Kendrick Lamar's verse

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Kusagari

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And lol at people acting like Jada and Fab are still relevant. Nobody gives a crap about them and if they're the "kings" of New York then man NY sucks.
 

longbisquit

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I'm gonna say what I said in BCT. If these bitter ass mixtape rappers or trend followers would have been making good music rather than spending the better part of the 2000's complaining about the South or rapping like the South, then maybe you would have someone worthy of that claim outside of rappers that have been established in the game 10+ years.

All true. But my jest is that claim mann. A non NY rapper claiming the city is preposterous. Eminem never did. Kanye after Graduation never did it. Neither did Lil Wayne after the Carter 3. Or Drake after his success. When you say that you bring up that 90s east coast/west coast flare up. The bravado of the eras best rappers. That's the true connotation behind the King of NY claim. All I am saying is that Kendrick is far from that. He is not built for that challenge. Not yet anyway, though I see him having a career like Q-Tip or Andre 3000. Respected but not built to take the throne. That's my opinion. I feel like Kendrick is going to backtrack about that line. I wish he won't. I wish he had said I want to murder Jay Z and Nas. I would respect that. I just don't respect the mixed message his versed delivered.
 
I'm gonna say what I said in BCT. If these bitter ass mixtape rappers or trend followers would have been making good music rather than spending the better part of the 2000's complaining about the South or rapping like the South, then maybe you would have someone worthy of that claim outside of rappers that have been established in the game 10+ years.

shit just got real in here.

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wmlk

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Why are people here acting as if all of these new-age rappers care about what Kendrick Lamar has to say about them? It's as if the whole world has collapsed over the past three days. It's hilarious.
 

Draft

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Why are people here acting as if all of these new-age rappers care about what Kendrick Lamar has to say about them? It's as if the whole world has collapsed over the past three days. It's hilarious.
This is like real life Ender's Game. Kendrick is Peter Wiggin.
 

Esch

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shit just got real in here.

I need a church fan.

It's been very tough for NY rap fans ever since Dipset turned out to be shitty and one dimensional, Jay hung up his hat, and 50 lost touch. They've pretty much sucked since the mid naughties. Hard to deal with, but sometimes you need a nice little wakeup call.
 
Why are people here acting as if all of these new-age rappers care about what Kendrick Lamar has to say about them? It's as if the whole world has collapsed over the past three days. It's hilarious.

Their whole professional image is based around being equals. That's why they collab with everyone and don't challenge anyone. It's a status quo of "I respect you and your lane and acknowledge that you're good at what you do" kind of thing. Kendrick being included in that group and stepping out of that status quo puts pressure on the rest of them from the public eye.
 

cdyhybrid

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All true. But my jest is that claim mann. A non NY rapper claiming the city is preposterous. Eminem never did. Kanye after Graduation never did it. Neither did Lil Wayne after the Carter 3. Or Drake after his success. When you say that you bring up that 90s east coast/west coast flare up. The bravado of the eras best rappers. That's the true connotation behind the King of NY claim. All I am saying is that Kendrick is far from that. He is not built for that challenge. Not yet anyway, though I see him having a career like Q-Tip or Andre 3000. Respected but not built to take the throne. That's my opinion. I feel like Kendrick is going to backtrack about that line. I wish he won't. I wish he had said I want to murder Jay Z and Nas. I would respect that. I just don't respect the mixed message his versed delivered.

Challenge from who though? Jay and Nas are pretty much the only ones that wouldn't get embarrassed, maybe Jada. Jay is too busy educating himself on fine art and swimming in a pool of Benjamins to care about some arbitrary title. Nas has the lyrical ability and the stature in the game but I don't see him directly responding to something like this - if anything, his response would be what Kendrick wanted, higher quality music (assuming he actually decides to work with the legion of dope producers that are lined up outside his door).

