I just....I just don't understand this post.
Kendrick Lamar hype.... I don't get it.
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For starters, why Kendrick got to be a stan because he's talking to one of his influences? The whole point of the album is not suppose to be a bravado self-enlightened type of bullshit but more of a person trying to find himself through temptation, money, and influences. Kendrick not trying to come off preachy like Lupe and other rappers, but he's tapping into a whole entire beast when it comes down to depression and lack of self worth. Lasers was not Lupe's doing but the record label who suggested that he needs to brighten up his message and do music like B.O.B. Even Lupe hated the damn album to the point he had a mixtape pretty much apologizing for it. Nas "Untitled" album had a strong message but as Lupe it was all about the label instead of his creativity, and still the album was good but just needed some work in different areas.
Bottom line, rap isn't all the same and I approve of artists going out of the box instead of being a slave to what the general consensus desires. If you don't like the album that's fine and opinions are a god send...but don't cut an artists because he or she decided to do something that made your eyebrow raise. Let the music speak for itself.
None, imo there has not been any good albums since early 2000's
Include talib kweli and this as well
it's just trolls now, just think nothing more of them than that.
MoodyFog
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Oh, you're one of these people.
tycoonheart
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Throw Killer Mike in that list actually. In fact I will go ahead say that RAP Music does everything people are saying Kendrick is doing in this album, but Killer Mike does it 20 times better, with a better delivery and better beats.
"Critics want to mention that they miss when hip hop was rappin / Motherfucker if you did, then Killer Mike would be platinum"Throw Killer Mike in that list actually. In fact I will go ahead say that RAP Music does everything people are saying Kendrick is doing in this album, but Killer Mike does it 20 times better, with a better delivery and better beats.
tycoonheart
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Yes, its my favorite line in the album. :-D
I feel like if this was 50 years ago these people would be complaining the way The Beatles changed up their sound on Sgt Peppers.
pokeystaples
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People have been sleeping on Mike for soooo looooong! Im that fool that bought Monster in store for that full Warehouse Music price. Lol.Throw Killer Mike in that list actually. In fact I will go ahead say that RAP Music does everything people are saying Kendrick is doing in this album, but Killer Mike does it 20 times better, with a better delivery and better beats.
I'm a big fan on MBDTF but really the majority of its quality lies in its production. Lyrically it's rather all over the place and ham fisted. Kendricks work seems far more considered, with entire albums being interconnected and woven, telling a particular story or narrative in a more thoughtful way. Kendrick I feel puts as much thought behind the vocals and lyrics, as he does the production, and often times it makes for more compelling overall listens, with more depth and more to peel away at aside from mere musicality. I also like that he uses his voice to add to the thematic nature of songs. Often you can barely even tell it's the same rapper through the album, with his vocal range going from raspy, gruff, angry, immature, comical, characicature, drunk et all.
Well said. Haha
Im gonna have to give RAP Music a listen. Ive been slacking on listening to stuff.
Im a big fan of Lupe so in SOME ways I always felt Kendrick was a more intense and raw version of Lupe. I kinda enjoy comparing their styles because they come from similar environments but they're perspectives are so unique.
Throw Killer Mike in that list actually. In fact I will go ahead say that RAP Music does everything people are saying Kendrick is doing in this album, but Killer Mike does it 20 times better, with a better delivery and better beats.
Agree with that. Killer Mike cuts the pretentious bullshit and goes to the point, while having godlike production at the same time.
We don't all listen to music for the same reasons. My primary motivation is how does it sound? To me its not enjoyable music, and because my primary motivation isn't being met I dont care how deep and well thought out it is.
And_Gignac
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Compensation / making an statement because of the Macklemore Grammy's bullshit. That's what is drivin the critics hype I presume.
Or maybe his music is just THAT good. Music judgment is all about subjectiveness. Don't point in discussing what's over rated and what's under rated.
Or maybe his music is just THAT good. Music judgment is all about subjectiveness. Don't point in discussing what's over rated and what's under rated.
To each it's own. As I said in similar threads, I'm old school when it comes down to music. However, I respect those that have different tastes instead of shitting on them like some of the posts in this very thread. Sound is a good thing in music but without substance...it's just what it is...sound.
Pretty much. If the internet was a huge thing back in the days, I wouldn't be surprised if people went crazy over The White Album being too political and revolutionary.
Wasn't that long ago that someone here introduced me to RTJ, and the production on both albums (especially RTJ2) is so fuckin' sick. I need more.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Prime Mos makes Kendrick look like the corny Oprah book he so often is.
The second part of Momma>>>>The 12 homies at the white house>>>>Ms Fat Booty
If he is so corny it shouldn't be so hard to post examples, right?
This is one of the concerns that he talks about on the album, though. How the things he was trying to convey on the album being lost on the masses (the popularity of "Swimming Pools" and its becoming of a party/drinking anthem of sorts is an example). It's not like we have any control over how people digest and talk about music.
And to be fair, you gotta admit that a lot of the people who dislike this album don't seem to explain why either (or their reasons are terrible, such as therecordspins saying it's not relatable).
Why would you even try to compare them like that? Mos is coming from an entirely different aspect than Kendrick.
this...I'm still waiting for a legitimate reason why TPAB isn't good and why Kendrick Lamar is all hype besides the "I don't like thing" argument.
In the immortal words of the Jiggaman ...
"Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?"
Hell even I questioned some of the songs like For Free?, until I listen to it over and realize every song song compliments each other especially For Free?.
Hah, what?
I'm saying that the absence of people finding it meaningful is fact that his message is weak. Personally, I found it to be muddled and not at all emotionally evocative. It's nice that someone above mentioned Mos, because I think he's an example of one of those guys who'll get you thinking.
