I'll add to this list by saying that I love how much more of a presence Kira has than Dio. He's had two entire episodes dedicated to him just living his life. DIO was just never around and was therefore less threatening and less likeable imo. And I love DIO.
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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable OT What a Beautiful Duwang
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I'll add to this list by saying that I love how much more of a presence Kira has than Dio. He's had two entire episodes dedicated to him just living his life. DIO was just never around and was therefore less threatening and less likeable imo. And I love DIO.
It went from chasing the guy who is creating stands, to chasing the super powerful stand who stole the bow and arrow to now chasing a serial killer with no ties to what happened before. I like some individual moments but I would have preferred if it was just collection of vignettes in Morioh instead of this attempt to have a unifying goal that changes every few episodes or so.
It's also kinda strange how quickly characters like Rohan are just part of the crew now considering the heinous shit they did. Shigechi was created to give some personal stakes to the whole Kira thing but at least his stand was cool.
Like I said, Part 3 was Araki just trying out stuff which is clear how it from the tarot cards to Egyptian gods after he ran out or Avdol coming back from being clearly killed but there was a reason for the journey and why they kept running into enemy stand users. Part 4 wants to have both just trying out stuff like Antonio while also having a looming threat that needs to addressed, but not really.
I feel like there would need to be at least another person with those two to get anything done. Kira seems like the type to immediately notice Josuke hanging back, so having just one other person with him becomes a major liability with how quickly Kira will figure out that racket.
I always feel like the Stands with the simplest powers are the hardest to counter effectively. The only reason Pet Shop lost against Iggy was because he wasn't expecting him to effectively suicide rush him. Otherwise, had it played out as expected, I don't know how the hell that the rest of the gang would have been able to stop him without extreme coordination of their abilities.
I'm not gonna comment on the arrow thing but I don't see how the story being broken into separate arcs is a bad thing. It's super common too. The anime even has stuff the manga didn't have like teasing Kira throughout the preceding arcs.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Just look at it like different arcs.Everything matters by the end anyway.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
If you really want to get into it, the overarching plot thread isn't just about recovering the Arrow from someone. It's more about finding out why people are mysteriously disappearing in Morioh. Like back in the first Nijimura brothers episode, Koichi is in the school's library and discovers how the number of people who have disappeared in Morioh is 7 to 8 times the average for Japan. That sets in motion the rest of the plot from that point on. Some of those disappearances probably stem from Keicho testing out the Arrow, and some of them come from Kira randomly murdering people for their hands. It's more subtle than the journey to Dio, but it's still there.
It goes even deeper than that. Their stands represent their psyche & desiresa kind, selfless person vs a selfish person who wants to continue killing in secret. Crazy Diamond lets Josuke heal people who are injured and Killer Queen let's him completely kill a person in secret.
The duality is pretty fantastic.
It really is.
There's half of Part 4 remaining... and yes the character that's getting four episodes in a row is the main villain.
Dio never had this kind of coverage in part 3, he appeared in a few scenes, like cameos until his three parter at the end.
Whoa the first part of the episode was really dark, i knew what was coming but had no idea it'd play so dramatically.
The latter part was HYPE tho, plot engines finally moving at full speed now.
Is the series going back to monster-of-the-week format now? Or is it going to be fully Kira focused?
Poor Shigechi, i can only imagine what it feels to Josuke knowing what happened to him but not being able to tell the parents
The latter part was HYPE tho, plot engines finally moving at full speed now.
Is the series going back to monster-of-the-week format now? Or is it going to be fully Kira focused?
hosannainexcelsis
Member
And this is why Diamond is Unbreakable is so great. People who want it to be exactly like every other battle shounen can go watch/read those.
Whoa the first part of the episode was really dark, i knew what was coming but had no idea it'd play so dramatically.
Poor Shigechi, i can only imagine what it feels to Josuke knowing what happened to him but not being able to tell the parents
The latter part was HYPE tho, plot engines finally moving at full speed now.
Is the series going back to monster-of-the-week format now? Or is it going to be fully Kira focused?
Two or three more Kira episodes and then back to Monster of the Week with some Kira here and there until the final battle.
I guess I just don't buy that was intended from the get go and even then it doesn't factor that much in the overall story for the characters up till now.
But I've already typed up way too much about JoJo's overall story arcs compared to how much I really care about it. I was just expecting more from the season after hearing about it.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Whoa the first part of the episode was really dark, i knew what was coming but had no idea it'd play so dramatically.
Poor Shigechi, i can only imagine what it feels to Josuke knowing what happened to him but not being able to tell the parents
The latter part was HYPE tho, plot engines finally moving at full speed now.
Is the series going back to monster-of-the-week format now? Or is it going to be fully Kira focused?
split focused
The monster of the week is kind of Kira linked though, so it's not as random as jotaro and josuke hunting rats.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I can assure you that it was not intended from the get-go. Jojo is written on a week by week basis fueled by an overall theme. Part 4 just does a real good job of welding it all together.
I mean it's not like it's finished, your opinion could change depending on future developments.
Sure it could but it's not like the previous episodes will be erased either.
Later part spoilers?
Unless that happen, I've kinda spoiled myself into the fact that the series hard reboots after Part 6
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I guess that depends on how much you liked the previous encounters.
