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[CadetMahoney]

What's the Sony sales forecast for Vita sales this year and how are they lining up to it so far?

I know they have one for the PS3, but dunno about the Vita.

Sony just keep kicking the can down the road. To think that low sales shouldnt be a concern because xmas hasnt com around yet is just stupid.

The difference between how sony have reacted to low sales and how nintendo did is night and day.

pretty much.

 

[ohlawd]

Can't wait for the holiday season.

 

[Maedhros]

Oh, I was really thinking where was the "bash Vita thread of the day"? Here it is.

Everyday, at least one topic bashing Vita, 'till it gets support or die.

 

[iammeiam]

Not enough

for the staggering amount of loose talk in that statement.

Will it be too early to judge when the holiday numbers come out and are just as pathetic?

It'll just be time to flip back to "selling within expectations." I'm starting to really believe Sony will just let the Vita crater at this point. The flop of the PSP2 in the west isn't really a surprise given the PSP's descent and the retracting handheld market (because, surprise, Sony's third attempt at a handheld gaming media player remained as irrelevant to the iPod market as the first two), but the disaster that is Japan is really surprising.

 

[Man God]

Vita sells like a dead system in the US and Japan; it only moves up a little when a new game comes out and then falls down lower than it was before. Will more people buy it in the US in Nov-Dec? Yes, but they'd pretty much have to. Will they buy more in October? Hopefully considering literally all of the big releases left for the thing in the US come out this month.

Will it pick up in Japan in December? Almost certainly would have to, yet they have no Holiday releases at all and nothing of any real note until March.

 

[grimshawish]

Oh, I was really thinking where was the "bash Vita thread of the day"? Here it is.

Everyday, at least one topic bashing Vita, 'till it gets support or die.

That bastard Sony putting out statements! grrrr!

 

[Takuan]

What's the Sony sales forecast for Vita sales this year and how are they lining up to it so far?

"Performing within expectations"

@Maedhros The comments made by this Gara character are threadworthy and absolutely deserving of ridicule.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

I recently purchased a vita, expecting a deathly lack of community and games from gaf talk.

Imagine my surprise to find out that actually, there are over 20 people close to me on near, and I live in an ass-end-of-nowhere town in Wales.

I also discovered it has some cool games.

I am unable to post in work, but I have been laughing all day at this thread.

'' vita will be gone by 2014 ''
'' vita will not sell this Xmas "
" vita has no games that appeal to mass market "

Etc.

To these people I ask this, with all seriousness.

HOW, the fuck, do you KNOW ?

The amount of crystal balls being stockpiled by the gaf community is staggering lol.

 

[grimshawish]

I recently purchased a vita, expecting a deathly lack of community and games from gaf talk.

Imagine my surprise to find out that actually, there are over 20 people close to me on near, and I live in an ass-end-of-nowhere town in Wales.

Sawnsea isn't that bad!

Spoiler

HOW, the fuck, do you KNOW ?

I know a buddy who works at

Spoiler

McDonalds

and he told me.

 

[Figboy79]

The past 8 months I've owned a Vita have been awesome.

I currently only have time to play video games during my 1 hour bus ride to and from work.

I already own over 20 games spread across Vita, PS1, and PSP on my Vita, a mix of retail and downloadable. There are currently more games releasing for the Vita than I can squeeze into my gaming budget. The hate this console gets is absurd. Like the PS3 and PSP, the Vita will find its spot. It doesn't have to sit atop the heap, but I'm pretty sure it will be fine.

It already has excellent software, and the hardware is fantastic. What more do you really want from a gaming machine?

 

[Currygan]

I recently purchased a vita, expecting a deathly lack of community and games from gaf talk.

Imagine my surprise to find out that actually, there are over 20 people close to me on near, and I live in an ass-end-of-nowhere town in Wales.

I also discovered it has some cool games.

I am unable to post in work, but I have been laughing all day at this thread.

'' vita will be gone by 2014 ''
'' vita will not sell this Xmas "
" vita has no games that appeal to mass market "

Etc.

To these people I ask this, with all seriousness.

HOW, the fuck, do you KNOW ?

