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June Wrasslin |OT| When you lose, you're a jobber, when you win, you're Cena.

eldoon

Member
Still think this is a work?

100% a work - you give a live mike to a wrestler on a live show and he doesnt go out like cm punk did last year or drop f bombs or kick up a fuss . i would have dropped f bombs for half an hour and flat out refused to leave the ring ruining tna live show , then jumped to wwe where i would of got instant heat for my actions on tna - most likely media reports , news interviews etc.

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KAYFABE IS BACK in 2012
 
If you guys don't know, SoulPlaya drops his Kane talk for best-GAF. His GIMMICK, his CHARACTER, his 70S PORNSTACHE and all those things that got him over here in the first place are gone. I vote no.
 

Khrno

Member
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Kayfabe is back on a show where they are trying to kill kayfabe. What is real and what is fake? Swerving the boys in the back. This is late era WCW all over again.
 

remnant

Banned
It's completely different in the WWE than it was back then. Back then, careers lived and died on the mic and in the ring. They had to show that they could bring in money or else they got the boot.

Now? Everything is scripted. Every promo, match, punch, and even sneeze has to come from the writers or Vince himself. Meanwhile, they've got employees handing out false hope like with JR saying "hey you need to get over on your own too ya know just like the old days." Except JR's words don't amount to a lick of shit anymore since he's the company whipping boy who always keeps coming back for more at the stomp drop of a hat.

Rhodes and Kidd are great in the ring, I won't deny that. But they also had the help of famous fathers to give them that leg-up. And Ziggler? He can have great matches, but I'll be completely shocked if they ever decide to let him hold the Big Gold Belt or the WWE Title for more than a day since all WWE wants from him is his ability to sell.

Ryder never got the chances or the help. So what did he do? He decided to reach out to the fans and the internet and put himself out there. He did exactly what every vet tells the "young guns" to do. And what happened? Ryder was the most popular and requested wrestler in the business for a few short months. And how did Vince react? With praise? With opportunities? With a handshake? Nope. He responded with a humiliating character assassination.

Ryder as a comedy act is fine. Like I mentioned before, I never wanted the WWE to all of a sudden strap the WWE Title on him and shove him down people's throats. But I DID expect the WWE to listen to the very same people that they desperately want money from. I expected them to actually give Ryder a chance to show what he can do. Ryder gave the WWE tons of merch sales. Vince gave him a burial.

Makes sense, though. LOL comedy wrestler, right?
Tyson and Cody got a break from thier dad's? So tyson in NXT is a break and Cody jobbing for months on SD before he , not the writers came up with the "Dashing" gimmick was help?


Ryder had a run. He had a shot. He was on RAW for multiple weeks. He was a champion. Fact is he isn't that good.

At some point rubber has to meet the road and you have to be interesting for more than smarks in the crowd. What is the upside for Ryder besides his show and the merch that follows? There are better promo guys on the card below him. Better wrestlers below him. Better characters below him.

Again I ask point at the matches. Zach has had several on their lower shows. Where does he excel? In the ring? Not really. On the mic? Again not really. The best he has is a character that sells merch, which at least guarantee's you a job.

He is a comedy act. They constantly get mocked and jobbed out. He is the Eric young of the WWE and that's fine.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
If you guys don't know, SoulPlaya drops his Kane talk for best-GAF. His GIMMICK, his CHARACTER, his 70S PORNSTACHE and all those things that got him over here in the first place are gone. I vote no.
Gimmick? Come on baby, this is real. This is real.

Yes, I'm staying.
 

Khrno

Member
I'm no Beef but:



It'll have to do.


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"I enjoy people's opinions on my"selling out"for various reason. As if I'm supposed to feel guilt for being successful. Hard work. No shortcuts. If you're good at something, never do it for free. I remember people in Chicago being pissed at the fact I worked two shows in the same day. People who couldn't do what i do. When you want something, you go after it. When you work harder than everybody else, you get it."
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
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"I enjoy people's opinions on my"selling out"for various reason. As if I'm supposed to feel guilt for being successful. Hard work. No shortcuts. If you're good at something, never do it for free. I remember people in Chicago being pissed at the fact I worked two shows in the same day. People who couldn't do what i do. When you want something, you go after it. When you work harder than everybody else, you get it."
Punk is thinking like a true Libertarian. I'm not clever enough to come up with a funny Glenn Jacobs connection here, but you guys get the point.
 

Plywood

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"I enjoy people's opinions on my"selling out"for various reason. As if I'm supposed to feel guilt for being successful. Hard work. No shortcuts. If you're good at something, never do it for free. I remember people in Chicago being pissed at the fact I worked two shows in the same day. People who couldn't do what i do. When you want something, you go after it. When you work harder than everybody else, you get it."
Well someone has to troll the midcard.
 
