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careful said:
First, regarding YoungHav's point of GG catering to only a small % of trolls, I have a hard time believing they would fall to the pressure of a small minority, having stuck to their guns for the beta, the demo, and the retail version. Have you ever seen any other MP FPS with this kind of backlash for the controls? It couldn't have been only just a small few complaining. As anecdotal evidence, I convinced a good 8-10 ppl at my workplace to pre-order this game. They themselves referred other friends, so in total we had a network of about 20 people pre-ordering this game. 95% of these people are 'mainstream' gamers that have played FPS before, but they are not super incredibly skilled like some of you guys here. So out of those 20 or so people, EVERY SINGLE one of them noticed something was off with the aiming. I haven't spoken to all of those guys post-patch yet, but the few that I asked seem happy with the tweak (however small it was).
I would think that the people defending the original controls were the elite few who are incredibly skilled at analog stick aiming. But please have some perspective for others who are not as good (who I would think are the majority of people).
As for the tactical vs run and gun style of the tweak, I think it is the opposite. If you have trouble with aiming, how are you gonna play tactical? You can't hit anything mid to long range anyways, so you're gonna resort to going up close and spray and pray. With the tweak, people will have an easier time mid/long range and hanging back a bit will actually become an option for them.
Very good post. I would say that I honestly don't care about the less skilled gamers, and I loved the more 'difficult' controls. Honestly since the patch I've found that the satisfaction of actually shooting enemies has decreased dramatically. I liked having to work for my kills, and I liked the heavy feel of the weapons.
My counter point to you would be that up close spray and pray
didn't work as well for those people before the tweak. Now, with aiming much 'easier'? The players who use to spray and pray are now that much more effective and that, and everyone and their mom can now play the 'line up your shots' iron sights game or distancce hip fire, but spray and pray is more prevalent than ever now because it's an option. The people who had problems with the controls before would learn to hang back and measure their shots, learn about recoil, all that; now they can just spray and pray that much more effectively.
elcapitan said:
I play Engineer/C4 combo. Turrets are completely badass. Takes out air bots for free bonus points and kills unsuspecting flankers from behind. Its all about position. You don't place them out in the open where they can be easily destroyed, you have to put them so when the enemy enters the room, they start getting shot from behind. Engineers also have to protect the turrets so it becomes a 2 on 1 situation.
That's another thing that I dislike about this online as compared to the source inspiration. It's very limiting to disable to cloak after a kill, I can understand being hit, but why punish the player for playing their class well. There are already enough indicators as to if the person is a disguised saboteur. You'd think with the bias dtowards defensive play in KZ2 Online, that they'd look at making the Saboteur a more effecctive class.
Another thing is C4: Why? Why do you make it practically invisble, only proximity absed, with no remote detonation? It doesn't even feel like a meaningful gameplay mechanic, just a cheap kill facilitator. In MGO, there are various types of mine based explosives and traps, each of them have their own consideration. Megazines are easy to see but incapacitate the enemies, giving off an audio cue and trigger on your SOP. Claymores do damage, give off a sound, and knock the enemy down, but your window of oportunity is much smaller than with a amgazine which is a confirmed kill if you're close enough and he doesn't have back up, C4 is very powerful, and
has a remote detonator. I can understand that they want to keep the game
simple. But not being able to relocate your C4 alotment in KZ2 Online is very akward with the Warzone setup, maybe it's a concession of the C4 being practically invisible and a cheap kill mechanic, but they need to make the C4
visible whilst being
easy to miss, and allow for those who placed it to detonate it on command if there's a better spot for it.
