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Just as Xbox finally starts getting support from ATLUS and Square Enix, Capcom turns its back — but why? (Windows Central, Cope & Corden)
MiguelItUp
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Jokes aside, it's still a current gen platform that is very capable. That's really it.
Lmao, that's really low, but that's also Ace Attorney, which while big is a pretty niche series. Probably doesn't really help Xbox players regardless. I'm curious to know if there are numbers for something that's more popular/approachable?
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StereoVsn
Member
Damn, if anything I am surprised Capcom keeps porting smaller titles to the platform. Well, unless MS pays some porting $$ for some of the releases.
Humdinger
Member
Fwiw, I did a poll on this question back in 2018. Old data, but back then, 3% of GAF said they played only on Xbox.
Poll: Which Combination of Current-Gen Consoles Do You Own?
Which combination of current gen consoles do you own? Note, we're not talking about previous gen consoles. We're not talking about smartphones. We're focused on the three main current-gen home consoles -- PS4, Xbox, and Switch. I'm considering Switch current gen, not Wii U, although I...
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
3% of GAF are retards. Imagine.Fwiw, I did a poll on this question back in 2018. Old data, but back then, 3% of GAF said they played only on Xbox.
Poll: Which Combination of Current-Gen Consoles Do You Own?
Which combination of current gen consoles do you own? Note, we're not talking about previous gen consoles. We're not talking about smartphones. We're focused on the three main current-gen home consoles -- PS4, Xbox, and Switch. I'm considering Switch current gen, not Wii U, although I...www.neogaf.com
Cyber_hunter026
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Killjoy-NL
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I wasn't joking though.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Something is seriously mentally deranged with these people. I don't understand the sense of entitlement people like Jez (or I'm sure, Phil Spencer) feel Xbox is "owed" games simply because it's a brand that exists, or simply because it's been a fledging console business carried by a $3.5 trillion Big Tech mega-conglomerate's profits from other areas not related to gaming for like the past 8-10 years.
I think it speaks to an unearned sense of esteem; these people are so obsessed with Xbox still being the Green PlayStation instead of being a brand with its own identity. That's a big reason why the console is struggling to stay relevant in the global market to begin with. No one's interested in an inferior PlayStation. These people feel that any game (even 3P) that PlayStation gets, Xbox is "owed" that same game, especially if it's a Japanese title. But the only thing they base these things on are their feelings. They pretend as if companies like Capcom don't have 2+ decades of sales data on Xbox platforms to discern if a port of old Marvel games to the platform (without a Game Pass deal, which they might not want because it could cannibalize sales on other platforms) is worth the costs in development, optimization & QA testing for the smallest platform.
Especially when considering, most Xbox owners ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER SYSTEM that this game is going onto! Be that a Switch, a PS4, PS5 or PC...there is 0% chance any of the Xbox people complaining about this collection skipping Xbox don't have an alternative. No one gives a shit if you "prefer" playing it on an Xbox; as an Xbox owner you are the least significant portion of the customer base and you don't get to dictate terms just to suit your preference. If you genuinely care about the game, you'll pick it up on one of the many other platforms it's already coming out on, and at least one of which you own in addition to your Xbox.
I'm just so tired of shill press trying to make games skipping Xbox sound like a violation of their civil rights, or like it's some humanitarian crisis that just has to be resolved. It's nowhere near that important. And the biases are clear, because we never see these same folks complain when games skip Switch, or especially if they don't get a PlayStation release. It's the gaming equivalent of a certain political ideology where individualism is shunned and where being unique is shamed. Where equity is pushed instead of equality, and where equality can allow uniqueness/individualism, equity does not.
That's basically what all these fringe complaints from people like Jez sound like to me. The idea that Xbox missing out whatever 5% of 3P games that don't leave PlayStation or Switch (but mainly PlayStation; remember these people are obsessed with Xbox being a Green PlayStation) is inherently "wrong" and unfair, is hilarious. The idea it's entitled to have these games simply for existing, is ludicrous.
I think it speaks to an unearned sense of esteem; these people are so obsessed with Xbox still being the Green PlayStation instead of being a brand with its own identity. That's a big reason why the console is struggling to stay relevant in the global market to begin with. No one's interested in an inferior PlayStation. These people feel that any game (even 3P) that PlayStation gets, Xbox is "owed" that same game, especially if it's a Japanese title. But the only thing they base these things on are their feelings. They pretend as if companies like Capcom don't have 2+ decades of sales data on Xbox platforms to discern if a port of old Marvel games to the platform (without a Game Pass deal, which they might not want because it could cannibalize sales on other platforms) is worth the costs in development, optimization & QA testing for the smallest platform.
Especially when considering, most Xbox owners ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER SYSTEM that this game is going onto! Be that a Switch, a PS4, PS5 or PC...there is 0% chance any of the Xbox people complaining about this collection skipping Xbox don't have an alternative. No one gives a shit if you "prefer" playing it on an Xbox; as an Xbox owner you are the least significant portion of the customer base and you don't get to dictate terms just to suit your preference. If you genuinely care about the game, you'll pick it up on one of the many other platforms it's already coming out on, and at least one of which you own in addition to your Xbox.
