranged or a sorcerer shows up, it is 0%.

BUT IT'S STILL BETTER THAN NO ARMOR.


smh

 

[SkyOdin]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

So maybe not the hill to die on?

Why are you so eager to argue against the flu shot? It saves lives. There is minimal risk of side-effects. You haven't even given any evidence to back up your worries about it encouraging anti-vaxers. Why are you arguing an unproven hypothesis this vehemently?

 

[Shadynasty]

I'm German and never had a flu shot nor did most people I know. It's only recommended for people with weak immune systems here (Children, Elderly).

They don't require it for healthcare workers there?

 

[Already Torn]

Why are you so eager to argue against the flu shot? It saves lives. There is minimal risk of side-effects. You haven't even given any evidence to back up your worries about it encouraging anti-vaxers. Why are you arguing an unproven hypothesis this vehemently?

I think the secret base assumption of all of his posts is that vaccines increase your chance of autism. It's the only way it makes sense.

 

[Chumly]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

So maybe not the hill to die on?

When has the flu shot ever been 0% effective?

 

[MrNelson]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

So maybe not the hill to die on?

"There is a 50/50 chance we are right. If we're wrong nothing bad will happen, if we're right millions of lives could be saved"

"I don't like those odds, may as well not try at all"

 

[NoblesseOblige]

For the flu shot you had to add +80% DEF if the attacker is using melee attacks, so of a ranged or a sorcerer shows up, it is 0%.

1/3rd chance at +80% defense is better than 0/3 chance. As a poster on a gaming forum you should be better at games.

 

[Trokil]

But like if it is the strain it does work. And if you don't get it everyone gets sick in that diagram.

Is this so hard to understand?

Yes, if does work, it works, there is no doubt. But that is the problem, while you can try to explain all of this, it still will reduce the trust in vaccinations if you promote something as unreliable with the same dedication as something so successful as the vaccinations we really should promote.

That is why unlike other vaccinations in most countries they don't recommend to get everybody vaccinated but people at risk.

 

[SkyOdin]

Yes, if does work, it works, there is no doubt. But that is the problem, while you can try to explain all of this, it still will reduce the trust in vaccinations if you promote something as unreliable with the same dedication as something so successful as the vaccinations we really should promote.

That is why unlike other vaccinations in most countries they don't recommend to get everybody vaccinated but people at risk.

Again, do you have a shred of evidence that it discourages people from other vaccinations? This sounds like pure conjecture on your part.

 

[Already Torn]

Yes, if does work, it works, there is no doubt. But that is the problem, while you can try to explain all of this, it still will reduce the trust in vaccinations if you promote something as unreliable with the same dedication as something so successful as the vaccinations we really should promote.

That is why unlike other vaccinations in most countries they don't recommend to get everybody vaccinated but people at risk.

I don't believe you. That's not something someone would do. That's a complete nonissue.

 

[Trokil]

1/3rd chance at +80% defense is better than 0/3 chance. As a poster on a gaming forum you should be better at games.

That there is still 2/3 of a chance that you are screwed? And we never had 80%, but 60% is the best we ever got.

 

[nomster]

I can't help but think this is a way for you to justify laziness or indifference to the shot. I've never heard of this as an argument for why people avoid the standard vaccination protocols.

 

[Media]

I have to kill my immune system to stop it from killing me. So If I catch the flu, I could die easily. I get a flu shot every year, one that's weak and dead, but it's chances of protecting me are less than a live vaccine. If everyone around me gets the shot, I have less chance of dying.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Read this thoroughly
Vaccine Effectiveness - How Well Does the Flu Vaccine Work?

 

[Zackat]

Fuck Jenny McCarthy

 

[MrNelson]

That there is still 2/3 of a chance that you are screwed? And we never had 80%, but 60% is the best we ever got.

I'm going to say it again to show how ridiculous your thinking is.

"There is a 50/50 chance we are right. If we're wrong nothing bad will happen, if we're right millions of lives could be saved"

"I don't like those odds, may as well not try at all"

 

[Azerare]

"Gotta hear both sides" is garbage.

Yeah. There really isn't two sides when it comes to topi s like this.

 

[Trokil]

Again, do you have a shred of evidence that it discourages people from other vaccinations? This sounds like pure conjecture on your part.

