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J.J Abrams: "Rey's parents are not...[Possible Spoilers]"

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If Rey is Luke's kid, then they probably should have revealed it during the ending scene, since it would have added some extra punch to it, and "why did Luke abandon his kid?" is a much better question to lead on to Ep. VIII with than "who's Rey's dad?" if it does turn out to be Luke. Hell, the fact that they didn't drop the reveal there is probably the biggest reason that I feel that they aren't going in that direction...
 

Ushojax

Should probably not trust the 7-11 security cameras quite so much
Maybe he never went back for her because he feared she would turn to the dark side like his father and nephew, and would rather she lived her own life away from the Skywalker legacy. Being a Skywalker has been nothing but trouble for every member of the family. Remember, it's not like Rey was imprisoned on Jakku, if she wanted to leave she could have. Maybe Luke simply thought she was better off without him.
 
She's not going to be a Kenobi. They're not going to take the time to sit down and have someone explain "When Obi-Wan, a guy you have no connection with outside of hearing a voice, was on Tatooine, he had a child with some girl (who was never mentioned in the OT) who then had a child who had you." It's too convoluted.

It's not really that convoluted. At all. And wouldnt' need to be explained as such, either.

These stories are pretty simple, and this "twist" such as it is (I don't even know that it's really a twist) isn't that complicated, especially being as about 1/3rd of the 100million people who watched the thing jumped to it pretty quickly.

There's still people who think she's Han & Leia's kid.

THAT would be kinda complicated.

Bobby and I have discussed this before, but I like the idea of Rey becoming a Skywalker as more of an inherited title/idea by the end of the trilogy, not a family lineage.

YES. To Marston you listen.
 
I'll never understand how anyone could think she is Han & Leia's kid. "Yeah we have a daughter as well - dumped her ass in the middle of a desert planet when she was 2 because fuck her".
 
I'll never understand how anyone could think she is Han & Leia's kid. "Yeah we have a daughter as well - dumped her ass in the middle of a desert planet when she was 2 because fuck her".

It's not even that but rather basic writing logic. They already did their kid being Kylo. There's all of zero reason to make us wait for another movie to be like oh yeah AND she's their daughter too.

If folks would exercise simple logic these conversations could be a little more... refined.
 

A-V-B

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Bobby and I have discussed this before, but I like the idea of Rey becoming a Skywalker as more of an inherited title/idea by the end of the trilogy, not a family lineage.

"Yes. Well done, Rey. Good night. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
 
Why do some of you get so mad saying it better not be Luke, or it better not be Kenobi

Why do u guys get so upset over that. It's not a big deal, and it would be cool either way.

I don't get it.
 

Pineapple

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TFA telegraphs Rey being a Skywalker from start to finish. If that indeed is the case

All the evidence is there. I don't know why some people continue to deny it. And I'm excited at the fact that Rey could end up being Luke's daughter.

I think people need to think long term - chances are, assuming Rey is Luke's daughter, we're only going to have one Skywalker left standing at the end of Episode IX. And I think all of us can probably agree that Disney isn't just going to stop with the saga after that.

So, you have a Skywalker left at the end of Episode IX (most likely Rey) that can then reestablish the Jedi Order. Future trilogies and saga films can then revolve around new jedi and their own journeys.
 
All the evidence is there.

Where? Personal feelings isn't evidence btw :p

Like where in the movie are any facts that point to it? In fact I find it to be the opposite especially when Maz tells Rey that her parents aren't coming back, but that she could still find Luke. And if it were indeed so obvious, why are they making us wait another two years just to confirm it? It doesn't add up.
 
Abrams comments make it pretty likely it's a character from Force Awakens it seems. Luke is probably still the best bet.


Bingo. The fact he immediately clarified after people misunderstood his comment(still how the did people see it that way? I don't get it.) seals the deal.

It's going to be Luke

I think It is too obvious for it to be luke.

