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[Heshinsi]

Like, I don't understand how they can truly justify this horrific act via religion. I mean I know they will somehow, but like how is this ever allowed in their version of their faith?

RIP girls. isis will eventually fall.

They can't. Their religion specifically forbids murdering civilians, forcing sex on women, and burning people. At this rate, they might as well say that they've made their own new religion.

Edit: I had no idea about those hadiths in regards to captured women. Fuck, the other two points stand, right?

 

[Zimbardo]

burned alive for refusing to have sex, eh? somehow i don't believe these guys took 'no' for an answer. they no doubt had their way with them and then killed them anyway.

world is fucking crazy.

 

[beast786]

They can't. Their religion specifically forbids murdering civilians, forcing sex on women, and burning people. At this rate, they might as well say that they've made their own new religion.

Actually they can and I just stated Hadith /Quran for it in this thread

 

[Heshinsi]

Actually they can and I just stated Hadith /Quran for it in this thread

I edited my post. I didn't know about the sex slaves thing.

 

[kurisu2001]

I can be wrong, and I am far from perfect as person, yet alone a muslim.

I also think that people have no clue about a religion that has taken scholars after scholars after god knows how many generations of scholars to truly get the most meaning of the Quran, and this is solidified with further fiqh, seerah, hadiths, and fatwas, many of which would not even have a clue what 1 of them are. There are multitude of books just on the meaning of a single surah, yet we get people here plucking quranic quotes because they can use that special something called "google", and use this to try and sway a topic their way without truly knowing the in depth meaning of it. If I read the Quran, doesnt make me a muslim. If I read a book about heart surgery, doesnt make me a heart surgeon. If i attempted to open a heart clinic, id end up killing people, irrespective of knowing a heart surgery book back to front. Same way with the Quran, if I take everything literally without knowing the context and motivation behind it, I will be causing more harm then good.

Im not going to pretend killing doesn't happen in countries like Pakistan, Saudi etc for being homosexual and of another faith. I bet many people dont even know that irrespective of all the killings of homos and leaving faiths, people fail to realise how popular Pakistan has become and how socially acceptable it has become to be of a different faith. There are many churches in Lahore, amongst many other parts of Pakistan, as a typical example.

There are alot of laws and quotes from Islam that do not fit in this day and age, but is still enforced in these countries, i certainly wont deny that, but that is not my responsibility to turn around and rewrite the laws for these countries that still live in the stone ag. They certainly need to "modernise" their acts, much like the west.

I have been practising Islam for over 15 years, yet I still am continually learning more about my faith, so rest assured, it becomes a laughable debate when people who use google think they can school people on an Islamic debate. There is a fair number of muslim gaffers on here who dont get involved with these topics because its a joke to say the least.

I have already provided my view points about this and ISIS, and if any one thinks they are confident enough to denounce what scholars have been saying since 911 about these scum bags of terrorists, then rather then hiding behind a forum nameless, come forward and actually debate with a scholar. Because this hasnt happened since 9/11, people have made their own comfort approach to what Islam is, for the better or worse. Check out Mehdi Hassan, who is a Shia, school many people on this very matter.

I wont bother replying anymore, but thats my two cents.

Don't you, at a certain point, wonder for yourself what the point is of following a religion that no two people agree about regarding what it all means and how to interpret its scripture.

If I followed an unknoweable ideology like that and saw it being so easily abused, I would probably just distance myself from the whole thing. A bit like christians turning atheist after actually reading their bible.

 

[pgtl_10]

I wish NATO would just go in and wreck them. I imagine the hold up is due to the political stand-off with Russia/Iran.

Blaming Russia and Iran is a bit short sighted. The original Iraq war is the main reason.

 

[MutFox]

Those women were probably dead either way.
Can't rationally deal with the IS.

Burning is a horrible way to go.

 

[MisterFalcon]

Blaming Russia and Iran is a bit short sighted. The original Iraq war is the main reason.

That war would never have happened without 9/11 so logically that is the main reason.

 

[Arkeband]

I can be wrong, and I am far from perfect as person, yet alone a muslim.

