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KILLZONE 2 - The |OT|
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TacticalFox88
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They were just begging for fanboy wars with that one. :lolChryZ said:
Yes, we'll never forget nor forgive.
I truly do wonder what Kotaku thought about Gears Of War, because KZ2 is more colourfuil than that game. I know this because I completed both games.
I honestly prefer the E3 07 colour scheme of KZ2. Was way more gloomier and had a better atmosphere. Helghan isn't supposed to be some sort of sunny villa to chill out. It should be HELL.
I honestly prefer the E3 07 colour scheme of KZ2. Was way more gloomier and had a better atmosphere. Helghan isn't supposed to be some sort of sunny villa to chill out. It should be HELL.
TacticalFox88
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......:lolFirestorm said:
Sorry but :lol :lol :lol :lol
TacticalFox88 said:
yeah I'll join in this...
:lol :lol :lol
Forget about the KZ2 story but just as a shooter, KZ has an awesome SP. The set pieces were great with really good pacing and on your toes action. Add to that, really good A.I. made it a very engaging experience. Much better than the last 2 Halo SP campaigns and way better than MW2 campaign. But I know every one has their own pick. So no worries.
TacticalFox88
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Gamespot credibility REDEEMED.NeoUltima said:
KZObsessed
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I thought KZ2 SP could have been a lot better than it was, but the gunplay outclasses every shooter released and was the best SP FPS on a console this generation, never mind year. Tho that's not saying too much. HL2 still takes a dump on every console FPS tho.
Multiplayer, KZ2 is my favorite ever. Nothing comes close on any platform in terms of just pure enjoyment.
Any award KZ2 gets is deserved.
Multiplayer, KZ2 is my favorite ever. Nothing comes close on any platform in terms of just pure enjoyment.
Any award KZ2 gets is deserved.
user friendly
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NeoUltima said:
FUCK YEAH!
TacticalFox88
Banned
What about CS? Even with all the bullshit problems with Assault class?FFObsessed said:
KZObsessed
Member
NeoUltima said:
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To me it just still says the nominees.
KZObsessed
Member
TacticalFox88 said:
Assault isn't a problem when you play in one of the numerous servers with them disabled
TacticalFox88
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Meh true. But over EVERY MP shooter? That's a pretty bold statement FFO.FFObsessed said:Assault isn't a problem when you play in one of the numerous servers with them disabled
KZObsessed
Member
TacticalFox88 said:
Well, I am talking about my personal favourite. But yeah, I've never put 600+ hours into a MP shooter before, which is simply because I enjoy KZ2 online the most.
KZObsessed
Member
I AM THE KZ2 THREAD
Anyway so KZ2 has received quite a few awards so far.
Gamereactor - Overall Game of the Year
Gamespot - Shooter of the Year
- Multiplayer Game of the Year
- Best Sound Design
- Most Improved Sequel
IGN - PS3 Shooter of the Year
FFO - Overall Game of the Year
Not bad so far. Any others I have missed? Havn't really been paying much attention...
Anyway so KZ2 has received quite a few awards so far.
Gamereactor - Overall Game of the Year
Gamespot - Shooter of the Year
- Multiplayer Game of the Year
- Best Sound Design
- Most Improved Sequel
IGN - PS3 Shooter of the Year
FFO - Overall Game of the Year
Not bad so far. Any others I have missed? Havn't really been paying much attention...
KZObsessed
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Can finally access the description:
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
KZObsessed
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Thrakier said:
Nailed it.
HL2 is kinda overrated. Sure everything else in the game is good, but to say the gunplay is shit is an understatement.FFObsessed said:
Best two FPS games on the PC: Republic Commando and Unreal II The Awakening.
I would LOVE a Republic Commando sequel. It is honestly one of my favourite games ever. soo awesome.
I'm at the partEnigma777 said:
after Radec comes out and then you're locked in that room. I'm on the balcony with the RPGs now.
JustHadToJoin
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just bought a ps3 and played the demo for this. holy shit, the graphics make the game fun
No really, this is my kind of shooter, wish I had bought it
No really, this is my kind of shooter, wish I had bought it
AranhaHunter
Banned
Firestorm said:
Never understood why GG made the enemy AI so good and the friendly so dumb
JustHadToJoin said:just bought a ps3 and played the demo for this. holy shit, the graphics make the game fun
No really, this is my kind of shooter, wish I had bought it
There's still time and I highly recommend it.
