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J.J Abrams: "Rey's parents are not...[Possible Spoilers]"
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DarkJediKnight
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EP7 takes place 30+ years after Return of the Jedi. Owen and Beru were burned to a crisp in New Hope which 4-5 years before Return of the Jedi. So if these two had a kid, they would be 35 years old. Rey doesn't look 35 to me.
infinitys_7th
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Jar Jar confirmed.
Meesa you fadda Reyee!
Meesa you fadda Reyee!
InsanerBrainer
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They'll gender flip it and set up for an "I am your mother" moment and then she'll die like 2 minutes later.
DarkJediKnight
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Dude, Anakin/Vader died 30+ years ago! C'mon....
It really really isn't Luke. This update even makes it clearer. He's trying not to give away the farm here, but it's clear.
The update is him basically saying its someone in the movie.
The update is basically him leaving it as ambiguous as is possible. It could be someone she's met. It could not be. Episode VII doesn't reveal it.
WadiumArcadium
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Constable Zuvio? He's in at least two frames.
brandonh83
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I'm thinking around 12%
CaviarMeths
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It's so damn lame how everyone important in the galaxy has to be a Skywalker, Solo, or Kenobi. No Jane Smiths allowed in Star Wars.
There has to be significance with the Skywalker clan and Rey (from a Plaugeus creation to Solo kid). I mean, that old dude had to be there to watch over Rey, and the Millennium Falcon just happens to be there, which leads to Luke's saber. Too coincidental.
In ANH, Leia was heading to Tattoine to give Obi-wan the plans and get him to help - he was there to watch Luke anyway. The Millennium Falcon could have been any ship. Those characters became significant after the fact.
But when I say there has to be, part of it is coincidence, but the other part is because these Episodes are about this Skywalker legacy. So, if they go some other route or don't explain the coincidence, I'll be disappointed.
The villain has to make sense or it's a "villain of the week". Snoke better be someone. My favorite idea is Palpatine resurrecting in Anakin's charred body as Snoke (scar, Vader helmet not fully destroyed and it was the outside).
But disregarding the Sith doesn't make sense, unless Palpatine is trying to hide himself.
I don't know. Then again, I enjoy the prequels (even though I recognize their faults).
Again, the Episodes are about the Sith taking revenge on the Jedi by creating a Skywalker. Any other story would be like how they are doing Rogue One. Also would make it disappointing if the Sith are totally disregarded in these next Episodes, otherwise we're just following the lives for no reason.
In ANH, Leia was heading to Tattoine to give Obi-wan the plans and get him to help - he was there to watch Luke anyway. The Millennium Falcon could have been any ship. Those characters became significant after the fact.
But when I say there has to be, part of it is coincidence, but the other part is because these Episodes are about this Skywalker legacy. So, if they go some other route or don't explain the coincidence, I'll be disappointed.
The villain has to make sense or it's a "villain of the week". Snoke better be someone. My favorite idea is Palpatine resurrecting in Anakin's charred body as Snoke (scar, Vader helmet not fully destroyed and it was the outside).
But disregarding the Sith doesn't make sense, unless Palpatine is trying to hide himself.
I don't know. Then again, I enjoy the prequels (even though I recognize their faults).
Again, the Episodes are about the Sith taking revenge on the Jedi by creating a Skywalker. Any other story would be like how they are doing Rogue One. Also would make it disappointing if the Sith are totally disregarded in these next Episodes, otherwise we're just following the lives for no reason.
Yeah, it's him trying to not give away the farm, but it seems clear as day to me that he's trying to hint really hard that it's not Luke.
Also, it would be really dumb if it was.
Think about it this way, would JJ have updated his statement if it wasn't someone she met in Episode VII?
brandonh83
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There's Luke, Leia, Anakin, Shmi, Han, Ben... and one whopping Kenobi (that we know of). and the story does revolve around them which is why they're important. There are shitloads of other characters in the galaxy.