Noone's a draw in WWE except HHH, Cena, Undertaker, and Rey Mysterio. They haven't created 1 new talent that is a main event level draw since Cena. Noone on the roster is going to become that either. Cena is going to ride the WWE into the ground. They have noone after him. WWE is designed now so noone can get over on that same level again. Look at who they have objectively and there is noone that can be at a Cena level. There is noone in FCW. There is noone well known on the indies. College athletes don't want to go into wrestling anymore. They want to train mma. You guys are all just staying aboard the Titanic as it slowly descends into the freezing water.
 
Gimmick? Come on baby, this is real. This is real.

Yes, I'm staying.

but I don't like your this or that! I'm the Complex Machine, meaning I have a complex that you're more over than me. Hit the Best-GAF thread, work on your posts, come back in a few years and prove us wrong.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
but I don't like your this or that! I'm the Complex Machine, meaning I have a complex that you're more over than me. Hit the Best-GAF thread, work on your posts, come back in a few years and prove us wrong.
It's all a work. I've been signed for months already.
 
Tyson and Cody got a break from thier dad's? So tyson in NXT is a break and Cody jobbing for months on SD before he , not the writers came up with the "Dashing" gimmick was help?


Ryder had a run. He had a shot. He was on RAW for multiple weeks. He was a champion. Fact is he isn't that good.

At some point rubber has to meet the road and you have to be interesting for more than smarks in the crowd. What is the upside for Ryder besides his show and the merch that follows? There are better promo guys on the card below him. Better wrestlers below him. Better characters below him.

Again I ask point at the matches. Zach has had several on their lower shows. Where does he excel? In the ring? Not really. On the mic? Again not really. The best he has is a character that sells merch, which at least guarantee's you a job.

He is a comedy act. They constantly get mocked and jobbed out. He is the Eric young of the WWE and that's fine.

How many matches did Ryder have as US Champ? Not including the one where they had him lose the belt to Swagger which helped start that godawful Kane feud. Because I don't remember very many matches that allowed him to show what he can do...if that's how you say the WWE works, after all.
 

Khrno

Member
Noone's a draw in WWE except HHH, Cena, Undertaker, and Rey Mysterio. They haven't created 1 new talent that is a main event level draw since Cena. Noone on the roster is going to become that either. Cena is going to ride the WWE into the ground. They have noone after him. WWE is designed now so noone can get over on that same level again. Look at who they have objectively and there is noone that can be at a Cena level. There is noone in FCW. There is noone well known on the indies. College athletes don't want to go into wrestling anymore. They want to train mma. You guys are all just staying aboard the Titanic as it slowly descends into the freezing water.


So list of doomed things in GAF:

- Nintendo
- Vita
- WWE Pro-Wrestling, besides TNA.
 

G-Fex

Member
Noone's a draw in WWE except HHH, Cena, Undertaker, and Rey Mysterio. They haven't created 1 new talent that is a main event level draw since Cena. Noone on the roster is going to become that either. Cena is going to ride the WWE into the ground. They have noone after him. WWE is designed now so noone can get over on that same level again. Look at who they have objectively and there is noone that can be at a Cena level. There is noone in FCW. There is noone well known on the indies. College athletes don't want to go into wrestling anymore. They want to train mma. You guys are all just staying aboard the Titanic as it slowly descends into the freezing water.

At least there's TNA.

WWE can keep Cena and put his picture on their gravestone
 
AJ and Daniels have to have wrestled each other more than any 2 people in any federation ever. They do a great job but I'm pretty sure I've watched/heard it for a decade.
 
TNA is going to be used by Spike to try and push Bellator and make it successful. So they are doomed too eventually once that happens or as soon as Spike gets tired of them or decides they want to switch strategies and no longer want wrestling on their channel. WWE has a large cash flow and will exist for atleast another 10 years in some form although they will probably attempt a stock buyback and go private again. Investors are going to dump everything they have once Vince McMahon dies. There won't be another boom period. Just have to face the facts.
 

SoulPlaya

more money than God
TNA is going to be used by Spike to try and push Bellator and make it successful. So they are doomed too eventually once that happens or as soon as Spike gets tired of them or decides they want to switch strategies and no longer want wrestling on their channel. WWE has a large cash flow and will exist for atleast another 10 years in some form although they will probably attempt a stock buyback and go private again. Investors are going to dump everything they have once Vince McMahon dies. There won't be another boom period. Just have to face the facts.
I think the WWE should just start putting up pictures of guys' faces, instead of an actual product. Say for instance RAW is supposed to start with a 20 minute HHH promo. Well, just put up a picture of HHH up for 20 minutes, instead. Do that throughout the show. It would save time, money, and it would give us something new to talk about.
 
