Tizoc
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What?
WHAT?
WHAT?!
WHAT?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
They managed to fit all that onto a 700 MB disc?!
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Jak and Daxter Collection |OT|
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What?
WHAT?
WHAT?!
WHAT?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?
They managed to fit all that onto a 700 MB disc?!
Nope, they sure didn't.
I am about halfway through Jak II and I forgot just how good this game was. I think when I think back on it some of the bad stuff like how annoying it can be moving around the city and how much travel their is between getting missions and going to missions and a few bad missions stand out. But there are so many great missions outside of the city. A few I pretty much forgot about. I am liking this just as much as the other games in the trilogy now. I mean maybe I did before, but I just forgot.
mysticwhip
Banned
have you reached haven forest yet?
Dreams-Visions
Member
bought the set. never played a Jak game. looking forward to it.
I think I'm experiencing the same feelings you are towards the latter 2 games (although I haven't replayed Jak 3 yet). The first game is still without a doubt my favorite Jak title, but I remember really hating Jak 2 back in the day. I still consider it a disappointment and I generally don't like how there is such an emphasis or driving around, etc. but the missions are actually really fun. All of the areas outside of the city are really well designed. A lot of them offer legitimately cool platforming sequences (like traversing the wire to Baron's Palace). I guess I completely forgot about some of these scenarios.
It's definitely NOT perfect though and it's far from being the best Naughty Dog/Jak title as some people have claimed. The driving missions are frustrating and generally not fun. For me, the first Jak is like impossible to put down. It's been about 10 years since I've played the original and I replayed it to completion in a matter of days, nonstop. I also can't stand how the collectible orbs are just scattered all over the game with no indication of what you are missing in a particular area. And some of the orbs are tucked away in the tiniest corners! There should have been fractions for each area like in the original game.
Yeah, it's better than I remembered, so maybe Jak 3 is the one I remembered disliking the most, I don't know.
nincompoop
Banned
Did you also dislike the driving missions in Jak 1 (which comprised more than 15% of the entire game)?
No, because they were fun, and three of those segments were linear, point A to B stages. Also, the Basin area where you could actually explore with your vehicle was centered around collecting fun items or doing other Mario 64-like objectives. Driving in Jak II is NOT fun. Air/ground traffic is soooo dense it's almost impossible not to crash into someone and blow up. Also, when trying to fly towards an optional mission beacon I cannot even tell you how many times I've bumped into a guard and set off those alarms. From there you have to WAIT for the fucking GTA police to stop worthlessly chasing you until you can activate the mini-challenge. Yeah, I guess some people like this, but for me it's a way one stop to sleepyville.
outunderthestars
Banned
Jak 1 was one of my favorite games of all time. I always thought it was the peak of the MArio 64 styled platforming genre.
overthehill99
Member
Missing objects?
The sun and the starts are gone for some odd reason according to people who have played it.
nincompoop
Banned
Driving between missions wasn't a big deal to me - just stay on the lower level and don't worry about running into guards if you're driving to a mission. I could see how it might put some people off if they suck at not running into things, but to me it was a lot more exciting than simply walking from one area to the next in Jak 1. Even though I completed all of the sidequests before, before you mentioned it I didn't even remember that you couldn't activate them when the guards were after you, so obviously avoiding the guards was never really an issue for me either. You can usually avoid running into them by hopping over them with L1 (if you're driving a zoomer), or quickly switching zones twice if you're using one of the vehicles that can't jump.
I personally thought the Precursor Basin was one of the weaker areas in Jak 1 - the mole herding and repeatedly driving over dead plant missions were boring filler, and the ring challenges and lurker chasing sequences weren't as well-designed as the ones that were in Jak 2. I also liked the stadium races in Jak 2 better than the racing/having to drive fast missions in Jak 1, since they forced you to take advantage of shortcuts and manage your boosts effectively.
It's not that I don't understand how it works, I just don't like the idea of it. Also, there are a lot of tight/narrow corners/turns in and around the city and when you are trying to get somewhere under some of the ridiculous time limits they give you it can become a bit of an annoyance. The overall difficulty never bothered me in this game either. Back in the day I did Hero Mode with all 286 Orbs (and I think I'm dumb enough to do it again). The first Jak & Daxter game just speaks to me more. As I've said, the original game is something I have trouble putting down. I can't play Jak II for more than a couple missions at a time.
Eh the vehicles are fine in Jak II, just don't try to drive them like cars with wheels because they aren't.