The amount of crystal balls being stockpiled by the gaf community is staggering lol.

why so salty? We're basing our assumptions on sad, real sales data. About your third point, you ask how it's possible to know that. Well, its possible. Vita has no games with mass market appeal

 

[To Far Away Times]

I recently purchased a vita, expecting a deathly lack of community and games from gaf talk.

Imagine my surprise to find out that actually, there are over 20 people close to me on near, and I live in an ass-end-of-nowhere town in Wales.

I also discovered it has some cool games.

I am unable to post in work, but I have been laughing all day at this thread.

'' vita will be gone by 2014 ''
'' vita will not sell this Xmas "
" vita has no games that appeal to mass market "

Etc.

To these people I ask this, with all seriousness.

HOW, the fuck, do you KNOW ?

The amount of crystal balls being stockpiled by the gaf community is staggering lol.

The Vita's worldwide sales are tracking below launch alined Japanese only Dreamcast sales. I'm not sure what evidence there is to support that it will be a successful platform.

 

[GavinGT]

I recently purchased a vita, expecting a deathly lack of community and games from gaf talk.

Imagine my surprise to find out that actually, there are over 20 people close to me on near, and I live in an ass-end-of-nowhere town in Wales.

I also discovered it has some cool games.

I am unable to post in work, but I have been laughing all day at this thread.

'' vita will be gone by 2014 ''
'' vita will not sell this Xmas "
" vita has no games that appeal to mass market "

Etc.

To these people I ask this, with all seriousness.

HOW, the fuck, do you KNOW ?

The amount of crystal balls being stockpiled by the gaf community is staggering lol.

It's tracking well below the Dreamcast, and Sony is spread so thin that they can't do any more than what they are right now to support it. They can't afford a price cut when they need it, and third party support after this Christmas is slim to none.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I don't trust Near. I had 40 people in near proximity playing a day or so before the official launch. But there is no way that many Vitas would be actually around there.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm just gonna leave the current 3DS top ten here:

1: NEW SUPER MARIO BROS 2
2: SUPER MARIO 3D LAND
3: MARIO KART 7
4: MARIO & SONIC LONDON 2012 OLYMPIC GAMES
5: FIFA 13
6: SONIC GENERATIONS
7: NEW ART ACADEMY
8: LEGO BATMAN 2: DC SUPER HEROES
9: THEATRHYTHM: FINAL FANTASY
10: ANGRY BIRDS TRILOGY

My goodness Nintendo, with this avalanche of fresh IP's you are really spoiling us!

Bitterness does no good for anyone.

 

[SpaceBridge]

Out curiosity, did Nintendo drop the price of the 3DS only after Sony had announced the same price for the Vita?

 

[RM8]

Even in the most positive of lights I can't see handheld CoD and AssCreed setting Vita on fire. Both series have been on handhelds before, to not really amazing results (and wow, simultaneous releases with their HD versions, that's incredibly dumb). So yes, these handheld CoD and AssCreed games are on a handheld with two sticks, but it's pretty clear by now that doesn't mean a lot to the people buying one handheld and not the other one.

 

[GhostTrick]

Bitterness does no good for anyone.

Smoky can't take it anymore about that situation when Vita isn't doing well while 3DS is.
Now I agree with Sony that, judging a handheld in short term isnt good... but really, Sony isnt helping either. I mean, we still have to wait until E3 2013 to see announcment of games that would move sales.

 

[GavinGT]

Out curiosity, did Nintendo drop the price of the 3DS only after Sony had announced the same price for the Vita?

It was a month after Vita's pricing was announced. But I think it was more a reaction to poor 3DS uptake than anything external.

Even in the most positive of lights I can't see handheld CoD and AssCreed setting Vita on fire. Both series have been on handhelds before, to not really amazing results (and wow, simultaneous releases with their HD versions, that's incredibly dumb). So yes, these handheld CoD and AssCreed games are on a handheld with two sticks, but it's pretty clear by now that doesn't mean a lot to the people buying one handheld and not the other one.

Plus they're both coming out alongside the mainline console versions. This Christmas, it'll be a lot easier for a kid to convince his parents to buy the new Assassin's Creed for the Xbox they already own than to get them to pay $350 for a Vita/memory card/Assassin's Creed Vita. And even regardless of pricing, the console versions will be seen as the must-have versions.

