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Jurassic World |OT| WARNING! Safety Not, uh, Guaranteed | RT: 71?!%
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Just the first one
MoonsaultSlayer
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The original.
WyndhamPrice
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Just watch the first one. The other two aren't discussed.
Yeah that's my prediction as well, mainly 60s though. And I'll see the movie regardless of what score it gets as I'm still a fan of the series despite the sequels(which still had good things about them).
But I only see 73.
Anton Sugar
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Honestly, I get what you're saying. I've never been fond of the "leave your brains at the door" mentality. Any movie CAN be smart and entertaining. Mad Max, I'm sure, has jaded me as it has you.
Having said that, I take issue with the quoted post, considering the positives are largely all of the action setpieces, sequences, and dinos.
Matt Zoller Seitz:
Mick LaSalle:
That has to count for something beyond a "shallow" impression, but if you are looking for a really smart script and dialogue, this probably isn't it.
CheeseConey
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Going tomorrow night, Friday night, and Saturday morning... and the game comes out Friday too! Best time ever to be a Jurassic Park fan.
bananafactory
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Im excited. I bought my tickets last week hoping the movie wouldn't be trash
It seems like it's at least decent, so I'm now in full on hype mode
Im getting the game too! Can't wait to make my own dinosaurs
Watch the first one to get hooked and the third one to lower your expectations.
Watch the second one next time you get drunk.
VICTORsaurio
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I ended up getting IMAX 3D tickets, time to get rid of my 2D tickets.
bananafactory
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But I only see 73.
Look again!
I think where I disagree with this point is that at some point if you say films are works of art, then they should be approached on their own merits. I'm going to savage the hell out of some wannabe' high-minded film because they are setting up a deliberate expectation; I'm not going to care as much if it's The Fast and the Furious because they are aiming at a different result. Both types of films can fail in different ways and I think it's fair to say that a film like Citizen Kane is better than Bad Boys II because it does things beyond provide visceral thrills, for instance. But ultimately Jurassic Park is a shallow film in a lot of respects, albeit an excellent one. So I think you have to approach its sequels on their own terms as well.
I missed out going to Mad Max :/ Stuff came up and didn't get a chance. Ah well, later.
Still, you can still have fun at the movies, but it doesn't need to be something super intelligent or artsy to make it good. It doesn't have to be low brow humor either. I mean, it's Jurassic Park. I don't think anyone is really expecting it to be Oscar nominated for best picture or anything, though.
I guess RT hasn't updated on my end!
Anton Sugar
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Exactly. JP never felt THAT interested in the questions it asked via Malcolm, Grant/Ellie, and Hammond. It's always been a shallow experience--a supremely crafted one, but still shallow.
I don't think Jurassic World is posturing as a scientific/intellectual experience. It will probably pay as much lip service as JP did and then get to what everyone came for: the dinosaurs. As the sequels showed us, simply having dinosaurs in the movie don't make it good, so I'm mostly looking forward to what Trevorrow brought to the table there.
MoonsaultSlayer
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Jurassic Park basically CREATED this brand of filmmaking. That is what is behind the idea of this film. The summer blockbusters always raising the stakes.
If anything, this movie can hopefully make people stop and think that maybe seeing smaller things can be cool too. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to see pure dinosaurs in a film on a smaller scale because they're "wow enough". It's just, sometimes, some people need to be reminded of that and that is this movie's purpose.
If people rally and raise a stink, I realize that this movie is doing its job. Because execs start thinking "they want dinos? Let's give em dinos." And indie filmmakers may go "you call that a dino flick, I'll show you a dino flick". And nature shows will go "you think those are dinosaurs? We'll show you real dinosaurs."
This could potentially be awesome.
If anything, this movie can hopefully make people stop and think that maybe seeing smaller things can be cool too. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to see pure dinosaurs in a film on a smaller scale because they're "wow enough". It's just, sometimes, some people need to be reminded of that and that is this movie's purpose.
If people rally and raise a stink, I realize that this movie is doing its job. Because execs start thinking "they want dinos? Let's give em dinos." And indie filmmakers may go "you call that a dino flick, I'll show you a dino flick". And nature shows will go "you think those are dinosaurs? We'll show you real dinosaurs."
This could potentially be awesome.
Warm Machine
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For those that have seen it, good for a 4 year old going on 5 who has seen the original?
