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'Killzone: Shadow Fall' Class Action Lawsuit Can Proceed, Judge Rules
- Thread starter chadskin
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I'm all for holding developers' feet to the fire, but this is the wrong battle to choose. Killzone: Shadowfall did use "temporal reprojection" for its multiplayer (ostensibly to hit 60fps) and this should have been explicitly noted, but it seems a relatively minor slip-up. Compared with the bill of goods gamers have been sold this holiday season, Killzone seems like small peanuts.
c'mon son
I remember them putting up blog posts and videos of the MP saying it was 1080p.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I"m one of Killzone's only defenders on GAF, but I gotta say, 1080p seems to be pretty damned important here (I dont' care). Do you not see the tonnes of threads that get created over resolution and the size of the DF threads?
I mean, a lawsuit is clearly ridiculous, but Microsoft gets dragged over the coals on here for 900p and such, so I'm surprised anyone here would surprised over this.
I doubt he wins.
If this is pure shit I don't want to know what you think good looks like.
Try moving.
kingwingin
Member
Digital foundry should be given early copies to analyze and have a written blurb on the back of the case talking about framerate, resolution and other issues
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
So question, when say a last-gen CoD advertises "720p" and "1080p" as supported resolutions but in reality its some 1024x768 BS, is that in the same area of conflict at this case?
Given the final output isn't upscaled and is 1080p and the resulting image clearly isn't massively distracting (in fact almost no one even knew what technique to render was being used) I struggle to see this going anywhere.
If it does I'm very curious about games with 1080p on the box that are upscaled.
False advertising is something to stamp on but this is no way an actual case of false advertising.
If it does I'm very curious about games with 1080p on the box that are upscaled.
False advertising is something to stamp on but this is no way an actual case of false advertising.
AmuroChan
Member
To most gamers, that makes sense and probably wouldn't call that false advertising. The question is going to be, can the defense explain this in a way that makes sense to a jury that's probably not going to be made up by a bunch of well informed gamers.
DidntKnowJack
Member
If there is to be a fair trial, I think it should be argued in the proper venue. Like Neogaf.
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
So people will take companies to court over resolution but not when games flat out don't fucking work when released.
Ok.
Ok.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
it'll be interesting when kz devs explain this in court and then whip outs a ps4 running kzsf then a game not in native res (a ps3 game maybe?) and all the old people there squinting their eyes because they wont notice a difference
AmuroChan
Member
A blog post probably isn't going to be enough because they can just say that the author of the blog does not speak for the company. It's gotta be something irrefutable like what's actually printed on the box.
『Inaba Resident』;143768560 said:
You're right, class action lawsuits are a notoriously fast process. I bet he saw Driveclub and MCC not working a month ago and said "I'll file a lawsuit, get it heard in front of a judge, and have him decline to throw out the case all before Christmas, then I can buy presents!" but he just doesn't know which game is which so he picked one at random at Wal Mart and called the "Sue Us" number on the back.
Dreams-Visions
Member
The game isn't 1080p? I thought it was.
Also, if this is going to be a thing there are a whoooooole lot of companys that are going to have to upgrade their legal teams.
Also, if this is going to be a thing there are a whoooooole lot of companys that are going to have to upgrade their legal teams.
I think as long as the emphasis is on that a full 1080p frame is sent out the box and that the frame is composed using a rendering technique that they (as is their right), thought suitable for their product then I think so.
hellmonkey
Member
Great, another useless organ sack that makes me embarrassed to be an American. Hopefully this douchebag spills coffee in his lap while riding a scooter at Walmart.
Make me proud, my fellow Americans, make me proud...
disclaimer: If you are a douchebag that spilled coffee in your lap while driving a scooter at Walmart, I did not mean to offend you.
Make me proud, my fellow Americans, make me proud...
disclaimer: If you are a douchebag that spilled coffee in your lap while driving a scooter at Walmart, I did not mean to offend you.
Absoludacrous
Member
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Ladore has a GAF account.
Cert.in.Death
Member
The thread title is misleading; the suit isn't proceeding anywhere, it's stuck at the starting line.
Judge Chen accepted Sony's argument that the suit failed to adequately plead a case for negligent misrepresentation, but refrained from dismissing the claim outright because any time a motion to dismiss is filed, all facts are construed in the light most favorable to the plaintiff. The judge essentially thinks there might be a claim and told the plaintiff to give it another shot, which is not an unusual or uncommon thing for a judge to do.
