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KILLZONE 3 |OT| The King Is Dead. Long Live The King.
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Of course there are down sides. If you play as marksman you can capture TSP's, you can't plant charges faster than normal, you can't repair guns/ammo boxes, can't revive people. Basically if you play as marksman and so does the majority of your team then the other team can over run you easily.commish said:
The makrsman might be good at getting kills but the game is not about getting kills it's about the objectives. If you're struggling against a team of marksmen then I don't know what to say.
H_Prestige
Banned
left_senseless said:
Exactly, just remove the smoke and maybe have a slightly wider spawning zone around the grenade so it's harder for one dude with a LMG to just kill everyone.
TabletopTictacs
Member
You basically have to change the preferred map to anything besides Salamun/Blood G. and you'll be able to rotate the regular maps. If you get on Salamun or Blood G just be prepared to play it all day until you quit.cnizzle06 said:
Last time they did this, they came out with patch 1.03. Hopefully this is the savior patch!coolcole93 said:
If you dont play Guerrilla Warfare (I hate it) then Blood Gratch is not worth it. Salamun Market is all fucked up in KZ3 but you may find enjoyment out of it initially. Oh and get ready to deal with a bunch of mechs and WASP spammers on Salamun.cnizzle06 said:
TabletopTictacs
Member
commish said:
It makes you wonder why game developers keep making the same mistakes :|
I haven't been able to play any multiplayer at all, ive been trying since the open beta. All i get is error after error.
Has anyone got a fix for this, ive tried opening ports and upgraded to the non-mandatory firmware but it still wont work.
All my other games work online, really sad at the moment (the menu music doesn't help).
Has anyone got a fix for this, ive tried opening ports and upgraded to the non-mandatory firmware but it still wont work.
All my other games work online, really sad at the moment (the menu music doesn't help).
coolcole93 said:
At least some other games give bonus points for actions taken near an objective. Why they don't do that in KZ3 is beyond me. They incentivized the wrong shit. Capturing a TSP should be 300 points and actions taken around a tsp should be worth double so ppl actually defend them and care about them.
Diablohead
Member
That would annoy me to no end, long as friendly fire is off in these kind of games flag caps should be multiple hundreds worth so people actually go for the flag.commish said:
CouchMaster
Member
Well that means tacts ARE doing their jobs, its just that the good ones are all in the opposite teamXater said:
It's just how online MP games handle latency. The shooter sees a delayed version of you, which means they see you out in the open for a split second longer than you do, giving them more time to shoot you. And you also don't get the message that you've died until a split second later, when you're even further behind cover.GraveRobberX said:
I'm pretty sure modern shooters do this to prevent the shooter from having to lead/predict his target's position several feet ahead like in the early days of online MP. It was a really important improvement to make the shooting feel much more accurate.
CouchMaster
Member
Wow you get just 50 points for revival? That doesn't make sense. Maybe they should take a page from Zipper's book and see how they encourage teamwork and doing objectives. Double points for kills close to objectives, double points for revival, 10 times more points for doing objectives etc. XP is the biggest motivator in modern online shooters, use it to get people do what you want them to do.
So, err.... yeah... I have rented this and only been playing the SP so far and it's pretty cool etc...
Regarding Move controls... It works very well except I feel like I have to recalibrate every 2 minutes. It's like it loses center. Anyone else experience this? Is there a cure?
Regarding Move controls... It works very well except I feel like I have to recalibrate every 2 minutes. It's like it loses center. Anyone else experience this? Is there a cure?
TrAcEr_x90
Member
i was rageing last night. Nobody wanted to be tactician on my team, so im like, screw it. I usually go with medic but ill try tactician since nobody realizes how important it is. All I did the whole time was die. It was me respawning running to try and capture the point a ton of times, with no help, and no extra tactician to make the process easier. I see greatness when I am in a server that has competent players. but if thats not the case, the game is so frustrating.
TabletopTictacs
Member
commish said:
Weirdly enough I think they had something like this in Killzone 2. GG are such a strange developer. It's like they have all the ingredients to be the best devs on the planet but they just don't know what to do with them.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I love the mechs, they are perfectly balanced and easy to take out, but if you are a skilled driver (or if the other team doesn't try to kill you) you can demolish with them. Went 30-3 last night without ever leaving a mech and helped our team capture points and capture the speaker.
Any word on the patch though? I am still needing to slow down my "aiming down the sights" speed in relation to the regular X axis sensitivity. Also private squad chat would be nice...
Any word on the patch though? I am still needing to slow down my "aiming down the sights" speed in relation to the regular X axis sensitivity. Also private squad chat would be nice...
ObnoxiousZebra
Member
TrAcEr_x90 said:
This is pretty much every Warzone game I've been in since launch. Bar one game when I joined a clan's team vs some randoms. It's so frustrating, everybody just seems to play for kills then leave once we get trapped in our spawn.
