Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp A Butterfly |OT| It's The American Dream

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In terms of being a rapper, like flow and control, is there anyone better than Kendrick other than Nas? I swear to Christ, How Much a Dollar Cost makes Big Boi sound like Drake.

Okay maybe I'm being carried away, but this album is STELLAR.
 
Why did Kendrick replace "i" with a concert version of it?

Anyway, i'm pretty underwhelmed by the fact that there weren't any more "BANGER" like songs similar to The Blacker The Berry. But other than that, the album overall is pretty solid.

GKMC>>>TPAB
 
I really like the new version of "i"

It's a good response to the criticisms of the 1st version.
Yeah. Studio version was boring to me for whatever reason. Felt over produced and a bit too poppy.
I dig the more raw, live version he included on the album. It just fits better and has more energy. And hey, if people don't like it, should be pretty easy to swap in the single version.
 
only had time to listen to it in full the one time today and the first song I'm going back to is You Ain't Gotta Lie. it's probably not a better song than Wesley's or Hood Politics or Mortal Man--but this is almost definitely gonna be the song I revisit most on TPAB. so so smooth.
After 6 full play throughs of TPAB I ain't ever gonna bump it again. Shit ain't anything special. If you think I'm tripping revisit GKMC. That album is perfect and this new shit has one song I'll go back to.

man who spends 8 full hours in one day listening to one album and then decides they're done with it forever. that is not a healthy or constructive way to process music
 
It's not a pleasant listen initially like good kid was. It's more section 80 but with some very very political/racial subject matter. Relevant for today for sure

When I revisited it tho I actually kind of really like this. There's some real fucking misses that I don't want to listen to again like for free and u, and I wish the production wasn't so jazz-fusiony

But the lyrical content in this album is...phew. And how much a dollar cost, mortal men and blacker the berry (the only real production win in my book imo) are all easy top 10 kendrick songs

I'll probably also like the production too in the future tho, I can see myself kind of chilling to this years from now (and running for the skip button when for free drops)
 
Currently on my second listen and loving every single thing on the album. Mortal Man, U, King Kunta and Blacker the Berry are clear standouts for me. (I'm still amazed by U though, God damn).
I kinda like for free as well, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Love it. I listened the whole way through and I was trying to figure out who he was talking to throughout the album and then I thought "Ah, he's probably talking to Tupac." and then when Tupac started to talk back I got chills for a second.

I have no idea if this makes sense but I don't feel like any of the songs are that amazing by themselves but all together, listening from start to finish, it all comes together and is a lot better.
 
I'm sure some will find it blasphemous, but I made an edit of the album where I stripped out all the interludes/ spoken word sections/ tupac interviews and then narrowed it down to (what I feel are) the 10 best songs. It's absolutely killer now that it's not constantly testing my patience. It's just a sleeker, if more conventional, rap album that I can easily jam to. What I did:

01 Wesley's Theory - removed intro. It now starts at "Hit me!"
02 King Kunta - removed spoken word outro
03 These Walls - removed spoken word intro/outro
04 Alright - removed spoken word outro
05 Hood Politics - removed spoken word outro
06 How Much A Dollar Cost - no change
07 The Blacker The Berry - no change
08 You Ain't Gotta Lie - earlier fade out
09 i - single version (I prefer the album vocals, but this works better for me overall)
10 Mortal Man - fade out before Tupac

Comes in at about 40 minutes. It won't replace the original album for me, but so far it's really helping me get into it.
 
I'm sure some will find it blasphemous, but I made an edit of the album where I stripped out all the interludes/ spoken word sections/ tupac interviews and then narrowed it down to (what I feel are) the 10 best songs. It's absolutely killer now that it's not constantly testing my patience. It's just a sleeker, if more conventional, rap album that I can easily jam to. What I did:

01 Wesley's Theory - removed intro. It now starts at "Hit me!"
02 King Kunta - removed spoken word outro
03 These Walls - removed spoken word intro/outro
04 Alright - removed spoken word outro
05 Hood Politics - removed spoken word outro
06 How Much A Dollar Cost - no change
07 The Blacker The Berry - no change
08 You Ain't Gotta Lie - earlier fade out
09 i - single version (I prefer the album vocals, but this works better for me overall)
10 Mortal Man - fade out before Tupac

Comes in at about 40 minutes. It won't replace the original album for me, but so far it's really helping me get into it.
You removed Momma?
I love that track.
 
