Kendrick Lamar hype.... I don't get it.

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phanphare

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Moral Panic said:
I understand. Sorry if I am coming off hostile. When I said "bizzare" I meant it in a "This is something I've never really felt to do" rather than "You are weird if you do this" manner.
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hey no worries man. everyone sees things from their own perspective because that's all we're capable of doing really.
 
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Noirulus

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phanphare said:
for you maybe. this isn't a one-size-fits-all scenario. people enjoy different things out of music. for instance music that is instantly accessible to me personally is also instantly forgotten, in most cases. I enjoy music that challenges me, both from a musical standpoint and a conceptual standpoint. something that takes multiple listens to fully digest is going to stay with me longer than something I can digest in one listen and then push to the side.

people are different
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That doesn't always have to be the case. An album can convey meaning at surface level and still leave plenty to explore in subsequent listens.
 
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phanphare

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Noirulus said:
That doesn't always have to be the case. An album can convey meaning at surface level and still leave plenty to explore in subsequent listens.
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like I said, people are different. the way you describe the music you like sounds very unappealing to me personally. it's no coincidence then that an album that I really enjoy is something that you don't really like. I think we just have different tastes and ways of enjoying music. it's not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
 
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#COBOKBYE

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I don't like the album at all either. MBDTF though? Probably the most overrated album next to American Gangster by Jay-Z and To Pimp A Butterfly
 
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P44

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RP912 said:
Exactly...

The worst thing about rap threads in general is that there's no barely civil discussion and reasoning to some of the opinions. There's nothing wrong with a troll comparison here and there but folks are downplaying opinions which sucks. If the album isn't up to par then express the reason why without common nick picks. If you hate Kendrick's voice then the album is automatically going to suck. I could have hated Late Registration because of Kanye's goofy lyrics but it became imo his best album of all time because of everything surrounding the album from the content, the guest appearances, and the beats he crafted.
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I'm going to stick my neck out a little here.

I love concept albums, before we start. Whilst I spend a ton of time listening to rap and all that, I spend a ton of time listening to a ton of progressive metal, death metal, etc, classical, electronic. So my tastes are pretty broad. I'm pretty open to music.

TPAB was a highly intellegent piece of music. It was measured and clever in how it used all of its individual parts to convey a powerful message which wraps up well in mortal man.

My issue is that its also, for me, and I suspect a lot of other people, pretty obtuse. As in, once I had read through the lyrics, thought through it in my head and listened to the songs a few more times, it then came together. But its like, I don't get like any feeling from it, because its like there's this analysis. It's interesting, but its almost like the tricks used to make it such a good technical album hurt its emotive impact for me.

So, that's why its like a 7/10 for me as an album.
 
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Noirulus

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phanphare said:
like I said, people are different. the way you describe the music you like sounds very unappealing to me personally. it's no coincidence then that an album that I really enjoy is something that you don't really like. I think we just have different tastes and ways of enjoying music. it's not a one-size-fits-all scenario.
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Yeah? What kind of music do you like?

P44 said:
I'm going to stick my neck out a little here.

I love concept albums, before we start. Whilst I spend a ton of time listening to rap and all that, I spend a ton of time listening to a ton of progressive metal, death metal, etc, classical, electronic. So my tastes are pretty broad. I'm pretty open to music.

TPAB was a highly intellegent piece of music. It was measured and clever in how it used all of its individual parts to convey a powerful message which wraps up well in mortal man.

My issue is that its also, for me, and I suspect a lot of other people, pretty obtuse. As in, once I had read through the lyrics, thought through it in my head and listened to the songs a few more times, it then came together. But its like, I don't get like any feeling from it, because its like there's this analysis. It's interesting, but its almost like the tricks used to make it such a good technical album hurt its emotive impact for me.

So, that's why its like a 7/10 for me as an album.
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This is pretty much how I feel. I'm trying to listen to this album for the second time now and sure the songs have a lot of hidden depth to them, but by the time you analyze it the emotion and soul of it has been pretty much destroyed, barring a few songs.
 
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phanphare

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Noirulus said:
Yeah? What kind of music do you like?
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most types really. I'm really big into prog rock and all the different flavors of jazz. I really enjoy small ensemble stuff from the late 50's/early 60's and I also really enjoy swing and the more fusion-y stuff, both the prog-ier fusion and funkier fusion. I also really enjoy hip-hop, obviously, and downtempo music.
 
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SamVimes

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Noirulus said:
Yeah? What kind of music do you like?
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I'm not him but i have the same opinion. When i listen to a new album i give it at least 3-4 listens to "click" and i basically never listen to singles. I'm pretty sure it's dates back to when i got into progressive rock: i listened to a Van Der Graaf Generator album for the first time when i was 13 and i didn't really like it but i felt there was something there, after a couple of other listens progressive rock made up the vast majority of my music for years.
 
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JrBaconCheeseburger

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I have to agree with the OP i like GKMC but at this point everyone has just hopped on the hype train with the last album and it being a classic and blah blah blah.

I think someone said if he puts one more album he passes biggie ?? What the fuck does that even mean?