You make it sound like there are 10 B.I.G.s running around NYC nowadays.
 

longbisquit

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So.... What's it gonna take for you to say that Kendrick does 'run' NY? I'm assuming your criteria is subjective, because he's outselling all of those guys right now except Jay, on his sophomore album. Fab aint doing shit and Jada already gave up NY rap and is rapping like southern cats with minimal results. Cam'ron is straight irrelevant, seriously, dead career. Nas is making good stuff I guess, but if you go from a an awfulsales/creative nadir to making OK music, everything looks good. Jay is making soulless party music with a corporate stamp on it. Pretty much everyone from NY in the old crowd straight sucks right now and is out of creative steam except Nas.

Go at Jay Z. Go at Nas. Go at Jadakiss. Go at Fabolous. King of NY means exactly those things, especially if he is not from the city. Sales doesn't equal king mann. King is meant for the best lyricist in the game. That's the essence of Hip Hop. KRS One to Rakim. Battle raps and who disses who best. Lamar is making better music now than any of the aforementioned artist. No doubt about it. But why mention NY unless you sending a message. It's valiant. But I would respect it more if he was more direct. But that's not him. He can't handle Jada on the mic. Or Fab imo. That's why Lupe checked him.

50 Cent went at Jay, Jay gave him the "I'm all about the dollar, wtf is 50 cents." 50 went at Jada and you know how that went. This all while 50 was a the top of the game $$$. Lil Wayne stood on subliminals but never went at the kings of the art form (Jay Z, Nas, Eminem, Jadakiss, Big Pun if he were alive). Ross is left alone for a reason but he never wanted the throne. Kanye and Drake took a different approach because they arent built for that kind of pressure. Lamar is new school and a dope lyricist. But if he wants to claim NY, he knows what he has to do and I personally don't think his style of verse and character holds up to it. Not yet and possibly not ever. Im just trying to point to you what "King of NY" stands for in Hip Hop. What tht meant in the 90s and 00s.

Does Kendrick have "NY" over ASAP and Bronson? Hell fn yes. Love his music. But make a claim like that or disregard other real lyricist in the game, and you are going to have to back your claim up.
 

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Fayetteville more relevant than NYC.

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codhand

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manhattan in general has become a big outdoor mall. much more interesting places in the boroughs these days mostly due to gentrification, but anyone checking nyc for anything other than fashion is probably looking in the wrong place,
 

Esch

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Go at Jay Z. Go at Nas. Go at Jadakiss. Go at Fabolous. King of NY means exactly those things, especially if he is not from the city. Sales doesn't equal king mann. King is meant for the best lyricist in the game. That's the essence of Hip Hop. KRS One to Rakim. Battle raps and who disses who best. Lamar is making better music now than any of the aforementioned artist. No doubt about it. But why mention NY unless you sending a message. It's valiant. But I would respect it more if he was more direct. But that's not him. He can't handle Jada on the mic. Or Fab imo. That's why Lupe checked him.

50 Cent went at Jay, Jay gave him the "I'm all about the dollar, wtf is 50 cents." 50 went at Jada and you know how that went. This all while 50 was a the top of the game $$$. Lil Wayne stood on subliminals but never went at the kings of the art form (Jay Z, Nas, Eminem, Jadakiss, Big Pun if he were alive). Ross is left alone for a reason but he never wanted the throne. Kanye and Drake took a different approach because they arent built for that kind of pressure. Lamar is new school and a dope lyricist. But if he wants to claim NY, he knows what he has to do and I personally don't think his style of verse and character holds up to it. Not yet and possibly not ever. Im just trying to point to you what "King of NY" stands for in Hip Hop. What tht meant in the 90s and 00s..

So when Jay and Nas took their place, and when Puff and Biggie blew up, did they have to write diss raps to Rakim, KRS, G Rap in order for other people to know they were that dude/kings of New York? You're setting up arbitrary criteria here that don't apply across all of hip hop history to suit your narrative. As far as Jada, Fab... Why would he shyt on them? He's not in competition with those guys. Their era is gone and done. They're basically retirees doing shows right now. They're not lyrically or otherwise kings of shit right now. This is like saying Larry Holmes had to get in that ring and beat up an old flabby mentally handicapped Ali to prove he was that dude. Just ridiculous.
 