The Jak series already played and ran fine on the PS2. Paying money for a marginal resolution bump (That alledgedly isn't even HD?) and missing effects isn't that compelling of a package. I was hoping for 720P and even some updated textures ala Ico/SotC.
The Jak series already played and ran fine on the PS2. Paying money for a marginal resolution bump (That alledgedly isn't even HD?) and missing effects isn't that compelling of a package. I was hoping for 720P and even some updated textures ala Ico/SotC.
*bows*
how the fuck where you able to beat this on hero mode:
Not exactly that part, I think the part shown is the first on-rails shooting part of the drill platform. The god-awful-noone-playtested-this-pos-on-hero-mode part comes after it.
I managed to get almost every orb on hero mode, but the ones that come after that part. Had to glitch myself into the tomb of mar to skip the drill platform.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Finally decided to download this. I've only played the original and really loved it, 100% completed it on PS2. Never got around to playing the others, they seemed like a pretty big departure from the original (like really why do we need guns? What was wrong with Yellow Eco?)
Really looking forward to this though because I have literally seen nothing from 2 or 3 save a few screen shots, this will be like the old times having no clue what to expect when I start up the game.
Really looking forward to this though because I have literally seen nothing from 2 or 3 save a few screen shots, this will be like the old times having no clue what to expect when I start up the game.
Finished Jak 2.
Umm I know we like to complain about modern games using a checkpoint every 10 feet but this game is the polar opposite. They give out about 1 or 2 checkpoints in each mission, which most last 20-30+ minutes and can be rather difficult. I didn't remember it being as bad with that as it was.
Still enjoyed myself though. Got every trophy except the last 2 Precursor orb ones.
Umm I know we like to complain about modern games using a checkpoint every 10 feet but this game is the polar opposite. They give out about 1 or 2 checkpoints in each mission, which most last 20-30+ minutes and can be rather difficult. I didn't remember it being as bad with that as it was.
Still enjoyed myself though. Got every trophy except the last 2 Precursor orb ones.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Just finished Jak & Daxter which is the only one I've ever played before, but it gives you a check point in seeminly every new room you enter. About to start Jak 2 for the first time, but that seems odd they wouldn't follow the check point madness.
nincompoop
Banned
On the contrary, checkpoints were a big issue in Jak 1 and 3 in that there were way too many of them. Jak 2 was the only one that got them right.
They definitely did not get it right. I shouldn't have to keep doing 75% of a 10+ minute mission because there wasn't ANY checkpoints. It would be one thing if the game was easy, but it can get pretty brutal.
nincompoop
Banned
You've been babied too much by modern games. Back in the day, if you wanted to complete a game you had to EARN it.
*bows*
how the fuck where you able to beat this on hero mode:
Not exactly that part, I think the part shown is the first on-rails shooting part of the drill platform. The god-awful-noone-playtested-this-pos-on-hero-mode part comes after it.
I managed to get almost every orb on hero mode, but the ones that come after that part. Had to glitch myself into the tomb of mar to skip the drill platform.
There's actually a really simple way to cheese that mission and make it far easier that I figured out. Not easy, and it will still take a few tries, but far easier. It's been years since I played it, but basically all the enemy ships that attack while you're moving along the track have already spawned before you board the turret; only the ones that show up while stationary actually spawn during the mission. Make sure you've collected enough metal head gems to have giant dark Jak and well as the dark blast. Turn into Dark Jak and just over the energy grid that blocks the turret rails. Then do a dark blast and you'll destroy ALL the ships before the stationary part (and maybe afterwards as well; don't remember). Still not simply by any stretch, but quite doable if you give it a few tries.
Note that this was on the PS2 version, so I can't promise it wasn't fixed in the HD Collection. If it was, God help you.
*bows*
how the fuck where you able to beat this on hero mode:
Not exactly that part, I think the part shown is the first on-rails shooting part of the drill platform. The god-awful-noone-playtested-this-pos-on-hero-mode part comes after it.
I managed to get almost every orb on hero mode, but the ones that come after that part. Had to glitch myself into the tomb of mar to skip the drill platform.
Hah, some of those segments on Hero Mode were pretty frustrating! You got me thinking and I wanted to double check to see if my save file really was on Hero mode. I actually took a few pictures for proof. I'm sure tons of people did this back in the day so it's not something I feel too proud of, but it is fun to boot up old files for games you haven't played in ages. The Mega Scrap Book was a reward/unlockable for earning at least 200 Orbs on Hero Mode. I'm actually looking forward to replaying this mode to see if it really was that hard back then, lol!