MoonsaultSlayer
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I'm taking my 5 year old no matter what. I was watching Friday the 13th at his age...
Anton Sugar
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I haven't seen it, but I did hear the body count is higher than any other JP movie, FWIW.
Well, 20,000 people in the park. It was only ever a handful before.
TLW had a high body count.
More_Badass
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The thing about this film that got me excited was finally getting to see Hammond's vision finally realized. I think that's the new ground that the other films haven't covered.
Now post-JW...
You know what kinda disappointed me? The deaths in the movie. Now, it may sound shallow at first, but bear with me for a while: a lot of the deaths in JP fucking scarred me. Gennaro, Nedry, Muldoon - they were not exactly gruesome, but they had quite an impact. They felt scary and filled with dread.
Hell, you could say the same about some of the deaths in TLW - Eddie Carr, Peter Stormare and the compys. The characters might not have been all that, but the deaths were chilling.
I don't think any death in JW reaches that level, to be honest.
EDIT: except maybe one.
Hell, you could say the same about some of the deaths in TLW - Eddie Carr, Peter Stormare and the compys. The characters might not have been all that, but the deaths were chilling.
I don't think any death in JW reaches that level, to be honest.
EDIT: except maybe one.
Well yeah, there was the group of poachers that made up the bulk of the deaths. Still wasn't too many, considering. The t-rex in San Diego only killed like, 1 guy and 1 dog.
That's the big draw for me. A "what if it DID open"? Not just people going to an island with dinos roaming freely. Although that was neat about TLW at the time.
EDIT:
As kid, seeing a guy getting eaten off the toilet was hilarious! It was the talk of the schoolyard because haha toilet.
Anton Sugar
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There is apparently an obvious lead-in/idea for a sequel by the end of JW, and it sounds like it's kinda divisive. I have no idea what it is, though.
I think the majority of the poachers were killed by raptors and there were over 20 of them!!!
LOL, yeah, well - maybe not Gennaro. I had such a strange, dissonant reaction to that death - I laughed at the fact that it happened on a toilet, but it still horrified me
HP_Wuvcraft
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JP1 is really the only quality, "good" one.
After JP1, I'd watch JP2 and JP3 just to know the history of the franchise. And it is an interesting one. JP2 has a great first act, and some real good moments (I personally enjoyed every single action scene in JP2), but ultimately is Speilberg phoning in the third act.
JP3 is so odd that it sort of doesn't even count as part of the franchise, more like a spin-off film. To clarify: JP3 is a Joe Johnston film. That should tell you everything.
No-spoiler quick impressions
Just came out of the theatre. Really liked it, although I left with the feeling Chris Pratt didn't fit (but it may have been the stupid dialogs). Also found the older kid way too annoying.
The last ~20 minutes were amazing IMO.
Felt like it took too long to start things up, but overall it's a worthy sequel to me.
Just came out of the theatre. Really liked it, although I left with the feeling Chris Pratt didn't fit (but it may have been the stupid dialogs). Also found the older kid way too annoying.
The last ~20 minutes were amazing IMO.
Felt like it took too long to start things up, but overall it's a worthy sequel to me.
Anton Sugar
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LOL, yeah, well - maybe not Gennaro. I had such a strange, dissonant reaction to that death - I laughed at the fact that it happened on a toilet, but it still horrified me
I think it was horrifying because the dude totally ran to a *safe place*. Secluded, in the bathroom, away from the giant monster--and it ends up getting him anyways. Like, there's no place to hide. This thing is gonna find you, even if it's by accident.
And then fucking Malcolm decides to be a hero and gets him killed.
P.S. I love the Rex's ALMOST adorable grunts of curiosity as it looks at him.
EDIT: Actually, question to those who have seen it: how are the I-Rex's sounds? Roars, grunts, etc., all that. Have only heard part of its roar once in the trailers/clips, but otherwise, they've been using the Rex's roar :-|
It really does kinda feel like "Jurassic Park Chronicles: Alan Grant" or something like that.
A big part of the first film was talking about ethics in science, responsibility of power, and respecting nature, but all they amounted to were interesting ideas in the air that would enhance and give flavor to the experience of witnessing living dinosaurs and the dangers that come when everything goes to shit. The characters lacked virtually any depth and were basically vehicles that would recite different perspectives on what the effect of bringing dinosaurs back would mean. They're not flawed, they hardly talk like real people, and are in service of the spectacle of dinos. The lawyer who can't stop talking about money, impossibly optimistic old man with a vision, snarky chaotician, fat unhappy backstabbing weasel, etc.