Noone gives a shit about the AJ vs Daniels matches. Last one had a dead crowd and the match wasn't even very good. People only care about the Dixie fucking AJ storyline. It's like their first true ratings mover over the past few weeks. The payoff needs to be good.
 

Heel

Member
Mayyyyyyybe I should go snitch on Plywood for interrupting Wrasslin discussion for his MMA stuff. Thereby taking it off topic.

Mayyyyyyyyyyybe.

You know G-Fex, I think you'd be a huge Jon Jones fan. He's also a snitch ass snitch over the most petty of things.

To keep this wrasslin' related, here's a nice Rock Bottom:

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G-Fex

Member
You know G-Fex, I think you'd be a huge Jon Jones fan. He's also a snitch ass snitch over the most petty of things.

To keep this wrasslin' related, here's a nice Rock Bottom:

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And you're disturbing valuable wrestling discussion. You get out now. So help me I'll go tell.

Your pal Dream is on watch too. I'll tell, I'll tell everybody.
 
You know G-Fex, I think you'd be a huge Jon Jones fan. He's also a snitch ass snitch over the most petty of things.

To keep this wrasslin' related, here's a nice Rock Bottom:

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That's more of a back suplex to sambo suplex transition, FYI. Totally different.

*adjusts wrestling nerd glasses*
 

Heel

Member
And you're disturbing valuable wrestling discussion. You get out now. So help me I'll go tell.

Your pal Dream is on watch too. I'll tell, I'll tell everybody.

You can't revoke my Wrassle GAF card after I suffered through TNA tonight. No way, no how.

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G-Fex

Member
Yup Zack and Linda, and then you'll see the Hijinks of Mr. Macmahon and Triple H trying to break up the wedding.

Then John Cena stops The COO and CEO, and then he conducts the ceremony.
 
Then it's revealed it's all a swerve and John Cena drugged Linda and married her at a drive thru in Vegas without her knowing. I like this idea.

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G-Fex

Member
Is that the part where John Cena starts calling Triple H Son? And then he starts wearing suits with jean shorts.
 
Good morning WrassleGAF. People power!

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Fuck yeah.

OK, TNA...you've got my attention. Was Impact worth a watch?

Man, what happened to Joe?


This. He's just never been the same since the ninjas :(

Just watch their Ring of Honor match.

Yeah, little chance of it reaching the heights of Aries title win. That match was amazing. Still, I'm interested to see what a 2012 version looks like.
 

Striker

Member
HHH only got involved because Nash couldn't pass his physical.
The Punk storyline died a week after the PPV. They forced Vince to step down because his actions to CM Punk, and they inserted Triple H as the fucking COO. It got shot in the arm, but it was still hanging on. It was worsened even further when they had the ridiculous tourney for another WWE title, and that initially was won by Rey Mysterio, and then John fucking Cena came back and won it back again. Remember the awful Cena-Punk match at MM, and its terrible ending? What was that?

In what planet does any of that booking make sense? It was horrendous and killed anything that happened previously. It was dead in the water. I would say that Punk hasn't been the same since, and is now, in my view, just another guy. Whether or not he hasn't had the same drive he had before the MitB PPV, it remains true anyways.
 

Kyoufu

Member
The Punk storyline died a week after the PPV. They forced Vince to step down because his actions to CM Punk, and they inserted Triple H as the fucking COO. It got shot in the arm, but it was still hanging on. It was worsened even further when they had the ridiculous tourney for another WWE title, and that initially was won by Rey Mysterio, and then John fucking Cena came back and won it back again. Remember the awful Cena-Punk match at MM, and its terrible ending? What was that?

In what planet does any of that booking make sense? It was horrendous and killed anything that happened previously. It was dead in the water. I would say that Punk hasn't been the same since, and is now, in my view, just another guy. Whether or not he hasn't had the same drive he had before the MitB PPV, it remains true anyways.

Can't blame Punk though. He doesn't run the company.
 

Striker

Member
Can't blame Punk though. He doesn't run the company.
I didn't blame him for that story after the PPV. That was on HHH, Vince, and whoever else. A bunch of moronic stuff that could've been nice to see, but they killed it. Same for Nexus. Same for Brock Lesnar. Same for a good, clean World Title run by a face Christian, but all spoiled and done away with quickly because of Vince. I'm happy they've dipped into the 2's in ratings. And now they're focusing on a weekly rating rather than building up a PPV. 2000's WCW, hello friends.

But Punk can be partially blamed for possibly becoming complacent. Steve Austin made note of it, notably.
 
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