I'm just so tired of shill press trying to make games skipping Xbox sound like a violation of their civil rights, or like it's some humanitarian crisis that just has to be resolved. It's nowhere near that important. And the biases are clear, because we never see these same folks complain when games skip Switch, or especially if they don't get a PlayStation release. It's the gaming equivalent of a certain political ideology where individualism is shunned and where being unique is shamed. Where equity is pushed instead of equality, and where equality can allow uniqueness/individualism, equity does not.
That's basically what all these fringe complaints from people like Jez sound like to me. The idea that Xbox missing out whatever 5% of 3P games that don't leave PlayStation or Switch (but mainly PlayStation; remember these people are obsessed with Xbox being a Green PlayStation) is inherently "wrong" and unfair, is hilarious. The idea it's entitled to have these games simply for existing, is ludicrous.
The Pleasure
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Didn't the trilogy launch on game pass?
yazenov
Gold Member
Insert the Xbox players don't buy games, they wait for it to come to Gamepass joke here.
GHG
Gold Member
It also launched on gamepass PC, what's your point?
onnextflix5
Member
It’s strange that’s it’s on pc but not xbox? It’s like 5 minutes work, to get pc game running on Xbox, are they trying to a message to ms, 
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yazenov
Gold Member
So all of the Xbox players are on Gamepass?
The juice ain't worth the squeeze.
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GHG
Gold Member
It’s strange it’s on pc but not xbox? It’s like 5 minutes work, to get pc running on Xbox, are they trying to a message to ms,
The biggest lie that was ever told.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GHG
Gold Member
That it launched on game pass.
Ok so it's just the guys on the Xbox platform that refuse to make any purchases.
To be honest it makes a lot of sense considering the way the platform has been marketed this generation.
nial
Gold Member
The Pleasure
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yet it's on other non-Sony platforms.
Punished Miku
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I immediately wrote that off since they don't own the gaming rights. But then I remembered that leak saying they license exclusive rights to X-Men for like a decade or something crazy. Definitely a lot of X-Men in there too. Who knows, I guess it's not impossible.
What has Capcom lost in this scenario?Youre loss capcom! I'll buy it on PC and play with my arcade stick there!
They don't even own the spiderman rights. Marvel does.
Marvel retains the rights to Marvel "multi-family" games and older game which Marvel vs Capcom collection is. More importantly I would love to hear the creative ways xbox fans come up with to blame Sony for capcoms other collections skipping xbox too, like Mega Man Battle Network Collection or Monster Hunter Stories. Is it not just easier to accept the fact that the platform isn't worth porting to if the projected sales are so small?
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DeepEnigma
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GHG
Gold Member
Thought you had me on ignore, so what you doing in this thread with your outlandish conspiracies?
Punished Miku
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I don't really have to accept anything. The main thing people pointed to for sales is Ace Attorney, and that just got announced again yesterday. I don't personally even really care about these games, or any 2D fighters. The sales argument is a potential explanation, but until Capcom answers people I see no reason to assume. Really small time games come to Xbox all the time. Just yesterday that Metal Slug mobile game got added to the store. A lot of people here have a clear agenda to only push the explanation they want. I am fine just waiting to hear what Capcom says, if they ever decide to answer. We know they are fine taking GP deals for some of their smaller stuff too. GP probably saved Exoprimal from total irrelevancy. Kunitsu-Gami is next month. And besides all of this, if the next gen system rumors are true, none of this will even matter to me in a couple years.
bender
What time is it?
Dick Jones
Gold Member
I thought the party line was 'Putting games on Gamepass encouraged sales' so are you claiming the sales would have been worse otherwise?
Things coming to gamepass is MS paying for the port essentially. I'm sure you would be happy to jump to these conclusions/assumptions blaming some other company though instead of looking at the financial incentive to Capcom for the port. You've done this numerous times in the past too.
bender
What time is it?
Klayzer
Member
My mix up. Totally agree with you.
Punished Miku
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I just thought it's not impossible, only because of the Insomniac leak specifically around X-Men licensing. I don't know what the reason is. I didn't claim to know or tell anyone to accept anything. It's just using my brain to look for some other explanation because like I just said, Ace Attorney just got listed on the store yesterday. So it doesn't really make much sense to think that the whole system ecosystem is so irrelevant that they won't put on a Marvel game, but they'll port an obscure Nintendo DS trilogy. But you're free to believe whatever you want.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's a spectrum, you see.
You play this silly "omg evil Sony exclusivity deal must be in play" with almost every release that skips xbox until MS pay up for it with your GP money whenever it's lost its commercial appeal. You played the same song and dance with Octopath Traveller 2 skipping xbox by listing some other smaller game that got a port. It's like déjà vu with you:
|OT| - Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
Jim Ryan takes stand. Judge: "How do you respond to these claims by Microsoft, Mr. Ryan?" Jim Ryan: "We'll our games do the talking." The lights go off in the court. A PlayStation Showcase logo appears. Jim Ryan hands the judge some popcorn. The PS Showcase 2023 streams live, directly from...