That said, none of those are necessarily cons, unless you have a rigid stance on what makes a good film and good characters. Despite what some would say are weaknesses, the film was incredibly memorable because of the way it was directed and truly inspired sequences. There's not much in the way of plot and themes aren't stuck to like gospel. It's a film that's more than the sum of its parts, and its ability to stand the test of time is aided by a heavy layer of traditional cinema and state of the art visuals integrated in a incredibly smart way. It's a great film and is among my all-time favorites, if not my #1 influential film.
I don't expect JW to come anywhere near JP impact-wise, but it's sounding like a good time and captures some of the magic of dinosaurs after over a decade. JW seems to have a tone of its own, and will effectively replace the previous two sequels as the first sequel that wasn't half-assed.
As long as they keep bribing him with money, he'll keep going back to the dinosaurs
I just heard one Youtube spoiler-free review with saying they thought it might even be BETTER than JP! I wonder if they were younger? Maybe they didn't grow up with it like a lot of us did. It's just something you wouldn't really hear.
More_Badass
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I havent seen the movie yet, but compared to what I've seen in trailers and clips, the big difference is tension. Those deaths in JP? Each one had build-up to them, were character-driven, and had a big "exclamation point" moment to highlight the death.
Gennaro seeing the vibrations, realizing what was happening, fleeing and leaving the kids, hiding in the toilet, ending with the t-rex chomping down
Nedry being a weasel, his clumsiness leading to his death, the stalking of the dilophosaurus, ending with the reveal of the dino in the car
Muldoon being the skilled hunter and cautious expert, the cat-and-mouse with the raptor, "clever girl", ending with the raptor pouncing
While in JW, you got a lot of people, squads of soldiers, more dinosaurs. More dino chaos rather than build up to individual deaths
Anton Sugar
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God, I would LOVE if they took the sequel into a more intellectual direction. Focus on themes, but don't relegate dinos to the background (of course). Instead, personalize them more! I think the dinos excel when they feel like animals with actual personalities, like any other animal. You had a lot of this in the first JP and then lost a lot of it.
Just came back from a screening. Not a hardcore Jurassic Park fan, but this is probably the second best in the series. It's a surprisingly bold blockbuster, not afraid to take some risks, but most of them pay off in a great way. Chris Pratt brings his best despite some poor dialogue. I'm really happy with how it turned out, the trailers didn't make it look too exciting.
Warm Machine
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Seems to be turning out as a good year for overall movie quality thus far.
you actually got it spot on despite not havung seen the movie yet! Build-up, tension - those things aren't as prevalent in JW's death scenes as in the original. Except in one case of (vague JW spoilers)
sort-of karmic justice death of a certain character
If SW7 is good too, 2015 is set! Also a super awesome year for games! I've been between JW threads and E3 ones all week! It's like a double-Christmas!
Just back from seeing it. I had a good time. Some real exiting sequences, and Trevorow knows how to pace. Some cringeworthy moments though...
And I can't escape the feeling it jumps some sharks at times. Also, reallysuckds i tried to avoid spoilers, but was spoiled about the climax anyway.
And I can't escape the feeling it jumps some sharks at times. Also, reallysuckds i tried to avoid spoilers, but was spoiled about the climax anyway.
Well, it is even referenced in the OP.
Anton Sugar
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True, that's a better way of putting it.
Falchion
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I'm fairly surprised about the reception it's getting on RT. From some of the early reports I would've guessed it would be higher but oh well. It's not like a critical consensus will stop me from enjoying any movie and with an original as good as JP, any sequel will look paler in comparison.
More_Badass
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To those old enough, what was it like seeing JP in theaters? I was born in '92 so I never saw the movie till years later, actually I had seen The Lost World first. Seeing the animatronics and CGI for the first time must have been jaw-dropping
Just got back from the cinema here in Sweden. I give the movie a 7.5/10 because while I enjoyed it, I wanted a little more depth to the story.
The acting was alright, and Pratt was pretty good as a action hero badass. Could totally see him as Indy after this! And the dialogue was just fine but I think it seems bad because the pacing is just all over the place in my opinion. The movie kept switching from light to dark, goofy to serious allt the time throughout the movie.