 

[iammeiam]

I don't trust Near. I had 40 people in near proximity playing a day or so before the official launch. But there is no way that many Vitas would be actually around there.

Near in my neighborhood has dropped from ~50 to ~15. I wish I understood Near better, because I have no idea the radius it checks overall.

Out curiosity, did Nintendo drop the price of the 3DS only after Sony had announced the same price for the Vita?

Yes. That's a large component of why initial reaction to Vita's pricing was positive. Then they dropped the memory card bomb and Nintendo dropped price stranding Vita alone at 250.

 

[SpaceBridge]

It was a month after Vita's pricing was announced. But I think it was more a reaction to poor 3DS uptake than anything external.

Or maybe they realized they couldn't get away with what they were charging based on the value of the machine compared to the Vita.

Competition is good for all fans, I guarantee if Sony wasn't in the handheld market, you'd be paying $200 for the 3DS.

 

[grimshawish]

Or maybe they realized they couldn't get away with what they were charging based on the value of the machine compared to the Vita.

Competition is good for all fans, I guarantee if Sony wasn't in the handheld market, you'd be paying $200 for the 3DS.

3DS was dead at that price with or without Vita.

 

[metalslimer]

Out curiosity, did Nintendo drop the price of the 3DS only after Sony had announced the same price for the Vita?

It was a month afterwords, but you don't just decide a pricedrop that quickly so one was definitely coming regardless of whether Vita was coming or not. The magnitude of the pricedrop may have been determined by Vita's price especially as a pre emptive strike in Japan.

Competition is good for all fans, I guarantee if Sony wasn't in the handheld market, you'd be paying $200 for the 3DS.

The XL is already 200. Anyway iOS is current already a big threat to Nintendo and is huge competition. iOS is a bigger threat than Sony ever was in the portable space.

 

[Laguna]

Bitterness does no good for anyone.

Wouldn´t a PSV top10 have been more ontopic? I really don´t understand this childish behaviour.

 

[xxbrothawizxx63]

It's almost hilarious how Sony seems to keep saying that the Vita's failure thus far has been a part of the plan....

 

[GavinGT]

Or maybe they realized they couldn't get away with what they were charging based on the value of the machine compared to the Vita.

Competition is good for all fans, I guarantee if Sony wasn't in the handheld market, you'd be paying $200 for the 3DS.

The value of their machine is Nintendo games. Those who purchase their systems aren't making a mental "tech vs price" calculation.

 

[metalslimer]

Wouldn´t a PSV top10 have been more ontopic? I really don´t understand this childish behaviour.

Childish contempt at what he considers the "mario machine" dominating superior tech.

It's almost hilarious how Sony seems to keep saying that the Vita's failure thus far has been a part of the plan....

That's why I like Yoshida. He's the only one who's actually admitted they have pretty much been blindisided by this and were confused when their support from 3rd parties dried up soon after launch

 

[SmokyDave]

Childish contempt at what he considers the "mario machine" dominating superior tech.

Or you could actually follow the conversation and garner some context.

I won't pretend I'm not salty about the 3DS whupping the Vita though. I am.

 

[metalslimer]

Or you could actually follow the conversation and garner some context.

I won't pretend I'm not salty about the 3DS whupping the Vita though. I am.

Oh I've been completely following the conversation whereas you seem to have completely missed the point people were trying to make. No one said the best selling 3DS games were full of new IPs. Of course the 3DS is certain selling on the back of Mario in the west.

Edit: Now I agree that Vita gets an unfair rep games wise based on what has come out this year, but attempt to drag the 3DS into it just make you look completely bitter.

It's the best handheld ever but 'that don't mean a thing if you ain't got that Mario', to badly paraphrase an old song. People don't seem to want handhelds to emulate consoles so they throw their weight behind the single-sticked, 400x240, same old same old. Good for them, I guess.

This is just fanboyish and pathetic.

 

[Cheech]

Near in my neighborhood has dropped from ~50 to ~15. I wish I understood Near better, because I have no idea the radius it checks overall.

I think it's split in between northern/southern hemispheres. But it gets confused easily when you have Vitas on the equator.