Ah,Firestorm said:
that's the final boss. Stick to the left staircase and go between the first/second floor while picking people off. It's the only spot where you're protected by the RPG's. When they show up, grab the sniper and use the grill on the left staircase to shoot the guy on the right and vice versa. When the pod crashes through run around the second floor and go knife everyone up there and when Radec gets down, you can either knife him or grab a shotgun and camp in the entrance you came through.
Just finished. Yeah, that was the most frustrating boss battle I've had to do in quite some time... Final thoughts on game: Killzone 2 just reeks of unattained potential to me. Absolutely gorgeous graphics, art design, and sound design. Sure it's basically shades of grey with wonderfully contrasting red / yellow, but it really brings across the atmosphere of Helghan and I think it was a good move. Game shouldn't suffer because most games take the monotone look by default these days. The sound on a surround sound set is some of the best I've heard. Beats MGS4 and Uncharted hands down imo and I hear those two thrown around a lot.
However, where the unattained potential I find is in story and game design. I felt like the enemies were placed in a really frustrating way for the player. That last battle I mentioned in my last post for example was excruciating. Two staircases, little to no cover, attacks also from above, and you're alone with a really bad AI partner. What is the logic behind this? If this were a Co-op session and Rico was played by a person, I could definitely see this working out. But he wasn't. This game really would have benefited from Co-op. Not in the "lol every game should have Co-op" way, but this game seems built for Co-op. Very confusing as to why they couldn't get it in.
Second part I see potential for that wasn't reached was story. The final scene had some really interesting elements brought to light with
. Sadly, I didn't get that vibe at all. As far as I could tell, the ISA were invading Helghan and they were a military state that was defending the homeland. Hell, it really seemed like we were the bad guys. What the hell did they do to us =( Guerilla seems to have assumed we already played Killzone and Killzone: Liberation. Sadly I did not so I didn't really understand my motivation for being there. Helghan seems like a really interesting setting so it would have been nicer to get more than a one-dimensional account of the whole thing. "Fucking Higs!" doesn't do it for me.
Speaking of which, atrocious dialog and voice acting. Goddamn. Make Gears of War look like Uncharted. FUCKING HIGS FUCKING HIGS FUCKING HIGS.
Anyway, that last segment really left a bad taste in my mouth. It's too bad as I found LV8 and LV9 to be decent. Never touching this again unless my friends get back into multiplayer :lol
Edit: By the by, I died like a half dozen times to the final boss and then doubled my X sensitivity and beat him in the first try xD
However, where the unattained potential I find is in story and game design. I felt like the enemies were placed in a really frustrating way for the player. That last battle I mentioned in my last post for example was excruciating. Two staircases, little to no cover, attacks also from above, and you're alone with a really bad AI partner. What is the logic behind this? If this were a Co-op session and Rico was played by a person, I could definitely see this working out. But he wasn't. This game really would have benefited from Co-op. Not in the "lol every game should have Co-op" way, but this game seems built for Co-op. Very confusing as to why they couldn't get it in.
Second part I see potential for that wasn't reached was story. The final scene had some really interesting elements brought to light with
Visarai talking about how the fall of him would put Helghan into ruin
Speaking of which, atrocious dialog and voice acting. Goddamn. Make Gears of War look like Uncharted. FUCKING HIGS FUCKING HIGS FUCKING HIGS.
Anyway, that last segment really left a bad taste in my mouth. It's too bad as I found LV8 and LV9 to be decent. Never touching this again unless my friends get back into multiplayer :lol
Edit: By the by, I died like a half dozen times to the final boss and then doubled my X sensitivity and beat him in the first try xD
KZObsessed
Member
-viper- said:
I wouldn't call HL2's gunplay shit, but yes it is one of the weakest aspect of the game, and arguably the most important for a shooter. That's what KZ2 does so well as you know, that was the main focus of the single player which a lot of people seem to miss when discussing the game, instead concentrating on soldier dialogue and the fact Guerrilla didn't regurgitate the back story they've already written and presented on the killzone.com website and re-telling the story of the first couple of games. And that gunplay is why the online multiplayer (among other things) is so magnificent.
Having said that, the reason HL2 is so great is because it doesn't just focus on one aspect like with KZ2, there's so much variety, and such great pacing, the whole game just feels like a journey rather than just a series of gunfights. The only major downside of the game is the god awful last level, which was just as bland a design as I've ever seen.