I also think that people have no clue about a religion that has taken scholars after scholars after god knows how many generations of scholars to truly get the most meaning of the Quran, and this is solidified with further fiqh, seerah, hadiths, and fatwas, many of which would not even have a clue what 1 of them are. There are multitude of books just on the meaning of a single surah, yet we get people here plucking quranic quotes because they can use that special something called "google", and use this to try and sway a topic their way without truly knowing the in depth meaning of it. If I read the Quran, doesnt make me a muslim. If I read a book about heart surgery, doesnt make me a heart surgeon. If i attempted to open a heart clinic, id end up killing people, irrespective of knowing a heart surgery book back to front. Same way with the Quran, if I take everything literally without knowing the context and motivation behind it, I will be causing more harm then good.

Im not going to pretend killing doesn't happen in countries like Pakistan, Saudi etc for being homosexual and of another faith. I bet many people dont even know that irrespective of all the killings of homos and leaving faiths, people fail to realise how popular Pakistan has become and how socially acceptable it has become to be of a different faith. There are many churches in Lahore, amongst many other parts of Pakistan, as a typical example.

There are alot of laws and quotes from Islam that do not fit in this day and age, but is still enforced in these countries, i certainly wont deny that, but that is not my responsibility to turn around and rewrite the laws for these countries that still live in the stone ag. They certainly need to "modernise" their acts, much like the west.

I have been practising Islam for over 15 years, yet I still am continually learning more about my faith, so rest assured, it becomes a laughable debate when people who use google think they can school people on an Islamic debate. There is a fair number of muslim gaffers on here who dont get involved with these topics because its a joke to say the least.

I have already provided my view points about this and ISIS, and if any one thinks they are confident enough to denounce what scholars have been saying since 911 about these scum bags of terrorists, then rather then hiding behind a forum nameless, come forward and actually debate with a scholar. Because this hasnt happened since 9/11, people have made their own comfort approach to what Islam is, for the better or worse. Check out Mehdi Hassan, who is a Shia, school many people on this very matter.

I wont bother replying anymore, but thats my two cents.

If your go-to defense of what was posted here, which is actually being used in real time by IS to justify these acts, is to pooh-pooh Google, that's not a refutation, it's a deflection, and a poor one at that. Pretending as if you're above dialogue because people are not (self-titled) "scholars" just screams insecurity about these topics, to me.

And I did not claim you believed you were a perfect person, only that you believed your faith is without flaws, and furthermore, cannot be flawed, so therefore there is literally nothing anyone can say that would ever change your mind. And if you did stop believing, there is a moral and possibly societal punishment for that, so there's no debate here, just obligatory defense.

 

[Zakalwe]

If your go-to defense of what was posted here, which is actually being used in real time by IS to justify these acts, is to pooh-pooh Google, that's not a refutation, it's a deflection, and a poor one at that. Pretending as if you're above dialogue because people are not (self-titled) "scholars" just screams insecurity about these topics, to me.

He didn't say he only wants to debate with scholars.

And he's right. What's the point in debating with someone who's calming absolutes about something they're only gleaned a surface level understanding of?

I was with a Muslim girl for a year, and she showed me various ways which this had happened regarding specific texts/quotes.

People do this all the time with every subject. Politics, religion, technology, hell even comics and video games.... it's unchecked ego and ignorance.

And I haven't read a single thing from him where he claims his religion is without flaws.

 

[Arkeband]

He didn't say he only wants to debate with scholars.

And he's right. What's the point in debating with someone who's calming absolutes about something they're only gleaned a surface level understanding of?

I was with a Muslim girl for a year, and she showed me various ways which this had happened regarding specific texts/quotes.

People do this all the time with every subject. Politics, religion, technology, hell even comics and video games.... it's unchecked ego and ignorance.

And I haven't read a single thing from him where he claims his religion is without flaws.

How is it possible that there are Quran passages quoted in this thread that read like a handbook of what to do with your female sexual slaves, yet somehow we pretend IS came up with that themselves?

It's true that it's human nature that some of us will always be monsters, but it certainly doesn't help when a supposedly divine book says this stuff.

The Bible says some messed up shit too and parts of the world are still struggling to move past it. Trying to dissociate extremism from its catalysts is a fool's errand.

 

[Heshinsi]

How is it possible that there are Quran passages quoted in this thread that read like a handbook of what to do with your female sexual slaves, yet somehow we pretend IS came up with that themselves?

It's true that it's human nature that some of us will always be monsters, but it certainly doesn't help when a supposedly divine book says this stuff.

The Bible says some messed up shit too and parts of the world are still struggling to move past it. Trying to dissociate extremism from its catalysts is a fool's errand.

