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KILLZONE 2 - The |OT|
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I decided to take a look at the script statemachine for that section, and without checking it in game, I see that there are 2 Assaults, then 16 Shock Troopers (SMG guys) (max 4 at a time). The shock troopers stop prematurely if you destroy the tank or move forward. Then 5 more Shocks should spawn (max 3 at a time), and finally there should be a rocket launcher guy somewhere.
Tempy said:
I hate the shock troopers and hated that part. Those guys are brutal. Hated as in very challenging, BTW. Was still good I just had to figure out a way to get it. Eventually ended up going to that side corner on the left and waiting for them to walk by and taking them out as they did so.
I get killed by the shotgun all the time, but I dont really see a problem with it. When I play with it, it takes multiple shots to take someone down at a medium distance. If they are close, it takes one well placed shot. If I am medium or long distance away from someone with any rifle, just forget about it, if they are competent I am toast. I kill shot gun people all the time by just keeping my distance, if I am super close its either bad luck or my own fault.
Liabe Brave
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That is exactly what I described, on every difficulty from Trooper to Elite: don't destroy or damage the tank and you get four waves of four, then as you advance two more waves, then the rocket guy is on the balcony on the top left. Thanks for confirming Tempy!Tempy said:
Is there any way you can check the AA gun section of Salamun Bridge? You mentioned earlier in the thread that it was finite Helghast, but I couldn't get them to stop.
Liabe Brave
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You're awesome!Tempy said:
When testing, I tried to avoid any possible triggers, so I did not advance and I did not kill the AA gunner. I either stood as far back as possible and shot troops from that range, or else I backed around the corner of the bridge stanchion so the AA gun wasn't even visible, and let them rush that position. Under these conditions, I never saw the waves stopping. (I'd estimate I killed 30 or so Helghast.)
When I shot the AA gunner dead from long range, I believe the Helghast stopped spawning and only those present at that time needed to be killed. However, it's possible that killing the AA gunner didn't do this, but rather advancing forward. At some point, Garza says "Sev! I got your 20 from up here!", which may indicate a trigger point that stops them.
Did I mention you're awesome?
Tempy said:
Thats exactly how it goes. I have noticed this: if I am sitting in a corner trying to kill the waves of troops and they keep coming (and I keep dying), I am doing something wrong. You either have to move forward to cause some trigger to happen or take care of some objective. There is no infinite respawn so to speak of.
Liabe Brave
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If you can sit in one place and kill guys, and an infinite number of them come out to replace those, that's the very definition of an infinite respawn. Of course there are triggers to make them stop--otherwise you would've reached the end of the game!A.R.K said:
You're right that there's no infinite respawn on the train, but that's because you do not have to advance or kill someone specific to stop the enemies from coming. There is a finite number, and eventually they run out. (You can stop them sooner by blowing up the tank, evidently, but you don't have to.)
My tests have found true infinite respawning in only three sections of Killzone 2, all in the Salamun Bridge level:
Bridge East (infinite ground enemies until you advance; finite gun nest enemies)
AA gun ## (infinite ground enemies until you kill the AA gunner; Tempy is going to verify, since I may be wrong)
Bridge West (infinite gun nest enemies until you advance; finite ground enemies)
I'm pretty darn certain that the only other infinite spawn in the game is in the Visari Palace Inner Courtyard. It's definitely infinite at the beginning if you don't advance at all. I haven't tested past the progressive trigger checkpoints, but I suspect it stays infinite--just pushed back--all the way up to the door.
JB1981 said:
I would leave the objectives in and limit badges to one per team except soldiers in 8v8. 2 per team in 16v16.
Also team radar and enemies radar on shoot and scout tagged only.
TDM hardcore is always boring as people camp to try and kill the others as they come around a corner or something. Actually motivating for an objective is the way to go.
the_prime_mover
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Kittonwy said:
Yeah. No respawn seems good except that it encourages camping. If it is team based body count, you are the last surviving member of your team and you lack a winner's confidence then it encourages you to hide until time runs out so you at least force a draw.
Perhaps increase the respawn timer every time you die to force people to play more conservatively?