You know, my brother swears by Republic Commando as being one of the best squad shooters ever. I should definitely try it sometime.
itsinmyveins
Gets to pilot the crappy patrol labors
Firestorm said:
Dude, I'm not a big Killzone fan and the game clearly has a lot of issues -- just like MW2 -- but ODST was mediocre at best.
Firestorm said:
KZ2 was my 2009 GOTY but I definitely agree with most of your criticisms (nice to see someone bring up legit criticisms rather than just bullshit "zomfg its so grey and the controlzzzzz"). Yes: dialogue was atrocious, VA was bad, the plot was only redeemed by that last brilliant shot of sev sitting on the steps of visari palace. as for the last boss battle... your criticisms are totally valid although i sort of took it as being a kind of deliberately old school, challenging boss battle. and rico absolutely sucked in that last battle but there was something of a clever-ish game mechanic in that you still had to work to keep him alive so he could distract the enemies (at least i did on elite). but yeah, after the epic shootouts and previously competent (if not always super effective) friendly AI that last battle was a bit... out of place. i didn't think it was a let down, necessarily, but i'd agree it was a bit out of place.
you are 110% correct on the "missed opportunity" perspective re. the plot. the backstory on killzone.com is fucking fantastic - really good, complex sci fi schtick that beats the hell out of most sci fi games (you know who I'm talking about). but the delivery in game was simplistic, predictable, boring, zero dimensional, eeek... such a frickin' shame.
but there's still huge potential for kz3 to be absolutely brilliant. i mean what kz2 did well i honestly think it did better than any other console shooter before it. if gg capitalise on their successes and rectify their mistakes kz3 could be amazing. if they lose their balls and sell out to the crowd that wants an mw2 clone then we'll have another fucking R2 disaster. only time will tell.
Lostconfused
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Maybe the single player campaing wasn't designed well enough to show that off. I definitely got a bad impression of the game after playing through singleplayer. Think I made it half way through the game on normal before dumb A-tack, or whatever its called, boss battle which forced me to turn it down to easy. Side note, they really shouldn't have put any boss battles into this game. Well to cut this short, the game does so many things different from the average console FPS game but never bothers to teach you or guide you through any of it and thats definitely a poor design decision.FFObsessed said:
I probably enjoyed ODST more than KZ2 because of Co-op. I think Halo 2, 3, and ODST are decent games made fun through Co-op personally. You're right in that if I played either ODST or 3 alone, I probably wouldn't have enjoyed them much either.
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Yeah, like Tales of Vesperia, it would be a waste of a beatiful engine if we didn't get a sequel. So hopefully they improve on those things + change the damn field of view and point of view. I'd like to see and expanded screen and from a higher height.
Also, needs more lightning gunz
Haha, I actually thought to myself during that fight "Rico is really lucky I need him as bait or I would not even be trying to save him right now". Especially after what that bastard didtrk_rkd said:
to Garza He was the only likeable character aside from Sev
He was the only likeable character aside from Sev Yeah, like Tales of Vesperia, it would be a waste of a beatiful engine if we didn't get a sequel. So hopefully they improve on those things + change the damn field of view and point of view. I'd like to see and expanded screen and from a higher height.
Also, needs more lightning gunz
KZObsessed
Member
Lostconfused said:
I don't think so. It seems to be quite common when people discuss most shooters. The talk about the controls, by that they mean how easy it is to aim and shoot someone rather than the enjoyment that comes from actually shooting someone. I hear a lot of "are the guns fun to shoot?" when what's really important is "is it fun to shoot something?" It's not the firing of the guns which is the most important, it's the actual shooting OF something. It's when your bullets make contact with an enemy or something in the environment. That's the point at which you're interacting with the game world in a shooter, that's when you get the most feedback, that's what all shooters need to focus on when it comes to their gunplay, and so many "AAA" shooters fail in this regard.