I'm sure some will find it blasphemous, but I made an edit of the album where I stripped out all the interludes/ spoken word sections/ tupac interviews and then narrowed it down to (what I feel are) the 10 best songs. It's absolutely killer now that it's not constantly testing my patience. It's just a sleeker, if more conventional, rap album that I can easily jam to. What I did:

01 Wesley's Theory - removed intro. It now starts at "Hit me!"
02 King Kunta - removed spoken word outro
03 These Walls - removed spoken word intro/outro
04 Alright - removed spoken word outro
05 Hood Politics - removed spoken word outro
06 How Much A Dollar Cost - no change
07 The Blacker The Berry - no change
08 You Ain't Gotta Lie - earlier fade out
09 i - single version (I prefer the album vocals, but this works better for me overall)
10 Mortal Man - fade out before Tupac

Comes in at about 40 minutes. It won't replace the original album for me, but so far it's really helping me get into it.

This reads like a Festival set, could work. I consider it blasphemous in a way, but admire the effort. I'll be grinding out 80 min full playthroughs of this album for a long time personally.
 
I don't see why people feel the need to compare it so soon to GKMC. Give it a bit. That said I do love the hell out of this album right now.

You guys might be interested that Kanye tweeted this today. Didn't see it here.
KENDRICK IS AN INSPIRATION. THANK YOU FOR THE VIBRATIONS AND THE SPIRIT. YOUR MEANING, MESSAGE AND EXECUTION ARE GIFTS TO THE WORLD.
 
From Reddit:

The entire album is explained in Kendrick's story to Pac


In the end of Mortal Man, Kendrick reads a story to Pac about his life from the perspective of a caterpillar:

“The caterpillar is a prisoner to the streets that conceived it Its only job is to eat or consume everything around it, in order to protect itself from this mad city While consuming its environment the caterpillar begins to notice ways to survive One thing it noticed is how much the world shuns him, but praises the butterfly The butterfly represents the talent, the thoughtfulness, and the beauty within the caterpillar But having a harsh outlook on life the caterpillar sees the butterfly as weak and figures out a way to pimp it to his own benefits Already surrounded by this mad city the caterpillar goes to work on the cocoon which institutionalizes him He can no longer see past his own thoughts He’s trapped When trapped inside these walls certain ideas start to take roots, such as going home, and bringing back new concepts to this mad city The result? Wings begin to emerge, breaking the cycle of feeling stagnant Finally free, the butterfly sheds light on situations that the caterpillar never considered, ending the eternal struggle Although the butterfly and caterpillar are completely different, they are one and the same."
Looking at this, it recaps each song in chronological order.

-“The caterpillar is a prisoner to the streets that conceived it Its only job is to eat or consume everything around it, in order to protect itself from this mad city While consuming its environment the caterpillar begins to notice ways to survive" this part of how story recaps 'Wesley's Theory'. The song basically describes Kendrick's life pre-fame. The first line says "When I get signed, homie I'mma act a fool Hit the dance floor, strobe lights in the room Snatch your little secretary bitch for the homies" The caterpillar (Kendrick) is gaining fame by "eating everything around him" and hustling, and notices ways to survive.

-"One thing it noticed is how much the world shuns him, but praises the butterfly" this line recaps 'For Free (Interlude)'. The song starts with a chick yelling at Kendrick saying "Fuck you, motherfucker, you a ho-ass nigga I don't know why you trying to go big, nigga you ain't shit Walking around like you God's gift to Earth, nigga you ain't shit" showing how the "caterpillar" is being shunned. She then ends her rant with "You won't know, you gonna lose on a good bitch My other nigga is on, you off" showing how she praises the butterfly.

-"The butterfly represents the talent, the thoughtfulness, and the beauty within the caterpillar But having a harsh outlook on life the caterpillar sees the butterfly as weak and figures out a way to pimp it to his own benefits" this part embodies the same message as 'King Kunta'. In the song Kendrick expresses how he has grown to become a big influence and a king, much like a caterpillar grows into a butterfly.

-"Already surrounded by this mad city the caterpillar goes to work on the cocoon which institutionalizes him He can no longer see past his own thoughts" this one is more apparent, it clearly recaps the song 'Institutionalized'. He says in the intro "I'm trapped inside the ghetto and I ain't proud to admit it Institutionalized, I keep runnin' back for a visit" so he is saying that he is institutionalized into the ghetto.

-"He’s trapped When trapped inside these walls certain ideas start to take roots, such as going home, and bringing back new concepts to this mad city" this line is also clear, it represents 'These Walls'. The walls in the story represent the caterpillars cocoon, but in the song they could represent Kendrick's past experiences, perhaps of something that happened in the hotel room that he continuously refers to, because when people use the phrase "if these walls could talk" they are usually reminiscing about past experiences that occurred in that very room. I also think 'u' and 'Alright' are from the perspective of the caterpillar inside the cocoon. 'These Walls' and 'u' are both very dark, while 'Alright' gets more uplifting and explains how he and his homies will be alright.

-"The result? Wings begin to emerge, breaking the cycle of feeling stagnant" this line could represent 'For Sale' as well as 'Momma'. 'For Sale' talks about Kendrick's troubles with Lucy (Lucifer), which could represent the butterfly emerging from the cocoon and dealing with troubles outside of its walls. 'Momma' explains how Kendrick returns to Compton and feels guilty for abandoning his city, which the butterfly could feel as he returns to the real world after spending so much time in the cocoon.