I think what many people fail to understand is that people have been playing shooters for years with the kill kill kill mentality. Its hard to get out of that especially when youre playing other shooters simultaneously or if you just got finished playing a few months of Black ops/Halo etc etc. You kind of have to train someone to be more focused on objectives. Thats why I think there should have been more of a focus on operations. Youre literally forced to got after the objectives. If you dont, you lose.Xater said:
Theres nothing like that in regular warzone.
If you lost the game and youre still on top with a 25-7 KDR then youre gonna still feel good about yourself because thats how weve been trained. But if you play operations and you lose in the first round, youre going to feel embarrassed whether youre on top or not.
They could change around the way the point incentives work but it would have to be a DRASTIC change which I would definitely be behind. Im talking 10 points for kills and 75 or so for objectives and class related tasks. They have to make it glaringly clear that objectives = the point. Complete your task or fail. Thats it. They had the right idea in operations, they just didnt run with it.
But you guys may also have to take into consideration that many people may not want to play like that. Killing is fun, repairing ammo crates and standing next to spawn points is not. So they may end up shooting themselves in the foot if they switched the incentives as we all want them to. If you make the nonfun part more rewarding than the fun part then there may be a very negative reaction from the community.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Campaign done on Veteran. WTF at the ending?! I am baffled by what they've done with it. Absolutely baffled.
RelentlessRolento
Member
I like playing engineer strictly the whole game but if I dont factorial it up most games I end up losing due to no one doing their job
If anything KZ3 proves that GG are a capable dev and are able to hit everything that is thrown at them.erlim said:
KZ2, they were forced to make it look as good as the target render. They done that and brought the KZ franchise to the PS3 with a bang. Online was weak though and wasn't able to hold a large userbase.
KZ3 they were forced to go even bigger and better than KZ2. They had to add Move, add 3D, improve multiplayer, add co-op and they done all of it.
The biggest criticism thrown at KZ3 is the story is weak. They could have easily fucked up along the way ala R2 with all parts of the game SP, MP, Co-Op being shit but they've put out a title which is solid on all fronts but just lacks the delivery on the story front.
It's no masterpiece but it certainly is better than KZ2 in every possible way and thats with all the added shit they had to do on top. Give GG proper time and resources and we'll see what they can do.
fuzzyreactor
Banned
my long list of pros and cons
pros
-3 weapon system opens more battle options
-jetpack feels great
-rico isnt an asshat
-rico revives you
-more gun variety in both SP and MP
-no game breaking class like assault class
-being able to slide to cover and brutal melee in SP look and feel badass.
- overall better musical score
- dialog is improved
- playing as helghan soldier
- unlocking system isnt a grindfest like in KZ2
- jetpack is fun in MP
- operations mode
cons
campaign
-inferior art design
-cover system is less effective. your exposed most of the time in cover.
-guns less satisfying to shoot
- AI seem worse. In KZ2 the AI would flank you often in higher difficulties. This they just take a ridic amount of bullets and who have no health
-too many on rail segments
-too many cutscense for a boring story
-Transition form gameplay to cut scene worse
-glitches like lip syncing, repeated dialog
online
-playing same maps over in warzone, freezing
-No custom games
-No squad system
-no proximity chat
-MP guns all feel similar thanks to increased bullet damage, lower recoil and lower bullet spread. a AR is essentially just as effect as a shotgun at point blank range.
-high bullet damage and increased game speed leads to twitchy gameplay and battles are no longer dynamic. rarely need to use sidearm and battles consist of seeing someone and killing them
-medic is nerfed with pathetic revive range, and short spawn time for downed players
-motor strikes, mechs and missile turrets are essentially free kills
-TSP basically decideds who wins a game and, at least spawn grenades where dynamic. all spawn grenades needed was a way to destroy them IMO
-no custom soundtracks
-C4 spam everywhere, should still be an ability
-unlocking classes was better in KZ2 as it forced players to learn each class
-no medic locator for downed players
-no friendly fire to discourage grenade spam
-melee system is overpowered, especially for infiltrators
-marksman class is overpowered thanks to easy sniping(sniper no longer sways), and having a assault rifle as a primary weapon, wth?
-vastly inferior map design
- cant join clan members and friends mid game.
-inferior stat tracking
-no replay mode
the MP is just so disappointing compared to KZ2. i have to wonder what happened.
pros
-3 weapon system opens more battle options
-jetpack feels great
-rico isnt an asshat
-rico revives you
-more gun variety in both SP and MP
-no game breaking class like assault class
-being able to slide to cover and brutal melee in SP look and feel badass.
- overall better musical score
- dialog is improved
- playing as helghan soldier
- unlocking system isnt a grindfest like in KZ2
- jetpack is fun in MP
- operations mode
cons
campaign
-inferior art design
-cover system is less effective. your exposed most of the time in cover.