You really can't bump shit like "for free?"

I like kendrick lamar and "These Walls" is an amazing song that i have in heavy rotation on spotify.
 
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phanphare

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SamVimes said:
I'm not him but i have the same opinion. When i listen to a new album i give it at least 3-4 listens to "click" and i basically never listen to singles. I'm pretty sure it's dates back to when i got into progressive rock: i listened to a Van Der Graaf Generator album for the first time when i was 13 and i didn't really like it but i felt there was something there, after a couple of other listens progressive rock made up the vast majority of my music for years.
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haha yeah this is me with King Crimson
 
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RP912

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P44 said:
I'm going to stick my neck out a little here.

I love concept albums, before we start. Whilst I spend a ton of time listening to rap and all that, I spend a ton of time listening to a ton of progressive metal, death metal, etc, classical, electronic. So my tastes are pretty broad. I'm pretty open to music.

TPAB was a highly intellegent piece of music. It was measured and clever in how it used all of its individual parts to convey a powerful message which wraps up well in mortal man.

My issue is that its also, for me, and I suspect a lot of other people, pretty obtuse. As in, once I had read through the lyrics, thought through it in my head and listened to the songs a few more times, it then came together. But its like, I don't get like any feeling from it, because its like there's this analysis. It's interesting, but its almost like the tricks used to make it such a good technical album hurt its emotive impact for me.

So, that's why its like a 7/10 for me as an album.
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I respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from. There's some albums that people put on their top ten list of 2014 that I'm still scratching my head towards like J Cole's new album. My peers thought I was insane when I thought the album was boring and bland. I understood this was considered his best album but I just didn't felt it especially with some of the tracks on the album.

So yeah...I see your point.
 
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RP912

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JrBaconCheeseburger said:
I have to agree with the OP i like GKMC but at this point everyone has just hopped on the hype train with the last album and it being a classic and blah blah blah.

I think someone said if he puts one more album he passes biggie ?? What the fuck does that even mean?

You really can't bump shit like "for free?"

I like kendrick lamar and "These Walls" is an amazing song that i have in heavy rotation on spotify.
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Yeah that statement made me raise an eyebrow and I'm defending the album like I made it, but let's be realistic. Biggie was probably the best storyteller in hip hop next to Nas. His wordplay and style is unmatched. Kendrick is one of the best currently, but to put him over Biggie is a hugeeeee reach.
 
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Laz-E-Boy

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Music threads like this are always so weird.

You'll either like the beats and the way Kendrick raps or you won't. All of this "pretentious/boring/overrated/'x' artist does it a million times better" to describe the album, saying people only like because of groupthink and even some people insinuating that you're dumb if you don't get it is just silly.

It's ok to just not like it, just as it's ok that many others believe something like this is amazing. You don't need force yourself to like it or belittle people for enjoying the album. Different people like different things that's just the way life works, especially for something as subjective as music.
 
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Laz-E-Boy said:
Music threads like this are always so weird.

You'll either like the beats and the way Kendrick raps or you won't. All of this "pretentious/boring/overrated/'x' artist does it a million times better" to describe the album, saying people only like because of groupthink and even some people insinuating that you're dumb if you don't get it is just silly.

It's ok to just not like it, just as it's ok that many others believe something like this is amazing. You don't need force yourself to like it or belittle people for enjoying the album. Different people like different things that's just the way life works, especially for something as subjective as music.
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stop trying to shut down this awful discussion with objectivity and logic, nerd
 
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SyenceLabb

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Once the hype reaches a certain level, threads like this is to be expected. It happens with everything in life. I didn't think the album was the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it was supremely refreshing and there are about 6 tracks I will probably have in rotation for a considerable amount of time. I hope this album gets more commercially successful artists to take chances.
 
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vordhosbn

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I really like the instrumentals on this album, the lyrics are meh though and whoever said his vocals are the worst is spot on

the problem is that he hasn't even produced a single song on this album, so I don't get why he's praised so much considering he isn't responsible for the atmosphere (and the inner workings) in the record even.
 
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RP912

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vordhosbn said:
I really like the instrumentals on this album, the lyrics are meh though and whoever said his vocals are the worst is spot on

the problem is that he hasn't even produced a single song on this album, so I don't get why he's praised so much considering he isn't responsible for the atmosphere (and the inner workings) in the record even.
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Ummm the man scrapped the album three times so it can be right. If that's not dedication...I don't know what is.....
 
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phanphare

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vordhosbn said:
I really like the instrumentals on this album, the lyrics are meh though and whoever said his vocals are the worst is spot on

the problem is that he hasn't even produced a single song on this album, so I don't get why he's praised so much considering he isn't responsible for the atmosphere (and the inner workings) in the record even.
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so what though? Kendrick knew who to get for the album to make it as cohesive as it is. it's a collective effort where everyone was on the same page musically.

"TPaB is a fine demonstration of having the biggest ego in the room be the music."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/c...pimp-a-butterfly-jazz-robert-glasper?page=0,0

really great read if anyone is interested.
 