-"Finally free, the butterfly sheds light on situations that the caterpillar never considered, ending the eternal struggle" this line encapsulates the next three songs, 'Hood Politics', 'How Much a Dollar Cost', 'Complexion', and 'Blacker the Berry'. Kendrick is shedding light on these important issues such as the problems in the hood, poverty, and racial issues.

-"Although the butterfly and caterpillar are completely different, they are one and the same." This last line of the story raps up the last two songs (prior to Mortal Man), 'You Ain't Gotta Lie' and 'i'. You Ain't Gotta Lie and 'i' contrast in sound, as YAGL is more chill while i is really upbeat. This could represent the differences between the caterpillar and the butterfly. This contrast helps them stand out though, much like the caterpillar and butterfly rely on each other to exist.
In the beginning, Kendrick (the caterpillar) is alone and small. In the end, Kendrick (the butterfly) has completely changed and become something large and full of life with new ideas and outlooks. To Pimp a Butterfly.

It gets deep breh
 
First thoughts: The album is COMPLETELY different to GKMC and I - too - agree that it's a lot mellow and less aggressive but that's not a bad thing. This album has quite a lot of tracks with different themes and moods. You got chilled songs, songs that deal with frustration, enjoying life and trials and tribulations. and even when the album goes into aggressive mode it delivers really hard. The Blacker the Berry is a very angry song.

Kendrick took a risk with this album (especially at a time when he's expected to deliver something that would top the successful GKMC) and it worked out in my opinion. This isn't a traditional hiphop album but it's a fascinating, fun and eye-opening album to listen to over and over. You got hints of 90s R&B, G Funk, Jazz etc. Wonderful mixed pallet of music. Production is high-calibur stuff and Kdot's flow adapts and fits perfectly in all of them.

Personally, I don't think this album will top Section 80 but it's up there with GKMC. Kdot delivers.

Also, am I the only one that prefers the single version of "I"? The album one is fun but feels like a long skit. Gonna have to buy the single version and include it as a bonus track.
 
So after the first listen I'm digging this. Need to do a few more and really concentrate on it to really appreciate it.

Can't really compare this to GKMC, after all they're so different.
 
I'm sure some will find it blasphemous, but I made an edit of the album where I stripped out all the interludes/ spoken word sections/ tupac interviews and then narrowed it down to (what I feel are) the 10 best songs. It's absolutely killer now that it's not constantly testing my patience. It's just a sleeker, if more conventional, rap album that I can easily jam to. What I did:

01 Wesley's Theory - removed intro. It now starts at "Hit me!"
02 King Kunta - removed spoken word outro
03 These Walls - removed spoken word intro/outro
04 Alright - removed spoken word outro
05 Hood Politics - removed spoken word outro
06 How Much A Dollar Cost - no change
07 The Blacker The Berry - no change
08 You Ain't Gotta Lie - earlier fade out
09 i - single version (I prefer the album vocals, but this works better for me overall)
10 Mortal Man - fade out before Tupac

Comes in at about 40 minutes. It won't replace the original album for me, but so far it's really helping me get into it.

I'm down with this.
 
did it? i'm pretty sure the only vinyl pressings of this are bootlegs

Huh, yeah I looked it up and you're right! I found mine at a record store so I figured it'd be legit. Oh well, better a bootleg than nothing. I wonder how many other bootlegs I unknowingly have in my collection.

Still, GKMC seemed to get a wide vinyl release so I'm expecting this to as well. They probably haven't announced anything since this got a sorta stealth release on iTunes anyway.
 
ok slept on it

standouts for me:

Wesley's Theory
Institutionalized
These Walls
For Sale?
Hood Politics (Obama say "What it do?")
How Much a Dollar Cost
Mortal Man
 
On first listen, I had a strong feeling this would beat GKMC. I love funk, old-school sound, so I'm fucking loosing my shit over here.

With 5 listens, it's just getting better. Been noticing new sounds and lyrical connections every listen. That's the biggest sign that this is a masterpiece. EVERY track is on point.

He's in no box. He's just sharing his life, wisdom, and killing it musically/lyrically. The message is positive, hopeful, and speaks broadly ('u' vs 'i')... Putting on the desperate voice in 'u' when he's breaking down, talking about his insecurities and guilt. Staging an interview with Tupac, and it's not lame-o. Damn.

No flexing, socially conscience, so damn intelligent. For memory, this beat all rap albums since GKMC inclusive.
 
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What were they? I thought it was a great song. Self love, great message. Was it criticized because radio stations wouldn't pick it up?

mostly negative. You can even look back at the thread and see it was mostly negative. A lot of people thought it was "corny" and "out of place"
 
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