-guns less satisfying to shoot
- AI seem worse. In KZ2 the AI would flank you often in higher difficulties. This they just take a ridic amount of bullets and who have no health
-too many on rail segments
-too many cutscense for a boring story
-Transition form gameplay to cut scene worse
-glitches like lip syncing, repeated dialog
online
-playing same maps over in warzone, freezing
-No custom games
-No squad system
-no proximity chat
-MP guns all feel similar thanks to increased bullet damage, lower recoil and lower bullet spread. a AR is essentially just as effect as a shotgun at point blank range.
-high bullet damage and increased game speed leads to twitchy gameplay and battles are no longer dynamic. rarely need to use sidearm and battles consist of seeing someone and killing them
-medic is nerfed with pathetic revive range, and short spawn time for downed players
-motor strikes, mechs and missile turrets are essentially free kills
-TSP basically decideds who wins a game and, at least spawn grenades where dynamic. all spawn grenades needed was a way to destroy them IMO
-no custom soundtracks
-C4 spam everywhere, should still be an ability
-unlocking classes was better in KZ2 as it forced players to learn each class
-no medic locator for downed players
-no friendly fire to discourage grenade spam
-melee system is overpowered, especially for infiltrators
-marksman class is overpowered thanks to easy sniping(sniper no longer sways), and having a assault rifle as a primary weapon, wth?
-vastly inferior map design
- cant join clan members and friends mid game.
-inferior stat tracking
-no replay mode
the MP is just so disappointing compared to KZ2. i have to wonder what happened.
polyh3dron
Banned
Almost finished the SP campaign last night...
I don't know why Rico decided to go save Narville, knowing that doing so would end up killing more people than they ended up saving. Other than that, what a fucking thrill ride. The game looks beautiful, the gameplay is awesome, I think GG really outdid themselves. Just get a better scenario writer.
Dude Abides
Banned
Once you get the hang of it, this game is a lot more fun using the Move than the traditional controller.
Dibbz said:
I really do think that GG has had ample time. Insomniac put out Resistance and Resistance 2 before KZ2 even came out. Sony also poured many more resources and money into GG to push KZ2, which left Insomniac feeling miffed over not getting the same treatment for the Resistance games. As for KZ3, I would argue that just because a game feels rushed doesn't mean it actually was. Again as far as tech/art go GG is strong, it's that they just don't make a good game to go along with it.
8 reasons why you suck at KZ3 MP:
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/8-simpl...killzone-3-multiplayer/a-20110225163030867012
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/8-simpl...killzone-3-multiplayer/a-20110225163030867012
Patrick Bateman
Member
commish said:
1 reason why you suck at bb.
NullPointer
Member
Fixed that for you.commish said:
My fixes to the KDR/point whores- Warzone- All kills are worth 25 points, objectives are worth 10 times more than they are now. Only kills are listed in the scoreboard and deaths are not tracked at all. Also make abilities worth 5 times more than they are right now. Have zones where, within the objective limits, kills are worth 100 points. Body count in Warzone remains the same. Add spawn on squad leader and have two more TSP that can only be taken by your team (to prevent base camping), one each.
Remove the Assault Rifle from the marksman, give him the silenced burst rifle from the medic, give the medic the marksman assault rifle. The marksman remains cloaked using silenced weapons for 3 kills. The infiltrator keeps his speed, but has infinite stamina replaced with the ability to be disguised for 5 seconds while carrying a propaganda speaker or 2 seconds when planting a bomb. When carrying a speaker he shows up as friendly, but as an enemy on the radar. When planting nothing shows up on the defense side till the disguise is broken. Those are my list of fixes.
Remove the Assault Rifle from the marksman, give him the silenced burst rifle from the medic, give the medic the marksman assault rifle. The marksman remains cloaked using silenced weapons for 3 kills. The infiltrator keeps his speed, but has infinite stamina replaced with the ability to be disguised for 5 seconds while carrying a propaganda speaker or 2 seconds when planting a bomb. When carrying a speaker he shows up as friendly, but as an enemy on the radar. When planting nothing shows up on the defense side till the disguise is broken. Those are my list of fixes.
Dibbz said:
The two things that I think people take the biggest issue with are the story and level design being much more directed. Both of these things are direct responses to the criticisms of Killzone 2.
People complained about the story being too oppressive, so they added humor (ugh!)
People complained that the campaign felt too grinding without enough wow moments so they emulated Call of Duty a bit more.
The story being bad, I think was just a mater of a bad decision made in the hiring process, and there's not much the dev side can do about that once they're into development.
Those are some pretty harsh words. Killzone 3 is still a better game than Resistance 1 and 2, and it's not like Guerrilla had all that manpower from Killzone 2 to work on Killzone 3. The game clearly isn't everything it could have been, but in terms of missteps, about the only thing that actually comes into Resistance 2 leagues of missteps would be the story. I mean seriously "Don't make a good game to go with it?"? What ever your standards are, they must be incredibly high.
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