 

[Schobeleth]

You know, every time a non-game related Vita thread pops up (and it's a weekly thing), I imagine this in my head:

If I wasn't at work I'd 'shop some trolls into that train. Can someone do that for me?

 

[GavinGT]

This is a game industry forum. When a system is doing well, we talk about that. When one is doing poorly, we talk about that. It would be dishonest to sit here and pretend the Vita isn't in bad shape.

 

[SmokyDave]

Oh I've been completely following the conversation whereas you seem to have completely missed the point people were trying to make. No one said the best selling 3DS games were full of new IPs. Of course the 3DS is certain selling on the back of Mario in the west.

My point was that a library of sequels, spin-offs and ports can do fine if they're the right sequels, spin-offs and ports.

Edit: Now I agree that Vita gets an unfair rep games wise based on what has come out this year, but attempt to drag the 3DS into it just make you look completely bitter.

This is just fanboyish and pathetic.

To mention the only relevant and direct competitor is 'dragging it into it'?

I'm not going to go another few rounds with you on this. At no point have I attempted to hide my bias but I would ask that you tone down your language slightly.

 

[GhostTrick]

My point was that a library of sequels, spin-offs and ports can do fine if they're the right sequels, spin-offs and ports.


To mention the only relevant and direct competitor is 'dragging it into it'?

I'm not going to go another few rounds with you on this. At no point have I attempted to hide my bias but I would ask that you tone down your language slightly.

I feel bad for you. Maybe one day, you'll be smart enough to enjoy both handheld.

 

[Schobeleth]

This is a game industry forum. When a system is doing well, we talk about that. When one is doing poorly, we talk about that. It would be dishonest to sit here and pretend the Vita isn't in bad shape.

Yeah but there's a big difference between saying "Hey, it isn't selling as well, the outlook isn't good" and "WOOO CAN'T WAIT TILL THE VITA DIES IN 2013 WOOOOYEARHGRHGR"

The reality is there are so many games coming out, many of us Vita owners don't know what to do with ourselves so, sorry that we're a little offended when practically every article that comes out about it turns into a hate fest like that. Most of us are just bummed out that such an awesome piece of hardware with an awesome lineup of games is under-performing.

I know there are level headed people who can discuss it's current lack of sales in a civil manner but ... there are just so many damn trolls that offset that.

 

[metalslimer]

To mention the only relevant and direct competitor is 'dragging it into it'?

This topic has nothing to do with the 3DS. The only reason you brought it up was some low grade trolling attempt. HAHA shitty 400x240 screen with all of those Marios!!! The people trolling Vita with the no good games and only shitty spinoffs while hyping/playing NSMB2, revelations, etc. are annoying to read too.

 

[Cheech]

"WOOO CAN'T WAIT TILL THE VITA DIES IN 2013 WOOOOYEARHGRHGR"

Nobody is saying this. People who invest in brand new early generation console hardware are sensitive. Rightly so, but I'm not expecting objectivity out of Vita owners given the reality of the situation.

 

[RedSwirl]

Honestly I am inclined to agree, and I've been saying that at the very least it's unfair to call the Vita dead before its first holiday after launch. Every game platform hits its stride during its first holiday after launch. Even the PS2 didn't have that good a library until fall 2001.

 

[MYE]

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

Another way of saying "Judge away after Christmas".

 

[bangai-o]

why did Nughty Dog studio not make a game for Psp Vita?

 

[UberTag]

It already has excellent software, and the hardware is fantastic. What more do you really want from a gaming machine?

Clearly GAF needs popularity. Because that's the only thing the VITA presently lacks.

I've already purchased 22 VITA games this year. And another 6-8 will be purchased before the year is up.
All of these games have a MetaCritic score of 75 or higher.
How many games did the 3DS boast with an MC score of 75 or higher by the end of its first year? Only 17. (I purchased a good number of those as well.)
And I've got PS1, PSP, PS Minis and PS Mobile games to go along with it.

So it boasts lots of games and critical acclaim.

IMO, anyone wishing for the VITA's death is defacto wishing for Sony's death as a gaming company. Because they really ARE giving it everything they've got. This is ALL Sony as it exists right now is capable of. And if the VITA dies, their prospects for success with the PS4 will be far less likely.