The parties are still stuck on square 1 and it's the plaintiff's burden to get the suit going by making a better argument and presenting a valid claim upon which relief can be granted.
Thread title should read, "Judge tepidly refuses to dismiss Killzone: SF lawsuit."
Judge Chen accepted Sony's argument that the suit failed to adequately plead a case for negligent misrepresentation, but refrained from dismissing the claim outright because any time a motion to dismiss is filed, all facts are construed in the light most favorable to the plaintiff. The judge essentially thinks there might be a claim and told the plaintiff to give it another shot, which is not an unusual or uncommon thing for a judge to do.
The parties are still stuck on square 1 and it's the plaintiff's burden to get the suit going by making a better argument and presenting a valid claim upon which relief can be granted.
Thread title should read, "Judge tepidly refuses to dismiss Killzone: SF lawsuit."
And the most ignorant of all of the ignorant fools commenting on a lawsuit! The one who alludes to something he has no understanding of but has heard other people complaining about! A new champion emerges. The next baseless comment has a lot to live up to.
Something something coffee! Rabble rabble! Frivolous lawsuits that have enough merit to convince a judge and jury! Won't somebody please think of the multinational corporations?!
It's not about if it is or is not important, it's about false advertising. I hope it goes through. It sets a good precedent for publishers to be honest about their damn games.
Cornbread78
Member
Rogue_element
Banned
We can expect the same shit in the UK soon, because what starts in Murica always comes to the UK in the end . Fucking unfortunately.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Good maybe it'll dissuade them from all the false advertising shit they do.
I hope he wins.
Cornbread78
Member
Perhaps you should actually read up on the details of this specific case before going off into a rant.
Explain to me how this is an actual case f false advertising?
boredandlazy
Member
It is. It's just the way the horizontal pixels are determined is through a specialized form of interpolation.
This lawsuit is ridiculous.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It was said the multiplayer was native 1080p it wasn't.
That's pretty much it, though there doesn't need to be more.
The frame outputted is 1920 pixels wide and 1080 pixels tall.
Skimmed it but didn't see anything about the Judge finding standing to go to trial. Looks like the case will be dismissed in 30 days if they can't file an amended complaint that is accepted by the judge. Anyone understand this better? The title of the thread sounds misleading to me since it looks dead in the water.
WonkyPanda
Member
Thank you. It's pretty frustrating when people come in here and complain about a legal system that they themselves don't understand. I'll buy, "what is a 12(b)(6) Motion," Trebek.
Non 1080P rendering pipelines are now suable offenses? Crap, looks like every game pubkisher the last decade will be on hook for financial penalties. Shadowmaps aren't 1080P. That's a sueing!
I'm surprised this was allowed to move forward since its mainly built on an (somewhat purposeful ) misunderstanding of the rendering solution the game is employing.
I'm surprised this was allowed to move forward since its mainly built on an (somewhat purposeful ) misunderstanding of the rendering solution the game is employing.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I certainly agree that if their advertising was dishonest they must be held to account. Same with all of these companies who I feel are or have simply stolen money from gamers with the intention of fixing their products "at some point". You already know which companies I'm speaking of: Dice, Bungie, Evolution, Ubi Montreal, etc. They all have some explaining to do.
MisterCrow
Member
Doesn't the engine upscale the final, pretty high res image to 1080p? And haven't games done that the ENTIRE LAST GENERATION? This just seems like the dumbest fucking useless lawsuit.
Jeffolation
Banned
What a clown.
Portugeezer
Member
It's native 1080p for single player. Multiplayer uses a different rendering technique for 1080p which uses current and previous frame to make up a 1080p image (similar to interlacing, but done vertically)
Thanks.
Here's the back of the box
blog post
http://www.killzone.com/en_US/blog/news/2013-11-04_new-hq-footage.html
blog post
http://www.killzone.com/en_US/blog/news/2013-11-04_new-hq-footage.html
Bit sad I feel. I don't think anyone truly buys a game based on what resolution it outputs at. I feel it can make people feel more excited because of it and "parity" cases should be clear because people (at least me), may not want to support parity, however I feel it's sad a company is getting sued over it. Guess I understand it as it is at the very least slightly misleading, however I would if whoever is suing sony is even a little outraged by it, I'm betting he's seeing this as just an opportunity to get some cash and it's sadly being proved true.