JB1981 said:
I'd rather
-No Crosshair (but full hud, enemies only appear on radar after spot and marked)
-Extra bullet damage (grenades are lethal enough, grenades should do more damage to turrets/bots though)
-Map resets after each round (everyone spawns back at bases and all turrets/bots/repairs are reset).
-No respawn invulnerability.
careful said:
Killzone 2 controls not being ultra twitch actually makes it MORE accessible to non-twitch players who can in fact flank someone and not have him turn 180 and shoot him in the head.
This is very different from trying to make the game move in a direction where half the people are just watching half the time, people who are already having trouble aiming don't have a reticle to work with, they get killed out of nowhere because there's no radar and there's no incentive for them to play because they keep getting killed and the only thing that counts are kills.
careful said:
Which have since seen a patch, and the long-term success of the less accessibile franchise far from defined. Accessibility extends beyond controls and dips way into interface (things like party systems, and playlists). Till told otherwise, COD is still the king of PSN.
'Just saying.'
Killzone 2 has a ridiculously high learner curve, if you can't see and admit that then you are living in the clouds. Everything about the game is a challenge, and nothing is spoon-fed. I can't think of many other FPS's that have a higher entry bar than this one.Kittonwy said:Killzone 2 controls not being ultra twitch actually makes it MORE accessible to non-twitch players who can in fact flank someone and not have him turn 180 and shoot him in the head.
This is very different from trying to make the game move in a direction where half the people are just watching half the time, people who are already having trouble aiming don't have a reticle to work with, they get killed out of nowhere because there's no radar and there's no incentive for them to play because they keep getting killed and the only thing that counts are kills.
Dirtbag said:
1. Killzone 2 does not have "the highest learning curve of an FPS." I suck at FPS's. I sucked at COD, TF2, and I'm actually pretty decent in this game. I take it you haven't played warhawk? That's a high learning curve.
2. Is there really a reason why you are in this thread? Unless of course it makes you feel better to try and prove that your favorite game is THE best game. For the sake of the Killzone 2 players, just go back to COD if that's what you really want dude.
PistolGrip
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they better hurry before Fat Princess comes out! gotyKittonwy said:Not sure wtf people are moving on to, Killzone 2 is basically the best online experience on the PS3.
Learning curve's extend to everything from map design, to clear game objectives, to the hud, to controls. Killzone is an incredibly complex game to learn. People that picked the game up at launch also saw the slow unlock of character classes across PSN. Someone just picking up the game now will be thrown right into the goat-rodeo. Even the match finding system isn't particularly clear about which skill level games you enter.j-wood said:
And no where did I say it was "THE highest", but that it is among the highest.
Warhawk did have a deep learning curve, perhaps part of why it was switched from a full retail release to a PSN one.
Because I can argue from a different perspective. The perspective of someone who doesn't feel obligated to like everything or even anything about the game. For the record I think that Halo is the still the superior game, but I'm having a great time with Killzone 2, and it validates my ps3 since I play COD on the 360 (with a superior FPS controller as well).
Dirtbag said:
If they choose to not filter servers by rank. The game by default only shows you servers that have players with your rank.
You won't start out as a rifleman in a game with scouts and assualts unless you choose too.
The game is still at retail, and people will be buying it every week, so there will constantly be new players.
Back to the learning curve, map design comes with every single online FPS. You have to learn the map for every game. You can't single that on KZ. Same with the hud.
Honestly, objectives are self explanatory. If you don't understand what "Capture and Hold" means, and can't follow arrows on your screen, then you probably shouldn't be playing an FPS online.
Granted the controls ARE different, but after a few matches, it's second nature.
Jack Scofield
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At the risk of being buried and forgotten on the end of a page, are there any gaf games up right now?
The product of all those factors is what makes killzone2 an incredibly deep and not immediately accessible game. It's not just anyone of those alone. Even the clan-first mentality of online play seems to further validate my point. There is no hand-holding in Killzone, for many people this is some of the charm (present company included).j-wood said:
Dirtbag said:
How is the combination of the hud, map design, and the other factors you mentioned any different from learning to play COD?
My point is those are basic features you have to learn of ANY online FPS, and to single KZ out for it is unfair.
Although yes, KZ does seem to have a clan-first mentality.
Rapping Granny
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Is PSN down for anybody else?