Yeah and Jak 2 is a perfect example of a game that used unfair tactics to make it more difficult than it really was. Like I said I don't need a checkpoint every 5 feet but I don't want to constantly re-do the majority of a mission after each death.
Goddamn I forgot how much fucking FUN Jak 2 is. I've played it like 8 hours today. This was my favorite game on the PS2 when I was younger. I hadn't played the game in like 6+ years, so I was worried (after realizing how much a lot of GAF hates it) that I wouldn't find it as fun as I used to, but it's still so fucking amazing.
Just beat Mar's Tomb. Such a great level. Really loving Jak II save for a few missions here and there. The checkpoints don't bother me much, but all the travel between missions isn't very fun. Go to one end of the city to get a mission then go back across the city to get to the mission start. Seems like a bit much at times is all.
DualShadow
Member
*bows*
how the fuck where you able to beat this on hero mode:
Not exactly that part, I think the part shown is the first on-rails shooting part of the drill platform. The god-awful-noone-playtested-this-pos-on-hero-mode part comes after it.
I managed to get almost every orb on hero mode, but the ones that come after that part. Had to glitch myself into the tomb of mar to skip the drill platform.
Fuck this part, I stopped my Hero play through because of this.
You know, I've never played any Jak games past the first one. Kind of jarring to see how differently it went.
That said, I guess I'm in the minority because I'm enjoying 2 a lot more than 1 so far. Mostly a theme thing. I'm far more into the sci-fi or modern stuff than the weird, jungle vibe I got from the first. Also, I wanted to strangle the green sage and his daughter.
That said, I guess I'm in the minority because I'm enjoying 2 a lot more than 1 so far. Mostly a theme thing. I'm far more into the sci-fi or modern stuff than the weird, jungle vibe I got from the first. Also, I wanted to strangle the green sage and his daughter.
nincompoop
Banned
I don't think you're in the minority there, I think most people who actually played Jak 2 and didn't write it off immediately because oh noez teh machoor!!! realize that it's a far superior game.
J&D1 install size from PSN is 992 MB. So no, they didn't. It was a DVD game.
You know, the more I replay Jak II the more I am liking it, a lot. I just replayed The Tomb of Mar and it was fucking awesome! So ridiculously well designed! Oh, and I cannot believe I forgot about the very obvious
homage. Very classy!
I think I was a little too harsh on it before. Jak II is definitely cool as shit. It's different, but for whatever it's going for it does it extremely well. However, there are a few missions in-between the VERY good missions that are still not fun. The escort mission with the kid was frustrating as well as the infamous dock ambush. I died a bunch again during that segment and it was simply NOT FUN. I can't imagine doing some of this again on Hero, it's going to be a mess, I'm sure.
I just think the majority of the city missions suck dick. I understand that they are there to flesh out the game more, but they pale in comparison to the areas/scenarios outside of the city walls. Escorting, driving hideout members to their specific destinations, and my god, the turret sections can get the fuck out of here. Jak & Daxter may have some of the trappings/cliches of a Mario style platformer, but Jak II clearly provides all the frustrations of open world, GTA style games. For me, it comes down to preference. They are both very good at what they are striving to achieve, I just fine the original J&D to just be more consistently fun.
Crash Bandicoot
I think I was a little too harsh on it before. Jak II is definitely cool as shit. It's different, but for whatever it's going for it does it extremely well. However, there are a few missions in-between the VERY good missions that are still not fun. The escort mission with the kid was frustrating as well as the infamous dock ambush. I died a bunch again during that segment and it was simply NOT FUN. I can't imagine doing some of this again on Hero, it's going to be a mess, I'm sure.
I just think the majority of the city missions suck dick. I understand that they are there to flesh out the game more, but they pale in comparison to the areas/scenarios outside of the city walls. Escorting, driving hideout members to their specific destinations, and my god, the turret sections can get the fuck out of here. Jak & Daxter may have some of the trappings/cliches of a Mario style platformer, but Jak II clearly provides all the frustrations of open world, GTA style games. For me, it comes down to preference. They are both very good at what they are striving to achieve, I just fine the original J&D to just be more consistently fun.
Callibretto
Member
Shadow2222
Member
Just finished Jak II as well, and the lack of checkpoints was really getting annoying! Still a great game though. On to Jak 3!
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
Edag Plata
Banned
No problems here...only thing is where is that person who said Jak and Daxter is better than Banjo-Kazooie. I must disagree. This is my first time playing these games and BK is a huge step ahead of JD. Though I am having a blast playing these for the first time.
Controls are a bit rough though, at least in the first game (the only one I've been working on so far...)