DyTonic

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manhattan in general has become a big outdoor mall. much more interesting places in the boroughs these days mostly due to gentrification, but anyone checking nyc for anything other than fashion is probably looking in the wrong place,

A lot of these fashion dudes trying to rap though...
 

longbisquit

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Challenge from who though? Jay and Nas are pretty much the only ones that wouldn't get embarrassed, maybe Jada. Jay is too busy educating himself on fine art and swimming in a pool of Benjamins to care about some arbitrary title. Nas has the lyrical ability and the stature in the game but I don't see him directly responding to something like this - if anything, his response would be what Kendrick wanted, higher quality music (assuming he actually decides to work with the legion of dope producers that are lined up outside his door).

You make it sound like there are 10 B.I.G.s running around NYC nowadays.

Hahaha. You really think Kendrick can do a diss track? Mos Def can rhyme but he can't battle on a track. Andre 3000 can rhyme but he can't battle on a track. Do you see the difference. Jada would swallow Kendrick at this kind of Hip Hop that Kendrick alluded to by calling people out (NY in the context he said it). This does not mean that Jada will make better records. Heck no. It means that if Jada got on this kid with a Beanie Sigel like response, Lamar wouldn't stand the pressure. Hip Hop is soft nowadays mann. Just because some new rappers are actually rapping and selling records doesn't mean that they are the "best" at the art form. Best "MTV MC list," sure. But best rapheads lyricists, no. Thats the target audience he alluded to when he said King of NY.

Look for some of you it's - Kendrick's my fav rapper and he can rhyme, hence he can out rhyme these old heads from NY. But for me its - Kendrick is nice on the mic but hope he doesnt make the mistake of calling out the real MCs. They will expose him. Rick Ross is the last capable artist that can handle "that" kind of Hip Hop on wax. He got at 50. Haven't heard that kind of battle rap on wax since.
 

WanderingWind

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Eminem is touring this week in Europe. (Ironically with Kendrick, and Tyler)

I doubt he's even had time to record a response track, even if he wanted to.

Plus, he's managing his 401k, getting his teeth bleached, doing some light CrossFit, maybe catching a movie. Him and Kim are probably going towel shopping because goddamn it Consuela can't ever seem to set the dryer on "delicates."

He ain't got time for that shit no more.
 

cdyhybrid

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Go at Jay Z. Go at Nas. Go at Jadakiss. Go at Fabolous. King of NY means exactly those things, especially if he is not from the city. Sales doesn't equal king mann. King is meant for the best lyricist in the game. That's the essence of Hip Hop. KRS One to Rakim. Battle raps and who disses who best. Lamar is making better music now than any of the aforementioned artist. No doubt about it. But why mention NY unless you sending a message. It's valiant. But I would respect it more if he was more direct. But that's not him. He can't handle Jada on the mic. Or Fab imo. That's why Lupe checked him.

50 Cent went at Jay, Jay gave him the "I'm all about the dollar, wtf is 50 cents." 50 went at Jada and you know how that went. This all while 50 was a the top of the game $$$. Lil Wayne stood on subliminals but never went at the kings of the art form (Jay Z, Nas, Eminem, Jadakiss, Big Pun if he were alive). Ross is left alone for a reason but he never wanted the throne. Kanye and Drake took a different approach because they arent built for that kind of pressure. Lamar is new school and a dope lyricist. But if he wants to claim NY, he knows what he has to do and I personally don't think his style of verse and character holds up to it. Not yet and possibly not ever. Im just trying to point to you what "King of NY" stands for in Hip Hop. What tht meant in the 90s and 00s.

Does Kendrick have "NY" over ASAP and Bronson? Hell fn yes. Love his music. But make a claim like that or disregard other real lyricist in the game, and you are going to have to back your claim up.

Kendrick is a better lyricist than any of the guys you mentioned except Nas and maybe Jada. Black Album-era Jay would be on that list but that guy is long gone.