I don't think Swimming Pools was lost on the masses tbh, I understand the meaning and still blast it in a drinking setting because it's a total banger.
I see where your coming from a little OP. He is talented I think it's the reception and hype of the music. It is political, social, and different. People like different. Also when it comes to "Stans" and casual fans he's not Drake. People who don't like Drake, Big Sean, etc...tend to gravitate towards him.
I do find it ironic that upper-class A&R's, the surburbanites/trendsters, and faux fans are pushing this album like it's the first time Hip-Hop went Afro-Centric. Ummm...A Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets....Native Tongues anyone? I guess whatever sells.
I do find it ironic that upper-class A&R's, the surburbanites/trendsters, and faux fans are pushing this album like it's the first time Hip-Hop went Afro-Centric. Ummm...A Tribe Called Quest, Digable Planets....Native Tongues anyone? I guess whatever sells.
My conclusion is the hipster mentality of "I hate things that are popular!"
I fail to see any valid criticisms that are worth having a conversation on, the main ones I've seen are "I hate his voice..." His vocal inflection are a main part to his songs and they are there to compliment the tone of the song. It's not a very new concept in music but it hasn't been explored as much in the Hip Hop world. he will do a sort of crackling/woeful voice for song's that are suppose to be seen as him going through plight such as "m.a.a.d city" or "u". He would also change his voice to let the listener know he is either speaking in his youth days or from a different person's perspective.
another one I see is "he sucks/he's overrated"..... ok.... what about him is overrated? The man is amazing with a pencil and paper, his songs have great flow and his verses always compliment each and the way he uses figurative languages, juxtapositions and word play is definitely something to look at and appreciate.
Basically what you're saying is that if we don't suck Kendrick's dick by analyzing every metaphor he makes despite the individual quality of the songs in the album, and become entranced by the fact that he apparently has so much self-doubt, our opinions are shit.
You guys are a goddamn joke
check out the OT for the album. the OP never had a chance of bringing in any kind of meaningful discussion because he started off throwing out backhanded insults to anyone who liked the album.
I'll just say this album is Kendrick dealing with his inner demons, coming to terms with God, and hoping to lead by example for anyone willing to take the journey with him. it's quite powerful if you check your ego at the door before listening (not meant to be an insult, by the way. checking your ego in regards to musical enjoyment is quite common especially if you enjoy improvisational music).
I'll give it another listen. What I will say, however, is that the strength of an album that's trying to be a collective rather than focusing on specific songs comes from the strength of the songs themselves, and too many songs were average to make me consider the whole.
Nobody saying anything about opinions are shit...on my end atleast...
If you don't understand it or even want to try to get the album it's your decision. I just want a legitimate reason besides the usual "I don't like thing" argument. There has been some arguments that I respect and understand, but then there's that consist of shitting on Kendrick because he's just another conscious rapper which is not the case and comparisons with Mos Def when he's not that type of rapper. You don't need to suck his dick to understand the metaphor but at least give those that do follow the album the benefit of the doubt without spazzing because of feeling like being in the minority.
have lyrics up. it really helps. also there will be a few lines in Alright that are almost identical to some from Wesley's Theory. the differences in those lines should help you understand the overarching narrative to the album.
Moral Panic
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Same. People talking about "overarching narrative" and researching stuff to understand/enjoy an album sounds extremely bizarre to me.
Exactly...
The worst thing about rap threads in general is that there's no barely civil discussion and reasoning to some of the opinions. There's nothing wrong with a troll comparison here and there but folks are downplaying opinions which sucks. If the album isn't up to par then express the reason why without common nick picks. If you hate Kendrick's voice then the album is automatically going to suck. I could have hated Late Registration because of Kanye's goofy lyrics but it became imo his best album of all time because of everything surrounding the album from the content, the guest appearances, and the beats he crafted.
I shouldn't be required to listen to the freaking album 2-3 times to maybe get a bunch of jumbled meanings. At that point I'm like whatever. The power of meaning comes from instantly being able to identify with it.
And please, I'd be interested in listening to what you understood or "got" from this album so do share.
never listened to a concept album before?
I mean it's cool if you don't like that kind of stuff but to call it "bizarre" makes you seem a little out of touch with music as a whole. also comprehending the lyrics to what you're listening to usually leads to understanding and enjoyment. same as it's always been.
for you maybe. this isn't a one-size-fits-all scenario. people enjoy different things out of music. for instance music that is instantly accessible to me personally is also instantly forgotten, in most cases. I enjoy music that challenges me, both from a musical standpoint and a conceptual standpoint. something that takes multiple listens to fully digest is going to stay with me longer than something I can digest in one listen and then push to the side.
people are different
Not every album is made for one listen though. Trust me I understand what you are saying as far as trying to get the message in an album. For instance, I didn't enjoy Francis the Mute by The Mars Volta on first listen because it didn't have the same impact as their first album...however I came back to it and I actually ended up enjoying the record.
As I said previously, this is Kendrick's personal album...not a album for the masses. Of course folks are going to downplay it since it's not GKMC and it comes off heavy at times. At the end of the day I rather have an artist have at it on doing something out of the norm and receive shit than an artist that plays it safe by creating the same damn record in which most people that criticizing TPAB were desiring.
Moral Panic
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In terms of concept albums, I liked 12 reasons to die. But I didn't have to listen to it with the lyrics in front of my face.
I mean, you don't really have to listen with the lyrics up. I just find it helps. sometimes I hear how the words sound in conjunction with the music more so than what they mean, if that makes sense. anyway that was just a suggestion to the poster that was having some trouble comprehending everything from the album.
also I was more asking about non-hip-hop concept albums.
Moral Panic
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I understand. Sorry if I am coming off hostile. When I said "bizzare" I meant it in a "This is something I've never really felt to do" rather than "You are weird if you do this" manner.
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