Yea sorry I didn't think when I first posted that.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
If I could say anything Stardust Crusaders has over it is a really strong iconic moment in its fights. I think every fight has something about it I vividly remember either due to its iconography or just general silliness.
Sure its shallow, but I still have alot of fun with it.
Dominican Power
Member
I love this part. This is a classic thriller. Araki loves American culture.
I think I prefer Stardust's monster of the week enemies more; the battles felt like they had more variety. The globetrotting was also cool and there was more camaraderie among the characters.
why don't you finish the part first before judging it.
Final battle in stardust is one of the greatest manga fights in history. Overall DiU is the better part IMO but I like stardust more.
SC has Polnareff. But DiU has Rohan so it kinda cancels out.
That was a fantastic episode and I have many things to comment on:
- Kira mentioned that he did name his stand Killer Queen, I wonder if that means every stand user named their own stand? Perhaps everyone in Morioh named their stand based on their favorite song. Maybe Dio had fun coming up with themed names for the stands he created.
- I love how Kira is clueless about stands and how they work, and how worried he is that people know about him. I was certain that he would have been involved with the bow, now I wonder when (if?) we'll see someone besides Keiicho and Akira using the bow in Morioh. Or if we'll even know who gave Kira his stand.
- Glad that they revealed Killer Queen's power quickly because I accidentally knew about it months ago and I didn't want another Dio situation. Having said that, his power works weirdly like Echoes Act 2 since the object itself doesn't explode nor does the environment around it react to the explosion. Also shocked that the Shigechi's face in the manga is the same as in the anime, I assumed it would've been much more gruesome.
- I was complaining about how I hated Jotaro's new costume only for him to get a new one minutes after, that was amazing. I just hated the sharp pin and how loosely drawn his costume was. Otherwise his part 4 look is better than part 3 to me.
- Pleasantly surprised when they gathered every stand user around. Although why was Tamami missing?
- I thought the button had blood on it, turns out it's just a hideous pattern. Dio is disappointed.
Yikes.
Except in part 3 we got an inferior Dio who rerolled and went for a purely fabulousness/theatrics build.
Kira killed people back when Rohan was a kid, logic dictates that he's a person simply born with a stand.
Remi's murder was done with different methods, he didn't use/have KQ then. Else he wouldn't leave evidence behind.
He wasn't comfortable in his skin before that Joestar bod.
Enya is old enough to have shot him.
Jotaro named Crazy Diamond in the manga, actually. David Pro removed that to save time and because it doesn't really make sense
I think of it like this: Killer Queen's bombs don't explode in the traditional sense, they spawn explosions into the objects around them. Hence why Shigechi only exploded when he was directly touching the bomb.
Tamami was missing in the manga too, for some reason. They added Aya due to the arc swap, but that's it.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
Part 4 Stands end up feeling more creative than part 3's to me, in part due to how a lot of early part 3's Stands are based on horror homages. It's okay every once in a while, but part 3 has homages to:
Child's Play/Chucky (Ebony Devil)
A Nightmare on Elm's Street (Death 13)
Duel/Christine (Wheel of Fortune)
The Blob (Yellow Temperance)
Mary Celeste urban legends (Strength)
Jaws (Dark Blue Moon)
Various zombie movies (Justice)
The monkey's paw (Judgement)
The Shining/"Here's Johnny"
There are still horror homages in part 4, like how Reimi's murder references an urban legend, but Araki doesn't rely on them as often when it comes to Stand abilities and fights. He relies more on musical references instead (like how Bad Company is a group of soldiers, or how Ratt is controlled by two rats), which adds more variety and a unique touch to the fights.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Imperfected
Member
Yeah, he explicitly killed with a knife back then, didn't he?
SoulUnison
Banned
Oh man, I felt so guilty for laughing, but the scene where Reimi looks up and sees Ghost Shigeki screaming and exploding for way longer than necessary was absolutely hilarious.
Every part delivers a different experience and different people like different things. It's not that hard.
There's no consensus on what the best part, although most would agree that Phantom Blood is kinda weak (in hindsight).The comparison to zelda games isn't that strange. Or Persona for that matter (P3 vs P4).
Anyway embrace the Killer Queen (not the poster) and enjoy the next few episodes.
There's no consensus on what the best part, although most would agree that Phantom Blood is kinda weak (in hindsight).The comparison to zelda games isn't that strange. Or Persona for that matter (P3 vs P4).
Anyway embrace the Killer Queen (not the poster) and enjoy the next few episodes.
Yeah, he stabbed her in the back after he did away with her parents and Arnold, which she showed to Koichi and Rohan. There's also the matter of the bodies being left behind, seeing as Rohan visited their memorial. Considering his comments about not leaving any evidence in 15 years, I would assume he got Killer Queen shortly thereafter. How is an awfully good question, but I'm sure that's coming sooner or later.
Goddammit let me throw people off the scent in peace.
SoulUnison
Banned
I can't stop laughing. I'm a bad person.
SoulUnison
Banned
Dame, dame, dame, dame, dame, dame, dame.
Also, I love that Okuyasu's just walking around town in broad daylight with his...dad-thing.