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Kevin O'Leary Drops Out of Leadership Race, Endorses Maxime Bernier
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matthewwhatever
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Ex-lover and HELL'S ANGELS ASSOCIATE. Can't forget that part!
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My planned ballot as of right now (tonight's debate should shake this up as Bernier will be in everyone's crosshairs)...
1) Erin O'Toole
2) Lisa Raitt
3) Deepak Obhrai
4) Andrew Saxton
5) Michael Chong
6) Andrew Scheer
7) Chris Alexander
8) Steven Blaney
9) Maxime Bernier
10) Rick Peterson
11) Pierre Lemieux
12) Brad Trost
13) Kellie Leitch
1) Erin O'Toole
2) Lisa Raitt
3) Deepak Obhrai
4) Andrew Saxton
5) Michael Chong
6) Andrew Scheer
7) Chris Alexander
8) Steven Blaney
9) Maxime Bernier
10) Rick Peterson
11) Pierre Lemieux
12) Brad Trost
13) Kellie Leitch
dragonfart28
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Bitch please. French just saved canadian politics from turning into a trashy reality show.
Look how they faired up north with their own TV star.
matthewwhatever
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Remember that you're only allowed to vote up to 10, and that you don't have to fill out all 10 spots!
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Oh good... then I can leave Leitch off the ballot completely then.
In that case, I'll just vote for these 6.
1) Erin O'Toole
2) Lisa Raitt
3) Deepak Obhrai
4) Andrew Saxton
5) Michael Chong
6) Andrew Scheer
Counter-point: He won a sizable portion of the vote and seats in 2015 (over 30%) and he wasn't able to do much of what he wanted to in terms of rolling back on environmental protection and other right-wing policies because the Liberal and NDP MPs limited the very worst policies proposed by the Harper minority, to the point where a coalition was considered in 2008 between the two. The fact that he did not enact hard-on-crime policies, his attacks on Canada's Muslim community or his decisions on any other topics until forming a majority does not make Harper a centrist so much as ignores the fact that his repugnant views were always there and they always informed his decisions when he was able to act on them. As an MP, voted against the legalization of gay marriage in 2005, proposed an amendment to the bill, the Civil Marriage Act, to preserve "the definition of traditional marriage" which, until shockingly recent, was a position of the party and said he would have revisited the bill if he formed a government. In addition, Harper's islamophobia is not a recent development: In 2007, Harper was complaining over Elections Canada's decision to allow a person with their face covered to vote so long as they presented ID, something which would later see him create the infamous niqab ban and the CPC support Letich and Alexander's "barabric cultural pratices hotline", which is the point i'm trying to make: However much success he had at reining in the Trosts of his party, pretending that Harper is a centrist is a gross revisionism of who Harper was and what he did.
firehawk12
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Put Chong #1. He's basically a Liberal.
Omg I guess the government did a good job to make me forget this
Can I humbly request that you move Leitch down a few spots on that list?
matthewwhatever
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Anyone else watching O'Leary's press conference? The press is pretty gleefully ripping him apart. It's amazing.
gutter_trash
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I don't disagree with you on that. I just don't care much for Chong as a public speaker and I'm actually structuring my ballot so there's someone running the Conservatives I'd consider voting for as a check on Trudeau. I'm pretty fluid in my political leanings... have voted for all three parties at various times in the past decade. That said, there's a reason I've got most of the anti-immigration/social conservatives off my ballot. That's not my racket.
Perhaps Chong will step up in future debates and impress me. I like Raitt the most to be honest but don't believe she can win with the likes of O'Toole and Scheer carrying more momentum.
Let's not get that silly.
UpUpDownDown
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Wow.
Thanks Quebec!
To be fair that's the English speaking part of the city. Plus you need like zero French to function in Montreal.
You just won't be able to read shit ha.
Thanks Quebec!
To be fair that's the English speaking part of the city. Plus you need like zero French to function in Montreal.
You just won't be able to read shit ha.
Matrix XII
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That's a relief. It is a good day.
firehawk12
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Ether_Snake
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You guys signing up to the Cons to vote for "a sensible candidate" are making a dumb mistake, vote for Bernier if you want to see them lose, don't give them a chance to a have a sensible puppet. If they win, the people behind the leader will be the same as before, don't fall for the dumb marketing.
firehawk12
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There isn't like some weird secret PAC billionaires backing candidates here though. Also, because of parliamentary politics, a shitty leader would go down quickly - just look at the stupidity of the recent Australian governments. That's probably the only advantage of a Westminster style democracy over a Republican one (even if the Queen is somehow our leader
).Socially, he's more to the left of the party and one could never claim he doesn't stand up for what he believes, but he's still pretty right-wing on many issues (he supported the niqab ban, for one), something that's rather evident with his proposed tax reform, but that goes to show how radical some of the CPC's leadership candidates have been. Compared to the rhetoric of Leitch and Trost, anyone would look moderate in comparison, much less a Red Tory like Chong.
Also, even if he wanted to, there's no way he could switch parties like Belinda Stronach did given all the criticism he's thrown at Trudeau.
firehawk12
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Yeah. But in a fantasy land where Chong wins the leadership and goes off against Trudeau, I probably wouldn't mind either winning since in my mind they're in the same political orbit as each other. lol
Honestly I think Canadian conservatives will appear as centrist as possible in order to get elected and then immediately team up with Farage, Trump and Putin in order to parcel off Canadian resources and public money.
Cause really, what would people actually do?
"Oh you lied about your policies"
"Blah, changing times, work together, blah"
You'd sure as shit get a lot of people telling non-conservatives that it's actually good for them, we see that shit every day
Cause really, what would people actually do?
"Oh you lied about your policies"
"Blah, changing times, work together, blah"
You'd sure as shit get a lot of people telling non-conservatives that it's actually good for them, we see that shit every day
I always found it amusing that the Muslim community that Jason Kenney heavily courted among other minority groups to give Harper his 2011 majority was used as a scapegoat when 2015 was crumbling for the CPC.
So much for the faux-big tent CPC Harper envisioned.
Simmering white supremacy will always be a potentially exploitable political movement in pretty much any British colony
If it makes you feel any better, Bernier at least has more energy than Carson.
bonesmccoy
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I joined the CPC to vote against O'Leary and Leitch. Now it looks like I won't have to worry about them! Which is nice.
Looking through their other candidates... sigh. It's an underwhelming group to be sure. Of the people with the necessary name recognition to be competitive in an election, I suppose Rait, O'Toole and Chong are the least unlikable?.
I've read that it was his decision to go the nationalistic route in a failed gamble to save his job. The CPC knew that he stood no chance against Trudeau long before campaigning started, and wanted to run on more of a 'we'll get 'em next time, folks' angle. Harper disagreed, did what he did, and created a deep divide within the party as a result.
Looking through their other candidates... sigh. It's an underwhelming group to be sure. Of the people with the necessary name recognition to be competitive in an election, I suppose Rait, O'Toole and Chong are the least unlikable?.
I've read that it was his decision to go the nationalistic route in a failed gamble to save his job. The CPC knew that he stood no chance against Trudeau long before campaigning started, and wanted to run on more of a 'we'll get 'em next time, folks' angle. Harper disagreed, did what he did, and created a deep divide within the party as a result.
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