Other shooters of course have been very successful in the past with their gunplay, Max Payne, F.E.A.R. being two of my favorites but they are very out dated when compared to KZ2. Max Payne was of course quite a few years ago (tho way ahead of it's time) and a TPS, so lets focus on F.E.A.R. They did a great job when it comes to the shooting, the impact of every shot, tho exaggerated, was satisfying. But, killing an enemy, still felt like you were killing a toy or a mannequin due to the rag dolls. With KZ2 they blended rag dolls with top quality motion capture animations so you can still affect the Helghast soldiers with each shot but they react with much more realistic animation. Killing enemies in KZ2 for the first time ever for me, felt like I was killing an actual person, rather than a toy or simply a video game character like in other games. I truly believe it's a step forward for the genre and playing other shooters now just feels wholly unsatisfying in that regard. And it's not just the animation quality or the system they implemented. So much care and polish was put into everything about the shooting. From the ultra-detailed gun models and ejected casings to the amazing reload animations. The unique feel of the every gun, the weight of the controls. The way they exaggerate every bullet impact with a heat signature or with the realistic dust/smoke that lingers in the air after each bullet hits a wall. Especially great in the online when you've just had a really intense fire fight in a room, which is then completely filled with smoke and dust afterwards which lingers realistically in the air. Even though the environments aren't destructible you still see the effects of every shot fired, you can track every shot that leaves your gun. You have to control the recoil and spread of your bullets, you can't just hold down the R1 button and the autoaim will do it all for you. You have to control your shots, it takes a lot of skill, especially in the online when things can get really hectic and that's what makes it so satisfying. Gamespot (surprising enough) nailed it in their Killzone 2 Shooter of the Year Award write up when they said:
Although they didn't go into great detail, it was nice to see the game get recognised for what it did do well by a big website. And I do think the game did a great job of showing off this system with the level/game design, there were a lot of close combat situations throughout the game, and with the cover system you could survive the aggressive and intelligent A.I. and still get up close and personal and pump bullets into the enemies from close range which was just so enjoyable. And the level design in general did a good job of allowing the enemies to really show off their A.I. I remember and amazing incident in the warehouse battle of the first level (demo level) where I'd cleared out the whole room except for one guy. I searched the warehouse, all over, every spot where he could be hiding but couldn't find him. So I thought, "ahh must have got him", I turned round and he popped out behind cover, said: "pretty dumb!" and shot me! I killed him tho!
But still, I don't think I'd ever seen an enemy hide from me until he saw a great opportunity to get the jump on me, then insult me as he shoots me! :lol Crazy. I've actually tried to manufacture that moment again but never been able to get it to happen. It's just one of those amazing moments that can occur 1 time in a million in some games. Love it. The game is really best played on Hard, that's when you get the most intense encounters.I also like how they don't hold you hand and guide you through certain scenarios. The ATAC battle you mentioned, I played the game on Hard the first time through, which I normally never do, (because I suck at most games
) but I managed to beat it first time, How? Pure luck , when getting an ammo refill from the re-spawning rocket launcher, I just happen to notice the stair case which leads down to the corridor downstairs which made the boss fight so much easier. I really like that, they don't lead you down there, you can just discover it by yourself spontaneously. The downside of that approach is of course, what if you don't discover it? You're left frustrated and annoyed. But I like that method, but can understand how other would not. Another good example is the very last level, the fight with Radec, playing through the game on Hard, that was the only section that had me almost pulling my hair out. They just dump you in a room with waves after waves of Helghast and basically just tell you to "deal with it" :lol And you have to figure out you're own strategy. Which is very frustrating, but much more satisfying when you beat it out by figuring out the best strategy. My first playthrough on Hard, the satisfaction of beating it didn't make up for the hour of frustration that preceded it. But when I played through the game straight after on Elite, I enjoyed the last battle, I knew what to do, I figured out a strategy that worked best for me and I had the extra challenge of the harder difficulty/no cross hair and I thought it was great. But it certainly is a design philosophy that can go either way for a lot of people.I see KZ2 mainly as an excellent foundation to build on. Mentioning HL2 reminded me that game is now 5 years old, and still heralded as possibly the best FPS ever. In five years time KZ2 may be remembered as a game that really refined and pushed forward the shooting mechanics of the genre, but it's certainly not going to be remembered as a truly great FPS SP. It's just not original or memorable enough to approach anyway near HL2's level. So what they need to do is take the great work they did with KZ2 and use that as a foundation to build on in future games. That's an incredibly obvious thing to say I realise, but the main issue with the first Killzone was that (apart from a lack of polish technically) the shooting mechanics were quite poor, they nailed that with KZ2, so now hopefully they can focus on creating truly memorable, original and fun scenarios to make the game stand out a lot more than KZ2 did. Work in a lot more story and more info about the culture of the Helghast, the politics, the people. Create more interesting characters on both the ISA and Helghast side and they could create something truly great. Personally, I'm not too optimistic
and the multiplayer will be the biggest draw for me in terms of KZ3, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what they do in their future work.
KZObsessed
Member
Good games last night Rick, Userfriendly.