Use google, I only had to look up for vaccinations and not working and already in the first hit they used the flu shot as an argument.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Use google, I only had to look up for vaccinations and not working and already in the first hit they used the flu shot as an argument.

Ah, the Google it yourself gambit.

Antivaxer will use anything to promote themselves.

 

[Trokil]

Read this thoroughly
Vaccine Effectiveness - How Well Does the Flu Vaccine Work?

I also use cdc numbers in my first post.

 

[MrNelson]

Use google, I only had to look up for vaccinations and not working and already in the first hit they used the flu shot as an argument.

So you've got nothing.

 

[99Luffy]

You are using a system which does not work for the flu, because if it is the wrong strain the whole system breaks down. And that exactly not the case with the other vaccinations.

Most vaccinations arent 100 percent. For example if youve ever gotten a shot that required 3 trips to the clinic, your chances of building immunity may be something like 50%, 70%, 90% etc.
And thats why herd immunity is so important.

 

[SkyOdin]

Use google, I only had to look up for vaccinations and not working and already in the first hit they used the flu shot as an argument.

A few comments made by nutcases on the internet isn't necessarily indicitive of a larger trend. That is what statistical studies are for. You know, actual science.

 

[hawk2025]

OP clearly didn't make the thread in good faith and is refusing to listen.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

I also use cdc numbers in my first post.

You didn't read it. OK.
What good is to argue with someone who has their head in the sand?

Aren't you also anti GMO? I seem to recall you using similar tactics.

 

[Kazerei]

Sometimes people get sick from the shot

It's impossible to catch the flu specifically from the shot. You can, however, still catch the flu from someone else despite having the shot. Or you could just have a cold.

Basically there is no downside to getting and promoting the flu shot. If people are becoming more wary of other vaccines because the flu shot isn't 100% effective, that just means we need more education and awareness, not less.

 

[meltingparappa]

Use google, I only had to look up for vaccinations and not working and already in the first hit they used the flu shot as an argument.

Oh yes, the "do your own google research" argument.

Here are results for "vaccines not working"

1) Specific to nasal spray instead of injection

2) CDC - the answer is "yes"

3) "livingwhole.org"

4) No need to even click on the site

5) The unbiased medically reputable site of "vaccine-injury.info" with nothing to gain in spreading false science.


Make a thread condemning people who have a tenuous understanding of the science behind vaccinations.

Further elaborate to reveal a tenuous understanding of the science behind vaccinations.

 

[99Luffy]

It's impossible to catch the flu specifically from the shot. You can, however, still catch the flu from someone else despite having the shot. Or you could just have a cold.

Basically there is no downside to getting and promoting the flu shot. If people are becoming more wary of other vaccines because the flu shot isn't 100% effective, that just means we need more education and awareness, not less.

I had a friend who said he doesnt get the flu shot because he hasnt been sick for 10 years running. He didnt know that being sick doesnt always mean showing symptoms. He can just as easily give the flu to his new born nephew or his frail old grandmother.

 

[Slayven]

Fuck Jenny McCarthy

Didn't she back off on this stuff?

 

[Linkura]

I get what the OP is saying. People are stupid. I see posts on social media about how morons think the flu shot gave them the flu, and how they never get the shot now, etc. People are dumb and will believe what they want to believe.

That being said, even though there are lot of dumb people, that's no reason to not promote getting a flu shot. People are going to be dumb no matter what.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Didn't she back off on this stuff?

Nope.

And we know have a POTUS who supports this idiocy.

 

[Trokil]

A few comments made by nutcases on the internet isn't necessarily indicitive of a larger trend. That is what statistical studies are for. You know, actual science.

This exactly this echo chamber mentality people are talking about. If I never seen this it does not exist and if I don't want to know about it it also does not exist.

I made a topic about an anti scientific movement which may use a pretty unreliable vaccination as an argument for a general vaccination critic and you honestly now expect scientific research about a community which you already have no interest in.

Also I only suggested that the flu shot is maybe not the thing to promote because it only weakens the argument for vaccinations in general. In most western countries flu shots are not even recommended for the general public and millions do not die like the hyperbole in this topic suggests.

This black or white is really getting out of hand.