So many people feel that this film lacked creativity in how closely it paralleled A New Hope, but I am of the mind that this was done entirely on purpose to create thoughts like this only to have the actual reveal be a huge curveball because the mirroring was all a red herring.
That curveball being she is probably Hux's daughter, somehow conditioned (probably by Snoke) that when the force awakened within her, to search out Skywalker, get close enough and kill him, while Kylo Ren having to endure the worst tests to earn Snokes trust ends up being the real hero of the story by the end of Episode 9.

No not really... It's worth noting though that Kylo Ren was supposedly not the only Apprentice of Snoke, and I feel comfortable in saying that the other is Rey

Also... Joking aside, there is a 10 year age difference between Gleeson and Ridley... wouldn't be the first time that age gap was used to represent a parent/child combo soo

:p
 

inm8num2

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How could she possibly be the daughter of Obi Wan's old asd ?

Maybe Obi-Wan had a secret freezer in his hut and preserved his progeny in there.

All the evidence is there. I don't know why some people continue to deny it. And I'm excited at the fact that Rey could end up being Luke's daughter.

It makes people feel apprehensive about retreading familiar ground or falling into the cycle of
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try. Thing is, you can still do quite a bit within that framework. How powerful is she really? Why did Luke or someone else hide her on Jakku? Does Snoke know about her (edit - meant does he know about her being a Skywalker)? And so on...

My personal theory is that it's going to be a "Rey wasn't just in danger, Rey was the danger" kind of situation. Not that she'll go to the dark side, but these movies are about internal conflicts more than anything else. Kylo cemented himself as the absolute villain. Finn made his choice to be a good guy. Rey? She doesn't know where the hell she belongs yet.

Basically, who Rey's parents are is one of the less interesting mysteries about her. It's related to the other mysteries, but there's much more beneath that setup.

I also think that this trilogy will end in a way that moves on from the Skywalkers and really opens the later episodic films to other families, characters, etc.
 

ramparter

Banned
I believe her abandoning is related to Ben turning against Luke. BTW Kylo Ren was really obsessed to finding the map to Luke while Smoke just wanted to prevent Resistance from getting it. My theory is that something was going on between Luke, Ben and Rey's mother. Kylo and Rey's mother were Jedi students, Kylo loved her but she fell in love with her teacher.
 

Pineapple

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Where? Personal feelings isn't evidence btw :p

Like where in the movie are any facts that point to it? In fact I find it to be the opposite especially when Maz tells Rey that her parents aren't coming back, but that she could still find Luke. And if it were indeed so obvious, why are they making us wait another two years just to confirm it? It doesn't add up.

That's not what Maz tells her - she tells her that whomever left you on Jakku isn't coming back.

And TFA is littered with evidence, clues, and foreshadowing that Rey is Luke's daughter. Could she end up not being related to Luke? Sure. But everything the film presents to us is strongly suggestive of a relationship between the two. Just a few quick examples -

- Rey's upbringing on Jakku is highly mimetic of Luke's upbringing on Tatooine. Everything from their garbs, abilities, speeders, etc. None of this is accidental.

- Maz literally telling Rey that Anakin's and Luke's lightsaber "calls out to her".

- Rey had the ability to pull the saber to her, despite the fact that Kylo was attempting to pull in the saber as well. This plays back to Maz's statement about the saber "calling out" to Rey, which is confirmed when she is able to pull it away from Kylo. Why would she have such a connection to the saber, especially more of a connection than another Skywalker, if she was not at all part of this bloodline?
 
I think snoke will be the first sith inquisitor from rebels. Looks uncannily similar.

The other inquisitors were formed into the knights of ren after palpatines demise and then ben took over after he fell to the darkside since he is stronger than them.

Makes sense. As for rey's parents, i doubt it would be luke. Luke wouldn't leave his daughter alone to possibly die on an outerworld planet. The least he would do is leave her with han and leia while he went away.
 

MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
I think snoke will be the first sith inquisitor from rebels. Looks uncannily similar.

That bloke turned lightside in the afterlife

I hope she's Kenobi's kid/grand kid. Kenobi was my favorite character in the 6 movies, we need another one damnit.
The way I think they could pull it off is to have Kenobi have a sibling/cousin who seemingly had no force sensitivity that he never bothered to mention.

Thus, we had two Kenobi bloodlines all along
 
That's not what Maz tells her - she tells her that whomever left you on Jakku isn't coming back.

The way the line is written doesn't point it to being Luke though. The wording of the exchange doesn't lead me to believe that. She says whoever left you on Jakku isn't coming back, but there is someone who still could. If it were Luke, don't you think the exchange would have been written differently than that? She outright says "who left you on Jakku isn't coming back but Luke still could." This does not infer the same person who left her on Jakku was Luke.

I think if Luke left her on Jakku, it was to get her away after the Knights of Ren attacked, and she was one of his students at an early age with a lot of potential, and he dropped her off there because he remembers how he was left on Tatooine to be kept away from Vader. Those other points you mentioned are still not evidence. The lightsaber "calling" to Rey IMO is like "the wand chooses the wizard" and honestly the lightsaber never called to Luke because Obi-Wan just flat out gave it to him. Still not finding any evidence here.

I'm not saying there's no way she's a Skywalker or Luke's daughter. Hell I think she may be a Skywalker. I'm just not seeing her being Luke's daughter based on anything in Episode VII, plus the fact that, again, holding it back better be for a damn good reason if that's what they're doing.
 

casiopao

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I think It is too obvious for it to be luke.

So many people feel that this film lacked creativity in how closely it paralleled A New Hope, but I am of the mind that this was done entirely on purpose to create thoughts like this only to have the actual reveal be a huge curveball because the mirroring was all a red herring.
That curveball being she is probably Hux's daughter, somehow conditioned (probably by Snoke) that when the force awakened within her, to search out Skywalker, get close enough and kill him, while Kylo Ren having to endure the worst tests to earn Snokes trust ends up being the real hero of the story by the end of Episode 9.

No not really... It's worth noting though that Kylo Ren was supposedly not the only Apprentice of Snoke, and I feel comfortable in saying that the other is Rey

Also... Joking aside, there is a 10 year age difference between Gleeson and Ridley... wouldn't be the first time that age gap was used to represent a parent/child combo soo

:p

I kinda liked that curveball theory lol. I mean, it will be so left side that almost no one will be able to predict them.^~^
 

pantsmith

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Exhibit A - Theyve repeatedly made it clear the mainline Star Wars movie are always going to be about the Skywalker dynasty

Exhibit B - Rey is full of HEAVILY TELEGRAPHED Skywalker traits; supernaturally gifted with the force, supernaturally gifted with technology and able to pilot a spaceship with no training

Exhibit C - Rey has visions of the place Luke is living.

Exhibit D - The Skywalker family sword calls out to her, and she takes it up

The Kenobi theory is cool, and would be a nice touch, but its not happening. I look forward to the waves of salt.
 

Pineapple

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The way the line is written doesn't point it to being Luke though. The wording of the exchange doesn't lead me to believe that. She says whoever left you on Jakku isn't coming back, but there is someone who still could. If it were Luke, don't you think the exchange would have been written differently than that? She outright says "who left you on Jakku isn't coming back but Luke still could." This does not infer the same person who left her on Jakku was Luke.

Correct, which is why most people believe that Luke was not the one that left her in Jakku.

The lightsaber "calling" to Rey IMO is like "the wand chooses the wizard" and honestly the lightsaber never called to Luke because Obi-Wan just flat out gave it to him. Still not finding any evidence here.

I'm not saying there's no way she's a Skywalker or Luke's daughter. Hell I think she may be a Skywalker. I'm just not seeing her being Luke's daughter based on anything in Episode VII, plus the fact that, again, holding it back better be for a damn good reason if that's what they're doing.