Hahaha. You really think Kendrick can do a diss track? Mos Def can rhyme but he can't battle on a track. Andre 3000 can rhyme but he can't battle on a track. Do you see the difference. Jada would swallow Kendrick at this kind of Hip Hop that Kendrick alluded to by calling people out (NY in the context he said it). This does not mean that Jada will make better records. Heck no. It means that if Jada got on this kid with a Beanie Sigel like response, Lamar wouldn't stand the pressure. Hip Hop is soft nowadays mann. Just because some new rappers are actually rapping and selling records doesn't mean that they are the "best" at the art form. Best "MTV MC list," sure. But best rapheads lyricists, no. Thats the target audience he alluded to when he said King of NY.

Look for some of you it's - Kendrick's my fav rapper and he can rhyme, hence he can out rhyme these old heads from NY. But for me its - Kendrick is nice on the mic but hope he doesnt make the mistake of calling out the real MCs. They will expose him. Rick Ross is the last capable artist that can handle "that" kind of Hip Hop on wax. He got at 50. Haven't heard that kind of battle rap on wax since.

Where is this evidence that Kendrick can't battle rap? When did he get ethered? When did he get embarrassed? We know he's an incredible lyricist, though.
 
Hahaha. You really think Kendrick can do a diss track? Mos Def can rhyme but he can't battle on a track. Andre 3000 can rhyme but he can't battle on a track. Do you see the difference. Jada would swallow Kendrick at this kind of Hip Hop that Kendrick alluded to by calling people out (NY in the context he said it). This does not mean that Jada will make better records. Heck no. It means that if Jada got on this kid with a Beanie Sigel like response, Lamar wouldn't stand the pressure. Hip Hop is soft nowadays mann. Just because some new rappers are actually rapping and selling records doesn't mean that they are the "best" at the art form. Best "MTV MC list," sure. But best rapheads lyricists, no. Thats the target audience he alluded to when he said King of NY.

Look for some of you it's - Kendrick's my fav rapper and he can rhyme, hence he can out rhyme these old heads from NY. But for me its - Kendrick is nice on the mic but hope he doesnt make the mistake of calling out the real MCs. They will expose him. Rick Ross is the last capable artist that can handle "that" kind of Hip Hop on wax. He got at 50. Haven't heard that kind of battle rap on wax since.

What I get out of all your posts is that you expect an 80 something year old Jada to be in the studio throwing heat at rappers in 2060 and shit.

"He's still the king, he ain't dead yet!!!"
 

longbisquit

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So when Jay and Nas took their place, and when Puff and Biggie blew up, did they have to write diss raps to Rakim, KRS, G Rap in order for other people to know they were that dude/kings of New York? You're setting up arbitrary criteria here that don't apply across all of hip hop history to suit your narrative. As far as Jada, Fab... Why would he shyt on them? He's not in competition with those guys. Their era is gone and done. They're basically retirees doing shows right now. They're not lyrically or otherwise kings of shit right now. This is like saying Larry Holmes had to get in that ring and beat up an old flabby mentally handicapped Ali to prove he was that dude. Just ridiculous.

Thats exactly the point of everything I just said. You can't say "I am King of NY" without it meaning - versus Jay-Z, versus Nas, versus Jadakiss. That's like Lebron and Kobe being the best of their generation, yet when someone says best player ever, the comparisons to Jordan take place. King of NY was established during the BIG, Nas, Pac era. So it doesn't correlate with the past greats like KRS One or Rakim.

If the criteria is arbitrary, then read Styles P response or Lupes. Obviously Kendrick will eventually clear up his definition of what he said. It was meant for his generation, which he is the best of by the way (excluding Kanye if you think he is part of this gen). But he needs to "tread lightly" when saying things like that.
 
Kendrick is a better lyricist than any of the guys you mentioned except Nas and maybe Jada. Black Album-era Jay would be on that list but that guy is long gone.