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Punished Miku
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Why bring up Octopath Traveler? This is a derail. I don't have anything to hide there either. It doesn't make sense to me. DioField Chronicles is a AA series that I think most people could predict was not going to find much of an audience on anything. It's just basic logic that Octopath 2 at least had a better shot than DioField Chronicles at finding a small audience, because the 1st game was on GP. That's not some embarrassing point to make. That's just the most basic logical inference. One is unknown. The other is more known, and millions of people had access to it on GP. If you are determined to retread irrelevant, off topic, old arguments, then you can at least tell me why that statement of mine is wrong. I made a totally logical point. SQEX's strategy doesn't make sense there. So again, just using my brain to look for other potential explanations that at least are rational is the way I went there too. And again, it's basic logic to at least wonder if there is an exclusivity arrangement at play, because those exist for a large number of SQEX games. I don't really care if pointing out basic logical things triggers you. Ignore me then.You play this silly "omg evil Sony exclusivity deal must be in play" with almost every release that skips xbox until MS pay up for it with your GP money whenever it's lost its commercial appeal. You played the same song and dance with Octopath Traveller 2 skipping xbox by listing some other smaller game that got a port. It's like déjà vu with you:
|OT| - Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
Jim Ryan takes stand. Judge: "How do you respond to these claims by Microsoft, Mr. Ryan?" Jim Ryan: "We'll our games do the talking." The lights go off in the court. A PlayStation Showcase logo appears. Jim Ryan hands the judge some popcorn. The PS Showcase 2023 streams live, directly from...
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GHG
Gold Member
You derailed the moment you started with your nonsensical conspiracy theories involving Sony.
There are at least 2 reasons that are far more logical and grounded which are discussed/touched on in the OP but you've decided to leap head first in to the looney bin. And all of this for a collection of games that you supposedly don't care about?
Ridiculous.
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You weren't just trying to suggest "it didn't make sense" you were discussing exclusivity deals and trying to suggest "that is the only thing that makes sense".
You intentionally skip the given facts though and insert your own silly assumptions. You entered a thread which had direct statement from SE telling you
"Octopath Traveler 2 isn't on more platforms due to an internal decision they made after observing the sales of other titles".
Meaning they probably looked at octopath 1 sales/players on xbox and estimated octopath 2 sales and decided it wasn't worth it. Instead you went into that thread with the same "maybe a conspiracy" nonsense :
Instead of accepting the stated fact that SE didn't feel they would sell enough based on other titles.
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GHG
Gold Member
It's the victim complex taken to the extreme.
Punished Miku
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They literally just ported Octopath 2 a couple weeks ago. Is the Xbox platform now doing better? Which game sold well enough for them to change their mind recently?
Reading your posts is making me stupider, so I'm done with this. I think your only point here is that you want me to stop talking, but it's not going to happen. I really couldn't care less what you post or think, so have fun with it. Doesn't bother me one bit. I can't even imagine searching your previous posts for anything. Get a life.
Kokoloko85
Member
Did Corden care when Square didnt put Octopath Travler on PS? A much bigger audience missed it compared Xbox missing games.
I thought he cares about the fans?
I thought he cares about the fans?
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
So ignoring Switch and PC Capcom games are doing worse on Xbox than Square-Enix games do? As in Xbox only sale roughly 3.8%~ of what PlayStation pulls in? No wonder Xbox had to pay Japanese Publishers to bring games to their platform and it also explains why they don't bother to do so if they don't get that upfront payment.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Xbox is reaping what they sow. They’ve conditioned their audience to not buy games. This combined with the headache that is XSS it’s not a surprise that the costs no longer justify Xbox ports. Capcom should ask MS to front porting costs.
It legit sucks for Xbox owners.
It legit sucks for Xbox owners.
GHG
Gold Member
There's a complete lack of reasoning of rational thought being displayed here.
Did you read anything he said or even the article in the OP?:
Octopath 2 launched on gamepass for Xbox. They clearly waited until Microsoft offered them a gamepass deal that made sense for them instead of wasting time and money on a port that wouldn't sell more than a few thousand copies.
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How did it come to the platform though? Maybe exactly as I was saying to you months and months ago?:
You're the one who needs to get a life and stop with the conspiracies.
Naked Lunch
Member
Sure, this is funny to the diehards,
but this post proves the point that there is something more than just sales with the MvC collection.
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy is on Xbox
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney Trilogy is on Xbox
Ace Attorney Investigations Collection just announced for Xbox
If the sales are that low - then why did a new Ace Attorney Collection get announced for Xbox just yesterday?
Punished Miku
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Dragon Quest 3 was also put up on the store yesterday. Fantasian as well is coming. So this is your argument here. Which game had good enough sales to get SQEX to suddenly change their mind? You have no answer, and the thing is I genuinely don't care. I don't spend a minute upset that I think you're wrong about something and we disagree. Think whatever you want about Xbox and I don't care, I don't quote you and start arguments, I don't try to change your mind on anything. I don't ever talk to you.
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