Most of those are hadiths, and no matter what anyone tells you in their authenticity, I have a hard time believing that works collected and written hundreds of years after the point, can be accurate and not made up. Even then, these books are used as a source of religious teachings, and there are some pretty fucked up things in these hadiths. A lot of it is also contradicts with each other as well.

A lot of the day to day teaching are in the hadiths and not the Quran, which leads to so much confusion and interpretations. Not everyone agrees with every Hadith, and people do cherry pick hadiths to fit whatever way of thinking they want. For example, Islam bans interest right? But I'm pretty sure there have been rulings that have allowed people to deal in interest in the west based on some Shieks interpretation of a Hadith. So yeah, the nut jobs and the regular folk can use the same set of Hadiths to come up with completely contradictory behaviours.

Add the different schools of thought into the mix, and the whole thing becomes even more confusing (and that's just in Sunni Islam).

 

[Arex]

I am Indonesian too, but am currently in America. Most of my relatives there are Christian, abd even of my Muslim brothers I hadn't heard of ISIS sympathizers. That's insane, which part are you living in?

Well I was in Singapore for quite a long time too, so maybe I'm a bit skewed also.
Jakarta attacks on January was isis I think, so it's infiltrated here for sure, but IMO overall the radicals that are pro-isis are still tiny, compared to the majority, who I'm sure are peaceful and tolerant. But we need to keep it that way.

ISIS are made up of twisted, insane, cold blooded murderers, so you expect them to do horrible things. Hearing that normal people can actually support them is chilling and totally incomprehensible.

There are supporters for anything, I suppose :\

 

[beast786]

I can be wrong, and I am far from perfect as person, yet alone a muslim.

I also think that people have no clue about a religion that has taken scholars after scholars after god knows how many generations of scholars to truly get the most meaning of the Quran, and this is solidified with further fiqh, seerah, hadiths, and fatwas, many of which would not even have a clue what 1 of them are.

I am an Ex Muslim who lived a Muslim life close to 35 years. I was taught Islam for a decade. So , please don't be little . Instead of saying meaningless stuff I would love for you to provide scriptural evidence.

There are multitude of books just on the meaning of a single surah, yet we get people here plucking quranic quotes because they can use that special something called "google", and use this to try and sway a topic their way without truly knowing the in depth meaning of it. If I read the Quran, doesnt make me a muslim. If I read a book about heart surgery, doesnt make me a heart surgeon. If i attempted to open a heart clinic, id end up killing people, irrespective of knowing a heart surgery book back to front. Same way with the Quran, if I take everything literally without knowing the context and motivation behind it, I will be causing more harm then good.

Well then go ahead and provide the content. I in my example specifically provided the

Hadith and mention the exact relevant content . Again , no actual content given but a crappy analogy about cardiac surgery which had nothing to do with actual Islamic scripture. But to stick with your crappy analogy , a heart surgeon doesn't deviate from the book to be a better surgeon he actually tries to mimic it. And the discussion was about the root of Isis beliefs which are Hadith and Quran .

Im not going to pretend killing doesn't happen in countries like Pakistan, Saudi etc for being homosexual and of another faith. I bet many people dont even know that irrespective of all the killings of homos and leaving faiths, people fail to realise how popular Pakistan has become and how socially acceptable it has become to be of a different faith. There are many churches in Lahore, amongst many other parts of Pakistan, as a typical example.

Here is another fact, I as raised in Pakistan and still visit. Your first statement is straight up a big fat lie. Beside the bombing in Lahore in kids park during Easter , we had Qadri who was celebrated in street as a matyr for killing governor because he was going to change apostosy law, you can't even call Ahmedi Muslims and actual have laws against it, your minorties are leaving the country with fear

http://tribune.com.pk/story/519125/all-minorities-please-leave-pakistan/
Read the damn article above

There are alot of laws and quotes from Islam that do not fit in this day and age, but is still enforced in these countries, i certainly wont deny that, but that is not my responsibility to turn around and rewrite the laws for these countries that still live in the stone ag. They certainly need to "modernise" their acts, much like the west.

Good at least you realized Quran is outdated . And you shouldn't be surprise as its social progress is 1400 years behind.

I have been practising Islam for over 15 years, yet I still am continually learning more about my faith, so rest assured, it becomes a laughable debate when people who use google think they can school people on an Islamic debate. There is a fair number of muslim gaffers on here who dont get involved with these topics because its a joke to say the least.