Where is this evidence that Kendrick can't battle rap? When did he get ethered? When did he get embarrassed? We know he's an incredible lyricist, though.
What the hell? Jay-Z gave Kendrick a fucking head pat on his biggest single.
 

cdyhybrid

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I really don't think Kendrick will be clearing anything up unless someone directly asks him about it (which I'm sure someone will). He has nothing to fear from New York. Puff ain't sending his goons to LA to knock off Kendrick. It's not the 90's anymore.

What the hell? Jay-Z gave Kendrick a fucking head pat on his biggest single.

1) That's not battle rap.

2) It was a remix to the fourth single off the album. You act like this was his one hit wonder single or something. The Recipe, Swimming Pools, and Poetic Justice/Backseat Freestyle were all singles before BDKMV. And calling it the biggest is arguable, depending on which chart you're looking at.

From Wikipedia:

The album's first single, "The Recipe", was released on April 3, 2012. The song features his mentor, record producer and fellow rapper Dr. Dre and was produced by Scoop DeVille. It peaked at number 38 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and at number 3 on Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles. Kendrick shot a video for it featuring Dr. Dre at a mansion in Los Angeles in May 2012. He also claimed the video will have a feel of 2Pac's California Love clip.[36] The album's second single "Swimming Pools (Drank)" was released on July 31, 2012, as a digital download, while the music video premiered on August 3, 2012 on 106 & Park. The album version of the single is present on track 9, while the single version is available as track 17 when purchasing the Deluxe Edition on iTunes.[37]

In the week of the album's release, "Backseat Freestyle" debuted on the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart at number 106.[38] It was later announced to be released as the third single in the United Kingdom on January 7, 2013.[39] The music video was released on January 2, 2013.[40] Lamar's father appears in the video.[41] "Poetic Justice" was released third single in North America, featuring Drake and production from Scoop DeVille. Before released as single, the song debuted at number 76 on Billboard Hot 100 the week of the albums release.[42] The song began to impact American rhythmic contemporary radio on January 15, 2013.[43] The song has since peaked at #26 on the Billboard Hot 100.

The week of the albums release the song "Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe" debuted at #93 on the Billboard Hot 100. On March 9, 2013 Kendrick told Rap-Up that his next single off the album would probably be "Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe".[44] On March 13, 2013 Jay-Z's engineer Young Guru premiered a snippet of the official remix of "Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe" which features Jay-Z.[45] He called it an accomplishment to have a song with Jay-Z featured on it.[46] Shortly after the remix premiered he would confirm that, "Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe" would be the next single.[47] The full version of the remix was premiered by Funkmaster Flex on March 17, 2013.[48] The remix was added onto the iTunes Bonus tracklist on March 19, 2013. The remix was released as the albums fourth single to Rhythmic contemporary radio on April 9, 2013.[49] The song has since peaked at #32 on the Billboard Hot 100.

3) A head pat? I can't roll with that, sorry. Opinions, etc., but nah.
 

Esch

Banned
Thats exactly the point of everything I just said. You can't say "I am King of NY" without it meaning - versus Jay-Z, versus Nas, versus Jadakiss. That's like Lebron and Kobe being the best of their generation, yet when someone says best player ever, the comparisons to Jordan take place. King of NY was established during the BIG, Nas, Pac era. So it doesn't correlate with the past greats like KRS One or Rakim.

If the criteria is arbitrary, then read Styles P response or Lupes. Obviously Kendrick will eventually clear up his definition of what he said. It was meant for his generation, which he is the best of by the way (excluding Kanye if you think he is part of this gen). But he needs to "tread lightly" when saying things like that.

If you're just gonna continue to move goalposts and define this title without sources instead of just using Kendrick's context in the song, we're both wasting our time.

What I get out of all your posts is that you expect an 80 something year old Jada to be in the studio throwing heat at rappers in 2060 and shit.

"He's still the king, he ain't dead yet!!!"

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King of NY was established during the BIG, Nas, Pac era. So it doesn't correlate with the past greats like KRS One or Rakim.

So The Bridge Wars never happened? Sure it started out as a battle over the origin of Hip Hop within the city but make no mistake dudes were battling for supremacy. This stuff has happened since DJ's for house parties in the 80's let people spit over the beats.
 