I guess I have to come to terms with Rick being the new greatest KZ2 player of ALL TYNE... *cries*
Had about 5 awesome games earlier in the afternoon as well, and tried teaching my brother how to play :lol Would be nice if KZ3 had some local co-op or multiplayer. Or at least let us play against Bots in "Skirmish" via split-screen. I'd be happy with that. Would be a good way to get friends into the online when they're round as well.
1.8 million on the leaderboards now, I wantz 2 million dammit!
I guess I have to come to terms with Rick being the new greatest KZ2 player of ALL TYNE... *cries*
Had about 5 awesome games earlier in the afternoon as well, and tried teaching my brother how to play :lol Would be nice if KZ3 had some local co-op or multiplayer. Or at least let us play against Bots in "Skirmish" via split-screen. I'd be happy with that. Would be a good way to get friends into the online when they're round as well.
1.8 million on the leaderboards now, I wantz 2 million dammit!
My cousin has KZ2 but doesn't even know it has online play. I guess next time they should specifically name it 'Multiplayer' instead of 'Warzone'FFObsessed said:Good games last night Rick, Userfriendly.
I guess I have to come to terms with Rick being the new greatest KZ2 player of ALL TYNE... *cries*
Had about 5 awesome games earlier in the afternoon as well, and tried teaching my brother how to play :lol Would be nice if KZ3 had some local co-op or multiplayer. Or at least let us play against Bots in "Skirmish" via split-screen. I'd be happy with that. Would be a good way to get friends into the online when they're round as well.
1.8 million on the leaderboards now, I wantz 2 million dammit!
I'm sure there are many more out there who probably haven't even touched online play.
KZObsessed
Member
-viper- said:My cousin has KZ2 but doesn't even know it has online play. I guess next time they should specifically name it 'Multiplayer' instead of 'Warzone'
I'm sure there are many more out there who probably haven't even touched online play.
WOW :lol
Never thought about that, but that's a good point. oh dear lol
FFObsessed said:Other shooters of course have been very successful in the past with their gunplay, Max Payne, F.E.A.R. being two of my favorites but they are very out dated when compared to KZ2. Max Payne was of course quite a few years ago (tho way ahead of it's time) and a TPS, so lets focus on F.E.A.R. They did a great job when it comes to the shooting, the impact of every shot, tho exaggerated, was satisfying. But, killing an enemy, still felt like you were killing a toy or a mannequin due to the rag dolls. With KZ2 they blended rag dolls with top quality motion capture animations so you can still affect the Helghast soldiers with each shot but they react with much more realistic animation. Killing enemies in KZ2 for the first time ever for me, felt like I was killing an actual person, rather than a toy or simply a video game character like in other games. I truly believe it's a step forward for the genre and playing other shooters now just feels wholly unsatisfying in that regard. And it's not just the animation quality or the system they implemented. So much care and polish was put into everything about the shooting. From the ultra-detailed gun models and ejected casings to the amazing reload animations. The unique feel of the every gun, the weight of the controls. The way they exaggerate every bullet impact with a heat signature or with the realistic dust/smoke that lingers in the air after each bullet hits a wall. Especially great in the online when you've just had a really intense fire fight in a room, which is then completely filled with smoke and dust afterwards which lingers realistically in the air. Even though the environments aren't destructible you still see the effects of every shot fired, you can track every shot that leaves your gun. You have to control the recoil and spread of your bullets, you can't just hold down the R1 button and the autoaim will do it all for you. You have to control your shots, it takes a lot of skill, especially in the online when things can get really hectic and that's what makes it so satisfying. Gamespot (surprising enough) nailed it in their Killzone 2 Shooter of the Year Award write up when they said:
U r creepy. <3
astroturfing
Member
Enigma777 said:
well, it's in that one DLC map... i bought all the maps and while felt a bit ripped off, had some excellent fun playing them. every map looks stunning and is expertly designed. too bad there's barely anyone playing them :E
edit: ehhhhh.... i was thinking about the bolt gun. i'll just... go back to packing my bags ->
KZObsessed
Member
Thrakier said:
Aye! Tis the only way ter live!
x_o
Arrr!
KZObsessed
Member
astroturfing said:
With the sale of the maps recently, there's now a few servers with them. I played the other day on map pack 2 and 3 when I could never find servers before.
Hopefully they'll release a GOTY Edition with the maps on disc and eventually make them free for everyone.
KZObsessed
Member
Good game Chryz, had a mix of poor games and good games today.
Need Rick to teach me his skills. What a stallion.
Need Rick to teach me his skills. What a stallion.