I have already provided my view points about this and ISIS, and if any one thinks they are confident enough to denounce what scholars have been saying since 911 about these scum bags of terrorists, then rather then hiding behind a forum nameless, come forward and actually debate with a scholar. Because this hasnt happened since 9/11, people have made their own comfort approach to what Islam is, for the better or worse. Check out Mehdi Hassan, who is a Shia, school many people on this very matter.

I wont bother replying anymore, but thats my two cents.

Again with your 15 years experience you provided nothing from literature or the books. I also like the fact you are talking about scholars to understand Islam but your only example is medhi Hassan who is s damn journalist on a al jezeera and is no Islamic scholar. And please at least provide link where he school people

You also left the convo. Not surprising

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[ericexpo]

I feel like Isis is just a real world version of a hydra. Like other extremist have some thin version of reason for doing things but them it's like they do stuff just to be evil.

 

[Breakage]

Man, this is appalling.

 

[7threst]

This is so fucking horrible, it's really depressing. Man..

 

[Ashes]

Actually they can and I just stated Hadith /Quran for it in this thread

Does the Quran/hadeeth say Muslims can burn to death slave girls for refusing to have sex with them?

 

[beast786]

Most of those are hadiths, and no matter what anyone tells you in their authenticity, I have a hard time believing that works collected and written hundreds of years after the point, can be accurate and not made up. Even then, these books are used as a source of religious teachings, and there are some pretty fucked up things in these hadiths. A lot of it is also contradicts with each other as well.

True, and you can say exactly the same about Orgin of Quran as it also came from oral tradition afree death of Mohammad and it also has verses that abrogate each other. Plus I quoted Quran not just Hadith. Sex slaves are in Quran multiple times

A lot of the day to day teaching are in the hadiths and not the Quran, which leads to so much confusion and interpretations. Not everyone agrees with every Hadith, and people do cherry pick hadiths to fit whatever way of thinking they want. For example, Islam bans interest right? But I'm pretty sure there have been rulings that have allowed people to deal in interest in the west based on some Shieks interpretation of a Hadith. So yeah, the nut jobs and the regular folk can use the same set of Hadiths to come up with completely contradictory behaviours.

True again. But Quran is not cherry pick like Hadith and its absolute and in it it clearly talks about sex slaves, that can't be denied or cherry picked.

Add the different schools of thought into the mix, and the whole thing becomes even more confusing (and that's just in Sunni Islam).

I pretty much agree. My debate is always about Islam not Muslim . Because all the reason you mention. But, the scripture is the heart of the problem and that cannot be denied

 

[beast786]

Does the Quran/hadeeth say Muslims can burn to death slave girls for refusing to have sex with them?

So you are more concern about the burning part but not the raping of sex slaves?

Then to your happiness I don't think the burning way of killing your sex slaves is mention. I am sure that made those live sex slaves that are captives and rape make themself feel whole lot better

 

[Ashes]

So you are more concern about the burning part but not the raping of sex slaves?

Then to your happiness I don't think the burning way of killing your sex slaves is mention. I am sure that made those live sex slaves that are captives and rape make themself feel whole lot better

Let's be clear. You were defending ISIS - making it seem like the op story had strong scholarly support for ISIS's actions.

And now you're retracting your statement. At least than we know you are honest. Still, you obfuscate where you should make clear.

Are you allowed to enslave a free man/women?

 

[Arkeband]

Let's be clear. You were defending ISIS - making it seem like the op story had strong scholarly support for ISIS's actions.

And now you're retracting your statement. At least than we know you are honest. Still, you obfuscate where you should make clear.

Are you allowed to enslave a free man/women?

I think you're quoting the wrong person or you're completely misinterpreting his posts. He wasn't defending ISIS, but he is putting responsibility in some part at the feet of the ideology they have tweaked.

 

[beast786]

Let's be clear. You were defending ISIS - making it seem like the op story had strong scholarly support for ISIS's actions.

And now you're retracting your statement. At least than we know you are honest. Still, you obfuscate where you should make clear.

Are you allowed to enslave a free man/women?

No. I did not defend Isis . Saying Isis act of women sex slavery is following and motivated via Islamic scripture is not defending Isis .

If you read my response that is exactly what I am debating. There is no retraction or obfuscate.

Of course yes on allowing to enslave free women . Do you think sex booty slaves was by choice? . There are Hadith on buying selling slaves.