 

[Dylan Sexbang]

People around me are getting sick, and this thread is encouraging me to go to target and get my flu shot. I had it last year and I thought I was on my death bed. :<

 

[grumble]

To the OP. I can't stress this enough. Your argument is wrong. Get your flu shot. It saves lives for people who, through a chain of you infecting others, can be seriously harmed or killed. Help the population and lower your chances of getting a shitty illness. It's win win.

 

[redlegs87]

This exactly this echo chamber mentality people are talking about. If I never seen this it does not exist and if I don't want to know about it it also does not exist.

I made a topic about an anti scientific movement which may use a pretty unreliable vaccination as an argument for a general vaccination critic and you honestly now expect scientific research about a community which you already have no interest in.

Also I only suggested that the flu shot is maybe not the thing to promote because it only weakens the argument for vaccinations in general. In most western countries flu shots are not even recommended for the general public and millions do not die like the hyperbole in this topic suggests.

This black or white is really getting out of hand.

The people you are talking about would post crap about how vaccines are garbage with or without promoting flu vaccinations. Those people are a lost cause you have to educate those that can still be reached and educated. You don't fight ignorance with nothing.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

This exactly this echo chamber mentality people are talking about. If I never seen this it does not exist and if I don't want to know about it it also does not exist.

I made a topic about an anti scientific movement which may use a pretty unreliable vaccination as an argument for a general vaccination critic and you honestly now expect scientific research about a community which you already have no interest in.

Also I only suggested that the flu shot is maybe not the thing to promote because it only weakens the argument for vaccinations in general. In most western countries flu shots are not even recommended for the general public and millions do not die like the hyperbole in this topic suggests.

This black or white is really getting out of hand.

It is black and white. Vaccinations are good. Not getting them is bad.

Don't give anti-vaxxers an inch.

 

[MrNelson]

People around me are getting sick, and this thread is encouraging me to go to target and get my flu shot. I had it last year and I thought I was on my death bed. :<

Nah man, don't waste your time, what if it doesn't work? Then you're gonna feel stupid for getting it.

Spoiler

Try getting them earlier, like around October, when the flu season typically starts. Check and see if your workplace offers them for free for future reference.

 

[Trokil]

The people you are talking about would post crap about how vaccines are garbage with or without promoting flu vaccinations. Those people are a lost cause you have to educate those that can still be reached and educated. You don't fight ignorance with nothing.

Don't you think it is easier to make a case, if you talk about something like Polio which is almost gone and not trying to explain the flu shot which even less educated people will tell you is returning every year and you still can get sick after the shot.

You give people a loophole and now are surprised if they use it?

 

[Aikidoka]

For the flu shot you had to add +80% DEF if the attacker is using melee attacks, so of a ranged or a sorcerer shows up, it is 0%.

This is completely not true. Cross-protection between strains exists.

 

[redlegs87]

Don't you think it is easier to make a case, if you talk about something like Polio which is almost gone and not trying to explain the flu shot which even less educated people will tell you is returning every year and you still can get sick after the shot.

You give people a loophole and now are surprised if they use it?

If it wasn't the flu they'd use something else. There is no winning the die hard anti vaxxers.

It is black and white. Vaccinations are good. Not getting them is bad.

Don't give anti-vaxxers an inch.

This right here there is no other answer really.

 

[SkyOdin]

This exactly this echo chamber mentality people are talking about. If I never seen this it does not exist and if I don't want to know about it it also does not exist.

I made a topic about an anti scientific movement which may use a pretty unreliable vaccination as an argument for a general vaccination critic and you honestly now expect scientific research about a community which you already have no interest in.

Also I only suggested that the flu shot is maybe not the thing to promote because it only weakens the argument for vaccinations in general. In most western countries flu shots are not even recommended for the general public and millions do not die like the hyperbole in this topic suggests.

This black or white is really getting out of hand.

How on Earth does asking for scientific evidence of something lead you to accuse people of being in an echo chamber? Science is not an echo chamber, it is the pursuit of truth. It is easy for people to use logical arguments to come to completely incorrect conclusions. That is why we use science instead of simple logic to examine our world.

Your theory that the flu vaccine's unreliable results leads people to become anti-vaxers sounds reasonable, but being reasonable doesn't mean that it is at all true. That is why we need studies: to discern the truth.

You seem to be taking an anti-scientific stance here, and that is disconcerting.

 

[Already Torn]

OP clearly didn't make the thread in good faith and is refusing to listen.

It's because of the flu shot blocking discussion you're proving his point etc