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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Prime Mos makes Kendrick look like the corny Oprah book he so often is.
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I don't know mos enough to comment on that comparison but equating Kendrick to Oprah seems unjustified considering how Kendrick explicitly rejects streamlined empowerment and self-respect dictums (going so far as to specifically call Oprah's philosophies shit) and embraces unruly contradiction.
 
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Cerity

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vordhosbn said:
I really like the instrumentals on this album, the lyrics are meh though and whoever said his vocals are the worst is spot on

the problem is that he hasn't even produced a single song on this album, so I don't get why he's praised so much considering he isn't responsible for the atmosphere (and the inner workings) in the record even.
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People are now speculating that Kendrick is LoveDragon since Terrance Martin denied it was Dre so yeah.
 
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BravesCountry

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Drunkensamurai said:
Don't have to be detail, it's my opinion.
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He's not saying it has to be detailed, but that your opinion is worthless and redundant in the form it is in. And he is correct. It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion without some distinction as to why you feel that way. Feel free to not expand on your opinions but just know that you contributed virtually nothing.
 
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Floridian

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Any album that gets praise & massive critical acclaim is going be labeled as "overrated" by some people. It's inevitable like everything else.
 
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lastflowers

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Extollere said:
MBDTF is amazing. Great album, loads of fun, if not super deep or analytical.

TPAB is amazing too. But there's no way to compare them... totally different things. I'll bump MBDTF in the car, I'll listen to TPAB at home with a pair of headphones on. I'm starting to think that maybe TPAB has more in common with jazz than it does modern hip-hop, and maybe that's where you're finding some at odds with it.
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This is exactly why I feel a lot of people just can't roll with it.
 
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lastflowers

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Dreams-Visions said:
many of them just need to give it more spins. It took maybe 3 listens through before my head started bobbing.
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It's one of those albums where I'm not sure I have a single stand out moment, but when I look at the tracklist I start going

'hell yeah at Kunta, oh yeah and the back half of u, and that Alright was a god-damn jam, then BOO BOO, the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice, and oh shit I just wrecked me......damn I loved this record. Lets put it on again.'

But then again my interests aren't the same as other people's and music discussions are difficult.
 
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lastflowers said:
It's one of those albums where I'm not sure I have a single stand out moment, but when I look at the tracklist I start going

'hell yeah at Kunta, oh yeah and the back half of u, and that Alright was a god-damn jam, then BOO BOO, the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice, and oh shit I just wrecked me......damn I loved this record. Lets put it on again.'

But then again my interests aren't the same as other people's and music discussions are difficult.
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yep, same here. before I know it, I listened front to back yet again.
 
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YoungHav

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TPAB & Tetsuo are both classic albums.

Kanyes best album is his 2nd one- Late Registration. I don't get the mainstream Kanye worship. I think part of it is the "z0mg it's that uppity guy that interrupted Taylor Swift I'm rebelling against mom by being a fan!" appeal. MBDTF is good but overrated as fuck. The best part of the album was Rick Ross teabagging Kanye on his own track. Kanye is just a C+ emcee at best that is lucky he was an elite producer.
 
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lastflowers

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And I like 'Alright' as a purely musical experience. You could ignore any words said in the song and I could have that on repeat


EDIT: Thank you to whoever posted that Billboard article. It explains why I find this album so interesting. Kind of like Kendrick merely continued his sessions after recording on that Flying Lotus album and spat out TPaB. Except he's been working on the album for a long time and his collaboration with FlyLo was simply supplemental.

He loves the music -- you can tell when you hear Section.80. You can tell when you hear GKMC. That's the great thing about Kendrick Lamar -- he balances everything out so well. When you want the gangster, there's the gangster in there. There's the backpack [rap] sound. There's the jazz sound. No matter what kind of music you like, you can kind of listen to this record and there's something about it you'll like. If you like soul, R&B, hip-hop, east coast hip-hop, there's a bunch of stuff in there. He's been able to like balance that -- and be on top at the same time. Not be the artsy guy that everybody kind of likes, but is on the low, like under-appreciated. He's like, on top.
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Extollere

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YoungHav said:
Kanye is just a C+ emcee at best that is lucky he was an elite producer.
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Kanye is a C+ emcee, but that's not why he's popular. He's popular because he's an excellent entertainer, and damn good at it. I can't count the times I have laughed at a Kayne line, nodded my head to an amazing beat, or just marveled at his unique combination of brilliance and stupidity. Kayne is entertaining, and he's easy to get. He puts out good music, and I couldn't care less about his technical rapping skills ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I can't take him seriously, but I can enjoy it.
 
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Takuan

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Took 10 tracks to get to a song I can regularly bump in the car, so I completely understand where OP is coming from. GKMC was more my speed, personally.

Edit: Alright, if the album was more like tracks 10-16, I'd like it that much more. Not a bad album at all.
 
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xHiryu

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The Heart Part 3 is still the best song hes ever released imo.

GKMC is my personal favorite, TPAB is excellent. People just hatin on the King bruhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Holy Order Sol

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lol Majestad on his typical savagery with the outrageous statements

this is why people don't take you seriously when you talk about shit you like
 
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