 

[Ashes]

He wasn't defending ISIS, but he is putting responsibility in some part at the feet of the ideology they have tweaked.

He sounded like a crooked lawyer arguing a very weak case. When you remove all the mud, he has no case here.

 

[beast786]

He sounded like a crooked lawyer arguing a very weak case. When you remove all the mud, he has no case here.

Lol. Ok

You made some great valid points

I should make absolute statement like you instead of quoting Quran and Hadith. My bad

 

[Ashes]

Of course yes on allowing to enslave free women.

Are you sure about this?

 

[rokkerkory]

Absolutely disgusting. Fuck these guys.

RIP

 

[beast786]

Are you sure about this?

Of course. What kind of question is it?

Unless you are gonna say that they were captured in war booty. Hence they are not "free women" ?allowed to be sex slave ?

Which is exactly what Isis is doing . Capturing this girls as booty of war.

Do you agree that Islamic scripture allows sex slavery?

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

God damn this is awful; can we please eradicate ISIS already?

 

[LQX]

All these years of fucking war and ISIS is in Iraq.

 

[Heshinsi]

I pretty much agree. My debate is always about Islam not Muslim . Because all the reason you mention. But, the scripture is the heart of the problem and that cannot be denied

Oh don't get me wrong about the Quran as well, that's why I said most of the day to day stuff is hadith based. The problem I think many Muslims have is the belief that the religion is perfect and complete. The Quran itself says as much. I know people who are some of the smartest people I've met, who get super defensive any time something is brought up in regards to certain Islamic teachings, etc. I know they don't agree with all of it, but their belief that the Quran is complete word of god creates an existential crisis for them, and they defend it. How can it be perfect and complete when so much of it flies in the face of a world so far removed from 7th century Arabia?

 

[beast786]

Oh don't get me wrong about the Quran as well, that's why I said most of the day to day stuff is hadith based. The problem I think many Muslims have is the belief that the religion is perfect and complete. The Quran itself says as much. I know people who are some of the smartest people I've met, who get super defensive any time something is brought up in regards to certain Islamic teachings, etc. I know they don't agree with all of it, but their belief that the Quran is complete word of god creates an existential crisis for them, and they defend it. How can it be perfect and complete when so much of it flies in the face of a world so far removed from 7th century Arabia?

I agree . My discussion is always around the scriptures. No way Muslims can be seen as one broad brush just like anything else

Again , complete agreement

 

[Figboy79]

This is infuriating. Humanity can be fucking pathetic and disgusting, and at times like this, I'm not terribly against an eye for an eye. You forfeit your humanity card when you perform such horrific acts.

Something has to be done about monsters like this. That's all there is to it.

 

[Ashes]

Of course. What kind of question is it?

Can you point toward hadeeths/quran explicitly stating that you may take prisoners of war as slaves?

 

[Future]

This is infuriating. Humanity can be fucking pathetic and disgusting, and at times like this, I'm not terribly against an eye for an eye. You forfeit your humanity card when you perform such horrific acts.

Something has to be done about monsters like this. That's all there is to it.

Sadly there is precedent for this type of thing in many countries. There are still a few countries / organizations out there living in the stone age unfortunately, and it's in no one country's best interests to really solve the problem.

This is when you need a captain America like organization that is driven only by eradicating evil and not self interest

 

[freethoughtbubble]

The most inhuman thing I've heard in a while, and that's saying something. An eye for an eye is too good for the people responsible for this.

 

[Storm Raider]

Truly powerful women.

 

[Abinash117]

I wish NATO would just go in and wreck them. I imagine the hold up is due to the political stand-off with Russia/Iran.

What are talking about? Iran and Russia are combating against ISIL and they can't stop the usa from going in countries to kill ISIL. Many NATO countries are fighting ISIL as well.

 

[Stereogatari]

What are talking about? Iran and Russia are combating against ISIL and they can't stop the use from going in countries to kill ISIL. Many NATO countries are fighting ISIL as well.

Propertly go in, as in Boots on the Ground.

 

[Ashes]

What are talking about? Iran and Russia are combating against ISIL and they can't stop the use from going in countries to kill ISIL. Many NATO countries are fighting ISIL as well.

Pretty much.

 

[Demoskinos]

Thing about ISIS is we aren't ever going to beat them with force. We have to destroy the ideology itself just gives them more ammo when we just slaughter them. (That's not to say that there aren't times were we absolutely have to respond with lethal force) They can point at all the slaughtering of their fellow ISIS members and use it as an example to brainwash all the kids they recruit as examples of how the west hates Islam.