We don't know that the lightsaber never "called out" to Luke. It's not really about the saber "choosing" a Force user - it's about a connection. Try and think about what the writers for this film were going for - do you think they would randomly include that line about the lightsaber calling out to Rey is she had zero familial connection with Anakin and Luke? Why would Rey, if she has no connection to Luke or Anakin, have such vivid Force visions (of which include's Luke's duel with Vader in Cloud City) when she makes direct contact with the saber? None of this is random.

Most rational people would agree that the subtext of the film is highly suggestive of Rey being Luke's daughter. Again, that may not happen, but most would acknowledge at this point that TFA contains numerous hints that indicate that this is the most likely outcome.
 

Xero

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clearly yoda banged padme on the DL and never told anakin about it, then kept the secret baby in stasis until it was needed.
 

phanphare

Banned
Having anything to do with Kenobi would be terrible and convoluted.

Yes, you're the daughter of the child of Obi-Wan so let's talk about him then talk about his kid who was never mentioned during the originals. Oh and him going against the code and having a kid which is one of the reasons his student went crazy (because he had to hide it from Obi-Wan and the order). Geez Obi-Wan, seems fair you put him though that misery then willy nilly had a kid. Who also then had a kid. Mmhm.

No, too much exposition. Her being a product of Anakin or Luke's blood that the Emperor (or Snoke) could've taken makes more sense and takes less explaining.

I feel like the idea that Obi Wan had a kid as a sort of contingency plan in case the skywalker bloodline ended up not being suited to be the jedi in the prophecy could be really cool. it'd honestly bring both of the previous trilogies together quite nicely imo. after having trained anakin and seeing what happened to him it would make sense that obi wan wouldn't put all of his eggs in the luke skywalker basket. I know star wars is frequently seen as a story about the skywalkers but there also hasn't been a star wars movie without a kenobi.

it would also add to kylo ren and rey's dynamic
 
If she has to be a Kenobi then just make Obi-Wan's daughter the new Mara Jade who was born during the Clone Wars. As I've said a several times before they don't need to make Rey's father a mystery or twist with it being Luke.
 
We don't know that the lightsaber never "called out" to Luke. It's not really about the saber "choosing" a Force user - it's about a connection. Try and think about what the writers for this film were going for - do you think they would randomly include that line about the lightsaber calling out to Rey is she had zero familial connection with Anakin and Luke?

I don't see why not! It could just be that the Skywalker lineage is coming to an end at some point in the new trilogy, and there needs to be someone else to carry the legacy, Skywalker or not. I think they're building up Rey to be the new prodigal that is going to successfully kickstart the Jedi Order by the end, after the previous Jedi Order were felled by Sheev and now Luke has run into a problem himself. The lightsaber calling to her could mean a number of things, not strictly a bloodline thing.

Most rational people would agree that the subtext of the film is highly suggestive of Rey being Luke's daughter. Again, that may not happen, but most would acknowledge at this point that TFA indicates that this is the most likely scenario.

Oh this is how it's gonna be, huh?

For me none of this is substantiate, but it could go either way. I'm not even writing her off as being a Skywalker, I think that's certainly a possibility, I just don't think there's anything in the film that specifically, in bold, makes a case for her being Luke's daughter.
 

MrBadger

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Why do some of you get so mad saying it better not be Luke, or it better not be Kenobi

Why do u guys get so upset over that. It's not a big deal, and it would be cool either way.

I don't get it.

I think having her be Luke's daughter would be too boring and safe, plus the idea of only one family of Jedi that matters in the entire galaxy is pretty lame.
 