Interfectum
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I've said from day one it she's a Kenobi. Trilogy will end with and epic Kenobi vs Skywalker showdown, like Episode 3.
VistraNorrez
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I expect Rey to be Luke's daughter, but she doesn't have to be. For a while I figured she had to be because I can't imagine Kylo having offspring and them continuing on with the Skywalker Saga in Eps. X, XI, XII. It seemed evident that Rey would have to do that. But maybe Kylo could be redeemed. They could do a reverse 1-6 and have the bad guy fall from the dark side in the first trilogy and become a powerful Jedi in the second.
But if Luke is Rey's father, I hope VIII starts with him ignoring the lightsaber she is holding and instead embraces her. The lightsaber shouldn't be what's important about that scene.
But if Luke is Rey's father, I hope VIII starts with him ignoring the lightsaber she is holding and instead embraces her. The lightsaber shouldn't be what's important about that scene.
Why would it be dumb? Star Wars saga films is about the Skywalker family. That's the whole point of it.
Star Wars is a soap opera in space about family drama.
Walter White Walker
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It's Phasma. Gonna be awkward when Finn has to tell Rey that he shoved her Mom down a trash compactor.
brandonh83
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It would be so shitty if that's what happened next, making people wait two years just to be like oh yeah okay for absolutely no reason other than to troll the audience. I also don't think the movie is going to pick up RIGHT there.
Chmpocalypse
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Bobby Roberts
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The update is him realizing Obi-Wan Kenobi is technically in the movie, and trying to course correct so he doesn't get "but actually'd" to death. Although there's no way she's Ben's kid due to age differences, so he didn't need to specify anything, because whoever Ben's kid is is still someone that's not in Episode 7, and therefore his statement about her parents not being in the movie was still correct anyway.
(Really though, it's probably just him trying to cover his ass a little more for Johnson's benefit)
(Really though, it's probably just him trying to cover his ass a little more for Johnson's benefit)
VistraNorrez
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I wouldn't imagine it would start exactly there either, but wouldn't they have to revisit that scene?
It would be dumb because it would be too predictable. With the amount of effort and energy they're putting into building up Reys mysterious past, it just doesn't align.
Further, it doesn't line up - timeline wise, to anything that makes sense with Luke.
Christopher
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Why does it matter who her parents are...?
WadiumArcadium
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They definitely are. The production announcement video shows them continuing on from the final scene of TFA. Ridley's confirmed they carry on from that scene too.
Timeline wise it makes perfect sense. Rey is only 19 remember.
And the fact they made Rey the EXACT same age as Luke in A New Hope is too on the nose to be a coincidence.
brandonh83
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I don't think so. Her handing the saber up just probably means "here's your lightsaber back." Honestly, I think people look into the ending too much. It doesn't have to be something crazy. He's been out alone for a while and he's seeing another person for the first time in who knows when. That and she has his fuckin' lightsaber that he lost on Bespin.
There's obviously story context we don't have so naturally it's hard to say, but I don't think it's gonna be this thing where the movie starts with the rest of this scene and we find out something relevatory. I think it's something straightforward.
VistraNorrez
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JJ's track record with mysteries isn't exactly sterling. Everyone picked up on Kahn in STiD and he had to lie to keep that secret.
Bobby Roberts
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They'll probably explain that when they reveal who they are.
If it wasn't important this wouldn't even be a question. But it's been made important for some reason. So it's probably important.
ChosenPredator
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hope its kenobi instead too..if its lukes daughter mehhh i guess he's with a female who has a thick accent.
Accents aren't inherited.
ChosenPredator
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I know but im assuming she might of been raised by the mother
It'll be pretty damn lame if she turns out to be Luke's. Why even create a sense of mystery about it if your reveal is just going to be what most people have already assumed?
Because it's Star Wars, and lineage has been important in the series in the past. But mostly because the movie intentionally created intrigue around it.