These people aren't afraid to die because they believe they are doing work for a higher power. Sometimes just having a bigger stick than your enemy can dissuade violence but that doesn't work against ISIS.

And to be honest uprooting and destroying and entire ideology is something I don't think any of us are going to see in our lifetimes.

 

[beast786]

Can you point toward hadeeths/quran explicitly stating that you may take prisoners of war as slaves?

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
Sahih Muslim 8:3432


You forgot to answer my question

 

[sflufan]

While I have no doubt that ISIL is capable of such an action, I'm always a bit skeptical when such claims sole-sourced, especially when reported by a Kurdish news organization who are naturally and rightfully in opposition to ISIL.

I remember the stories from just after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 of Iraqi soldiers tossing babies from incubators and other such atrocities. Do you know how much of that was actually true? None of it whatsoever.

Always be skeptical of such reports, even if they involve as detestable an organization as ISIL.

 

[Ashes]

Sexual consent.

You're talking about sexual consent. Stop messing with me and talk about rules governing the making of slaves.

Are you incapable of straying off the script of stuff you read on jihadwatch?

 

[orochi91]

Pretty much.

I don't think any major international player wants to be embroiled in a ground war with ISIS.

The current course of supporting the Iraqi Army in recapturing cities, via air strikes and supplies, is the best way to go about this.

 

[InfiniteBento]

Despite the absolute cruelty of their death, I admire their strength to refuse to be sexual objects for ISIS.

 

[beast786]

You're talking about sexual consent. Stop messing with me and talk about rules governing the making of slaves.

Are you incapable of straying off the script of stuff you read on jihadwatch?

Stop messing with you. I have answered all your question about slaves from war captives question with a Hadith. And you didn't answer a single question I asked. I provided you with Hadith and now your argument is using some fallacy about jihad watch.

Are sex slave permitted via Islamic scripture as quoted in Quran and Hadith .

 

[Farooq]

Stop messing with you. I have answered all your question about slaves from war captives question with a Hadith. And you didn't answer a single question I asked. I provided you with Hadith and now your argument is using some fallacy about jihad watch.

Are sex slave permitted via Islamic scripture as quoted in Quran and Hadith .

Muhammed owned sex slaves and coerced women of conquered tribes into marriage.

Dude it is useless arguing with people who refuse to look at their religion and its founder objectively.

 

[Septic360]

Ok since you believe Isis are not Muslim and asking for Hadith or Quran support.

Booty of war as slaves girl including having concumbines is allowed in Islam

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; "

Quran 33:15

Many more Quran verse about sex slaves but you can google yourself

Hadiths

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Interruptus Coitus - Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born."
Sahih Muslim 8:3371

"Abu Sa’id al-Khudri said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess.” That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."
Abu Dawud 2:2150

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah's Apostle he said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interrupt us?" The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:432



There are many many more I am sure you can google it

Hold up. How on earth are you equating the treatment of these poor girls by ISIS as one compatible with Quranic verses.

The Qur'anic verses absolutely prohibit such a treatment.

Verse 24:33 of the Quran. Read it.

You think that the Quran enables acts of burning women at times of war regarded as slaves for refusal to have sexual intercourse?

In all your 30 odd years of supposedly practicing Islam, you clearly don't have a clue about Islam.

Go back to reading the Quran if you actually have a genuine interest in understanding the book or carry on propagating complete nonsense and have more in common with ISIS in their belief that their heinous acts are permissible in the Quran than almost all Muslims who will denounce such an OBVIOUS Unislamic act.

You know nothing of Islam. Just cherry picking verses to fulfil your agenda makes me command 0 respect for you, not that you would care.

This act is fundamentally Unislamic to its VERY core. And if you continue to propagate your nonsense then yes, I'll spoon feed verse after verse of the Quran to prove to you, and God forbid anyone else on here that might take your views seriously as representative of this faith or its followers.

 

[Abinash117]

Propertly go in, as in Boots on the Ground.

You mean frontline soldiers? Why would they need to do that? There is already successes without doing that. It really doesn't have to do with Russia or Iran as they can't do shit to stop the USA from going in some countries to fight ISIL they don't have that kind of influence during a major conflict as such as this. They aren't doing is because many countries lack the capability, will to send in front-line soldiers, also it really is needed or a good idea anyway.