 

[metalslimer]

Honestly I am inclined to agree, and I've been saying that at the very least it's unfair to call the Vita dead before its first holiday after launch. Every game platform hits its stride during its first holiday after launch. Even the PS2 didn't have that good a library until fall 2001.

PS2 destroyed sales records.

Because they really ARE giving it everything they've got.

Complete bullshit. You would never see Naughty Dog saying they weren't going to develop for PS4. Same for Sucker Punch or Santa Monica. Also Sony's prospects with PS4 have absolutely nothing to do with PS4 as they are very different markets

 

[Zhengi]

I'm hoping Sony has some good Vita bundles for Christmas. I have $300 in Sony gift cards to purchase one I hope I can get Persona 4 Golden with that.

 

[RM8]

I won't pretend I'm not salty about the 3DS whupping the Vita though. I am.

Did you really expect Vita to not be beaten by 3DS at any point? Like people saying "well, it has the games I want, but screw 240p and one stick!"? I also find it funny than one stick is such an issue for you when iPad has zero sticks.

It doesn't even matter, though, 3DS is completely irrelevant to Vita being in real trouble at the moment.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Honestly I am inclined to agree, and I've been saying that at the very least it's unfair to call the Vita dead before its first holiday after launch. Every game platform hits its stride during its first holiday after launch. Even the PS2 didn't have that good a library until fall 2001.

WHAT YOU DID THERE, I SEE IT

Spoiler

even if unintentional

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Wouldn´t a PSV top10 have been more ontopic? I really don´t understand this childish behaviour.

For the curious:


1 1     LITTLEBIGPLANET PS VITA TARSIER/DOUBLE ELEVEN SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
2 2     FIFA 13 EA CANADA EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
3 3     UNCHARTED: GOLDEN ABYSS SCEA BEND SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
4 4     RAYMAN ORIGINS UBISOFT (CASABLANCA) UBISOFT UBISOFT
5 5     FIFA FOOTBALL EA CANADA EA SPORTS ELECTRONIC ARTS
7 6     RESISTANCE: BURNING SKIES NIHILISTIC SOFTWARE SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
9 7     EVERYBODY'S GOLF CLAP HANZ SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
- 8     MODNATION RACERS: ROAD TRIP SCEA SAN DIEGO SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.
10 9     MORTAL KOMBAT NETHERREALM STUDIOS WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE WARNER BROS. INTERACTIVE
6 10     WIPEOUT 2048 STUDIO LIVERPOOL SONY COMPUTER ENT. SONY COMPUTER ENT.

 

[schuelma]

IMO, anyone wishing for the VITA's death is defacto wishing for Sony's death as a gaming company. Because they really ARE giving it everything they've got. This is ALL Sony as it exists right now is capable of. And if the VITA dies, their prospects for success with the PS4 will be far less likely.

No, they really are not. I guess we can give them some credit in the West for Assassin's Creed and CoD, though I suspect neither will do that well or move systems, but in Japan- the region where the PSP was strongest, Vita's holiday lineup is devoid of a single game that will spur systems- it is the weakest holiday lineup for a ostensibly competitive system in Japan I've seen in a long time.

 

[bigmit3737]

I really want the PSV to do well, since it's an excellent piece of hardware.
I have a feeling it will slowly pick up at least in Japan, and do well enough.

I really wish the 3DS had a better screen and more power, because it seems most of the 3rd parties are gravitating toward the 3ds at the moment. The screen is just so bad.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

why so salty? We're basing our assumptions on sad, real sales data. About your third point, you ask how it's possible to know that. Well, its possible. Vita has no games with mass market appeal

If you are making assumptions based on sales data, that's cool. The problem ( although not necessarily you ) is the certainty with which some users post. Not salty so if my post reads that way then my apologies.

There are no certanties, and you cannot predict what will reach mass market. Did anyone predict that gta3 would become so popular based on the previous gta last gen? Call of duty this gen?

The answer is no, and I do not understand how anyone can be so concise with predictions regarding the vita, and actually keep a straight face.

Predictions, discussion within reason is why we are here. Blanket crystal ball statements are funny, and quite possibly foolish.

I hope that makes sense, my post was not directed at any particular individual.