If we talk about the dinosaurs as characters then they felt real enough. They felt more like real animals than the humans felt like real humans....except in the ending. But it was still awesome!
But......while I am in no way hating on the CGI, the dinosaurs looked more real in the original and TLW if I'm honest. It's weird, I can see with my own eyes that JW's CGI is so much more detailed and they do look awesome but they still didn't look as real. I just can't explain why!
I could see myself giving it an 8/10 if I give it a second watch though, because it probably didn't help that I was exhausted from a long day of work and this damn kid that kept screaming "Those aren't real velociraptors, they are called Deinonychus!!!!"
Pretty cool that he knew that but it was still annoying as F!
(I apologise for being a terrible writer)
Edit: Wanted to add that this is only my opinion of course. Some might think the complete opposite
The acting was alright, and Pratt was pretty good as a action hero badass. Could totally see him as Indy after this! And the dialogue was just fine but I think it seems bad because the pacing is just all over the place in my opinion. The movie kept switching from light to dark, goofy to serious allt the time throughout the movie.
If we talk about the dinosaurs as characters then they felt real enough. They felt more like real animals than the humans felt like real humans....except in the ending. But it was still awesome!
But......while I am in no way hating on the CGI, the dinosaurs looked more real in the original and TLW if I'm honest. It's weird, I can see with my own eyes that JW's CGI is so much more detailed and they do look awesome but they still didn't look as real. I just can't explain why!
I could see myself giving it an 8/10 if I give it a second watch though, because it probably didn't help that I was exhausted from a long day of work and this damn kid that kept screaming "Those aren't real velociraptors, they are called Deinonychus!!!!"
Pretty cool that he knew that but it was still annoying as F!
(I apologise for being a terrible writer)
Edit: Wanted to add that this is only my opinion of course. Some might think the complete opposite
I like looking at bad reviews sometimes. While ignoring the lengthy fan reviews on RT cause spoilers, I noticed this one:
Sounds like that person doesn't like dinosaurs. When I read reviews like this, it sounds like they didn't even care to go in the first place. Of course the trailers already set up the story. Unless these people try and come off like geniuses, because they SO TOTALLY KNOW what's going to happen -_-
Sounds like that person doesn't like dinosaurs. When I read reviews like this, it sounds like they didn't even care to go in the first place. Of course the trailers already set up the story. Unless these people try and come off like geniuses, because they SO TOTALLY KNOW what's going to happen -_-
More_Badass
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Oh, how are the animatronics in JW? How often are they used?
More this?
Or this?
More this?
Or this?
I have to say I was afraid about seeing the movie when it re-released in theaters in 3D a year or two ago, because I thought it wouldn't hold up in HD or the 3D would be horrible, but it was pretty incredible. As close as I could get to the feeling of being in the theater for the first time (I hadn't ever seen it on the big screen before then.) I envy anyone who got to see it first-run though.
Anton Sugar
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Thanks for the impressions! I predicted from day 1 I'd care more about the raptors than any of the humans
Without spoiling anything (p.s. in case you didn't know, the I-Rex's
isn't widely known, so be careful there ), how was the I-Rex? What did it sound like?
Love that the dinosaurs seem like actual animals. I think this movie will check off all my expectations, but likely won't exceed them, although I hear the last 20-30 mins are amazing.
Without spoiling anything (p.s. in case you didn't know, the I-Rex's
ability to use camo
), how was the I-Rex? What did it sound like?Love that the dinosaurs seem like actual animals. I think this movie will check off all my expectations, but likely won't exceed them, although I hear the last 20-30 mins are amazing.
My understanding is there are very few animatronics. One full animatronic (which apparently is a great scene) and some raptor shots are a mix of human puppeteers with digital overlays.
I was 6 when JP released and saw it in theaters 3 times. The first time, I buried my head in my moms lap from the paddock scene to the end of the movie because it was so loud and scary. Each subsequent time I got a little more relaxed and was able to watch a majority of the film
Warm Machine
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It was amazing. The Abyss and Terminator 2 sort of set a expectation for 3D graphics. JP was that massive next leap. The trailers leading up to the release barely showed anything of the dinosaurs so every shot and every dino moment was surprising. That and the movie was just so well crafted. It was Spielberg's big comeback movie too as he had a couple blah movies in between that shook people's confidence.
It was a perfect marriage of suspense and ground breaking technology that put something fresh on screen that you had to go see. In the end I saw it 3 times in the theaters.
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