Abounder

Banned
It'll be something weird like Anakin having no father; the force manifests itself into Skywalker-ish humans

Just please no love story between Luke/Rey. Leia was enough
 

Escape Goat

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It'll be something weird like Anakin having no father; the force manifests itself into Skywalker-ish humans

Just please no love story between Luke/Rey. Leia was enough

Seemed they did a good job of ignoring the prequels. The immaculate conception/midichlorians crap is best forgotten.
 
I think having her be Luke's daughter would be too boring and safe, plus the idea of only one family of Jedi that matters in the entire galaxy is pretty lame.

People are having a hard time imagining Rey being Luke's daughter could be handled so well in Episode VIII (or dare I say IX) that it was worth the wait to find out for sure. Like, I've said that if they do this, it needs to be some incredibly poignant moment that makes the wait feel like it was worth more than a dime, and they were already smart enough to not treat the Ben Solo thing like an earth-shattering twist. Instead they smartly revealed it early and didn't treat the audience like they're gullible to every twist they could try and do. And getting that fact early let the film's characters develop in more interesting ways: instead of the twist being that Kylo is their son, it became about how Han and Leia were distraught and trying to bring him back, which led to Han's death-- which was a powerful moment.

Vader being Luke's father was a twist, because there was absolutely no evidence until that movie, and even then it still blew people's minds because the sheer idea of that was crazy at the time. Rey being Luke's daughter wouldn't be crazy or unpredictable, just as Kylo Ren being Han's son isn't crazy or unpredictable either. The way they played the Solo thing was perfect, but holding out another movie or two just to say "yeah she's Luke's daughter" without some mindblowing reason or poignant moment behind it would feel, as you said, incredibly boring and safe. And they may well have that mindblowing or poignant moment all lined up, but the above is why, at least for now, I don't think they're gonna pull that on us.

They've already did the "omg he/she is his/her son/daughter" with Kylo Ren. We should probably be hoping that they do something more unique with Rey. I thought the Solo thing was great and handled very well, but they've already did this. Do something more interesting with the protagonist.
 
What if Luke created Rey like Sheev or whoever created Anakin (if you want to go with that) after dabbling in the dark arts during his little vacation, but found her and dropped her off on Jakku because he sees her as something that shouldn't exist and feels heavy regret for it. Then when she not only shows up but with his lightsaber, it's like ohhhh shiittttt

I'm not being serious.

It can't be obiwan. He knows jedi's can't find love. He knows better than that. Finding love really backfired for anakin.

Finding love backfired for Anakin because of the paranoia and stress because of their dumb rules, which led to him having visions of her death because he eventually causes her death because of their dumb rules. Not because he's a Jedi, but because of their backwards ass rules that ended up helping Palpatine fuck them over. And Obi-Wan, in official canon, did have a lover at some point.
 

phanphare

Banned
what if she's luke's daughter and episode VIII has one of the most predicted and underwhelming twists of all time?

she's not luke's daughter
 

Oozer3993

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Clearly Rey's mom is Camie.

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But seriously, I think if they try to make it a "twist" type of thing they might go for the inverse of ESB. I could see Rey and the audience being clued in very early in VIII that Luke is her father, but Luke not knowing. After Kylo Ren, he's been so terrified of another family member falling to the dark side that he abandoned and suppressed all memory of her. Anakin reaching out to his child ending up being his "downfall" from a certain point of view. Luke could be scared that that works both ways.

Having said that, my prediction is that "Luke is Rey's father" is revealed almost immediately in VIII and that is used to fuel Luke's hesitance to train her. The last time he tried to train a family member in the ways of the Force, Kylo Ren was born. His father fell to the dark side as well. He's the only member of his family not to succumb. He will refuse to put his daughter at risk of that even as it becomes more and more apparent that the Resistance needs her to be a Jedi to defeat the First Order.

They want Jacen and Jaina to live on past the old EU.

All I want is Tenel Ka in a movie. I don't care if they say I have to sit through Star Wars Holiday Special 2: Jar Jar and Itchy Discuss The Bothan Parliament if it means live action Tenel Ka.
 
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