DominoKid

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I'm gonna say what I said in BCT. If these bitter ass mixtape rappers or trend followers would have been making good music rather than spending the better part of the 2000's complaining about the South or rapping like the South, then maybe you would have someone worthy of that claim outside of rappers that have been established in the game 10+ years.

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Speak on it!
 

longbisquit

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Kendrick is a better lyricist than any of the guys you mentioned except Nas and maybe Jada. Black Album-era Jay would be on that list but that guy is long gone.



Where is this evidence that Kendrick can't battle rap? When did he get ethered? When did he get embarrassed? We know he's an incredible lyricist, though.

Sad thing is I want this to be true but Kendrick is not built like those rappers. He can't battle. Listen to his rhymes, look at his upbringing. Kanye, Drake, Cole. Lyricists sure, but can they diss track? You do know thats how you win these "wars" right? You do know Pusha T is that mold of a rapper and he would eat Kendrick on a diss track right? Wayne couldn't even respond to Exodus 23:1. Common got at Drake and Drake turned face. That's what these "old head" NY rappers are capable of, still to this day if you can believe. Kendrick is Q-Tip. Kendrick is Andre 3000.

I'll stop with this because my laptop is on laptop is on fire right now (heat), I see where you guys are coming from in regards to Kendrick. I just think some of you are wildly overrating his reach in Hip Hop. This is not his lane. Sure you can be a great lyricists but that does not mean you can get at a rappers ass real quick. Jay Electronica is a great lyricists but I doubt he can battle on wax. At the end of the day thats what this whole spectacle is about. Will Cole respond? Will NY respond? Then it's will Kendrick respond? That's where this will lead to. Kendrick ain't about that kind of Hip Hop. He needs to "tread lightly." (Love me some Breaking Bad)
 
I really don't think Kendrick will be clearing anything up unless someone directly asks him about it (which I'm sure someone will). He has nothing to fear from New York. Puff ain't sending his goons to LA to knock off Kendrick. It's not the 90's anymore.



1) That's not battle rap.

2) It was a remix to the fourth single off the album. You act like this was his one hit wonder single or something. The Recipe, Swimming Pools, and Poetic Justice/Backseat Freestyle were all singles before BDKMV. And calling it the biggest is arguable, depending on which chart you're looking at.

From Wikipedia:



3) A head pat? I can't roll with that, sorry. Opinions, etc., but nah.

You just said he's a better lyricist than Jay. Head up he got sonned. Jay chooses to make a type of song, he didnt forget how to rap.
 

longbisquit

Neo Member
If you're just gonna continue to move goalposts and define this title without sources instead of just using Kendrick's context in the song, we're both wasting our time.



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Kendrick and Charles Hamilton. Youtube it. Just a glimpse of "that" kind of Hip Hop he is not built for. There is no more proof because he is sweet mann. Never had rivals and is friends with everyone. that pretty much sums up Q-Tip and Andre 300 right there.
 

longbisquit

Neo Member
So The Bridge Wars never happened? Sure it started out as a battle over the origin of Hip Hop within the city but make no mistake dudes were battling for supremacy. This stuff has happened since DJ's for house parties in the 80's let people spit over the beats.

They were NYers. that's commonplace. Kendrick is from LA. Thats the problem with the claim.
 
You just said he's a better lyricist than Jay. Head up he got sonned. Jay chooses to make a type of song, he didnt forget how to rap.

I wish jay would CHOOSE to make a song with lyrics worth listening to again. It's been years. One gets tired of hoping for Black Album Jay to manifest on a new album, only to end up hearing nothing but 12 tracks about Bey and how hard it is to spend money yet again.
 
I'm gonna say what I said in BCT. If these bitter ass mixtape rappers or trend followers would have been making good music rather than spending the better part of the 2000's complaining about the South or rapping like the South, then maybe you would have someone worthy of that claim outside of rappers that have been established in the game 10+ years.

Hi Hater was a banger though. This Is Why I'm Hot had the game on smash too.
 
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