Because it's Star Wars, and lineage has been important in the series in the past. But mostly because the movie intentionally created intrigue around it.
VistraNorrez
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So why end it there in the first place? It's unlike any other ending in a Star Wars movie. They end in ceremony, celebration, and/or parting of ways. I don't see the point of building up "where is Luke?" and then just kind of like "Ok we found Luke, let's move on". If it's that straightforward, why end the movie there? It's supposed to be emotionally powerful. Why subvert that in the next one? The way you describe it is very boring.
Bobby Roberts
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Lotta shit that makes sense on Earth doesn't make sense there.
"She's related to him because they both talk funny" is right in line with the fairy tale/fantasy bullshit this series excels in. It's just another super-identifiable trait that is used as shorthand for storytellers. "Oh, he's his kid because this that and the other. Oh, she's his kid because this that and the third."
That kinda thing.
Maybe they should play with that expectation
Luke: "Rey.... I'm not your father"
*audience gasps*
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Is be very surprised, and honestly a bit disappointed, it that's not the case.
brandonh83
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If Luke turns out to be the daddy, it better be handled in the most amazingly poignant way or its going to feel super cheap and repetitive. The way Kylo was done was great. It wasn't made into a big deal in the scene and was revealed early and without fanfare. That could have ALSO ended up feeling like a repeat of the ESB twist, but was shockingly modest. The difference is that they went ahead and got it out of the way early and didn't make people wait for another film just to confirm suspicions. If they make Luke out to be the father, there needs to be a damn fantastic reason to save it.
And this is precisely why I don't think it's the case--for the time being anyway.
And this is precisely why I don't think it's the case--for the time being anyway.
She's not going to be a Kenobi. They're not going to take the time to sit down and have someone explain "When Obi-Wan, a guy you have no connection with outside of hearing a voice, was on Tatooine, he had a child with some girl (who was never mentioned in the OT) who then had a child who had you." It's too convoluted.
I think Bloodline will help with this a little bit. The Luke theory io easier to defend if the Jedi massacre happened a long time ago. Back during the spoiler days when we thought Luke had been gone for decades, it made sense that Rey was a youngling at the Academy (or whatever it is since Pablo says it's not an "academy") who was hidden away after the Knights killed the Jedi. However, since Bloodline takes place 5 years before TFA, if Han and Leia are still together in the book then it's pretty much guaranteed that Rey was never involved with the Jedi since she'd have been dropped on Jakku years before it ever happened. We know that apparently there's some Han and Leia stuff in Bloodline but we don't know if it's present time, so to speak, or flashbacks.
I think Bloodline will help with this a little bit. The Luke theory io easier to defend if the Jedi massacre happened a long time ago. Back during the spoiler days when we thought Luke had been gone for decades, it made sense that Rey was a youngling at the Academy (or whatever it is since Pablo says it's not an "academy") who was hidden away after the Knights killed the Jedi. However, since Bloodline takes place 5 years before TFA, if Han and Leia are still together in the book then it's pretty much guaranteed that Rey was never involved with the Jedi since she'd have been dropped on Jakku years before it ever happened. We know that apparently there's some Han and Leia stuff in Bloodline but we don't know if it's present time, so to speak, or flashbacks.
Not really. JJ is talking about the reveal of Rey's parents not being in TFA, not that they don't physically appear in the movie. If in 1978 George had said "Luke's father wasn't in Star Wars" he would be telling truth, from a certain point of view. They aren't going to say anything to rule anyone in or out, even though we all know she's Luke's kid.
Come on, that scene was not just Rey handing him the saber back. It was her asking to be trained in the ways of the Force.
CassidyIzABeast
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Rey being a Kenobi would just end up being a shitty hook for the eventual Obi Wan movies that would be used to fully flesh it out.
VistraNorrez
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If anything the update implies that at least one of her parents are in The Force Awakens.
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How could she possibly be the daughter of Obi Wan's old asd ?
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