Some maps in this game aren't that great, but I like quite a bit of them.
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Killzone: Shadow Fall |OT| Nothing Stops This Rain
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I don't feel like KZSF is actually open-ended in it's level design at all, it's a series of boxes or big 'rooms' at best that are connected by a single entrance/exit (whether that be a door, jump, bridge or cut-scene). That, coupled with a sometimes ill-designed objective marker that more so than not serves to confuse rather than lead you in the right direction is where KZSF suffers.
Granted I'm only up to the end of chapter 7 (seemingly am cursed not to go beyond that point) and maybe the game truly 'opens up' after that, but for me so far the game's shown very little outside of being another take on the corridor shooter, just with a wider, but still very gated and linear corridor.
I like it overall nonetheless, if I actually get to finish it that is (damn bug!).
BattleMonkey
Member
The game is mainly linear still, but it's not hand holding linear that folks have gotten used to with CoD. Folks actually get stuck and lost in KZ:SF, while its impossible to do that in games like CoD which are pretty much interactive cut scenes that you are always going forward in. Some spots like the space station early on is one of the more open areas of the game since there is alot of areas in the station which aren't connected to your objectives.
I think it's a step in the right direction how they did the game, but the game needed more polish on how they set up a bunch of parts. Players getting stuck is not really players being stupid, but some iffy design decisions. Like how some doors you can go through or need to find to proceed look identical to every other door in an area, but there is no indication that those doors don't open or close. Reminds a person of the shitty old days of running around walls in Wolfenstein pressing the space bar till a wall/door opened for you.
Objective indicators were much more clear in KillZone Mercenaries as well, and that game even included a mini map.
I think it's a step in the right direction how they did the game, but the game needed more polish on how they set up a bunch of parts. Players getting stuck is not really players being stupid, but some iffy design decisions. Like how some doors you can go through or need to find to proceed look identical to every other door in an area, but there is no indication that those doors don't open or close. Reminds a person of the shitty old days of running around walls in Wolfenstein pressing the space bar till a wall/door opened for you.
Objective indicators were much more clear in KillZone Mercenaries as well, and that game even included a mini map.
This.
I've been nothing but amazed with KZ:SF, both technically and how the story has been handled. On top of that an awesome multiplayer.
Bring on the co-op GG.
Just finished it and with that, its finally replaced KZ2 as my favorite game in the series
Basically to sum it up, GG finally stopped trying to chase the COD demograph and made something of their own that they can be truly be proud of, both in story (which finally starts to pay off for series fans) and in gameplay.
GG please, DO NOT listen to the press and "journalists"
So much this. I just finished and it's a solid 9/10 for me. Yes, seriously.
Given that I've only played this one and KZ3, and keeping in mind that this is probably the PS4 hype talking, I enjoyed Shadow Fall a lot. There were some frustrating gameplay sections, and the ending was somewhat abrupt, but nevertheless, I loved the experience. Brilliant graphics, fun MP, cool OST, with a story and characters that are more fleshed out than Sev and Rico (seriously, screw Rico). Definitely gonna play the MP some more, and replay the SP in a few months' time when I'm bored
Overall, solid launch title imo. I don't get the hate. Reviews be damned.
Serious question: what are the main complaints about this game? I keep reading that the second half was terrible, but I never got that feeling, at all.
AgentOtaku
Member
So much this. I just finished and it's a solid 9/10 for me. Yes, seriously.
Given that I've only played this one and KZ3, and keeping in mind that this is probably the PS4 hype talking, I enjoyed Shadow Fall a lot. There were some frustrating gameplay sections, and the ending was somewhat abrupt, but nevertheless, I loved the experience. Brilliant graphics, fun MP, cool OST, with a story and characters that are more fleshed out than Sev and Rico (seriously, screw Rico). Definitely gonna play the MP some more, and replay the SP in a few months' time when I'm bored
Overall, solid launch title imo. I don't get the hate. Reviews be damned.
Serious question: what are the main complaints about this game? I keep reading that the second half was terrible, but I never got that feeling, at all.
Play KZ2 and Merc ASAP.
I feel like I play on the divide every other match
nikos
Member
Just finished the game. Ending spoilers tagged.
Overall, I enjoyed the game. There were some frustrating parts, but it was good overall.
It was cool that they killed the main character. I always like when things like that happen. I also liked the extra mission during the credits. I feel like they missed the ball there, though. While it was a good mission, it took a few tries to complete, killing the immersion. Revenge missions should be easy and have you feel like a badass.
Overall, I enjoyed the game. There were some frustrating parts, but it was good overall.
AgentOtaku
Member
Inclined to agree. Its more of a chore than satisfying. Would rather it been a cinema.
Also, love how this game ties back to Mercenary. Too bad we didnt get
to see Justus again
Robot Pants
Member
I feel like the Platinum trophy for this game is absolutely doable, it's just gonna be a bit of a grind for those ability unlocks.
A bit more than a grind.
A bit more than a grind.
BrokenIcarus
Member
just finished the game myself and agree with the others about
the revenge mission, although I'm not quite sure if killing Sinclair meant ending the war or if it was supposed to allude to a new war starting. Weirdly enugh I felt more satisfied with the ending before you play Echo. Felt more in line with how I felt after finishing Killzone 2.
Agree, the maps in Shadowfall are excellent. Too bad the M82 did not make it into the game, but I think the Rumbler is giving me a good AR fix.
Seriously?
Chapter 9 is a heap of shit, and the only thing that shines about it is that awful FPS campaign trope where the supposed answer to game design is to just throw wave after wave of enemies at your position.
I found the mix of micro-managing the stairs, dealing with the aerial drones, having to deal with the shielded guards and protect the OWL for the hack a laborious and irritating chore. There's absolutely nothing new or imaginative about that sequence. No care, no thought, no intricate design, no display of what makes (or is supposed to make) Shadowfall a good game. Just, "Here's an increasingly difficult swarm of enemies. Shoot them, please!". We've played that same bullshit section in every badly designed and uninspired FPS campaign for the last 10 years and for me it's a VERY frustrating line under the entire game.
Just curious about a couple of things. The terrible things I've heard about the checkpoint system have put me off the game. Read on the US PS Forums the following:
'Each Chapter is split into several sections and the game saves your progress after each completed section.
Chapter Select lets you continue from the last saved section, you never need to replay entire levels like some people seem to think.
Where GG could improve is make it more obvious when a section is completed, they usually end with cutscenes.'
Is this true? It's just everybody else there is complaining barring this one person.
Also, how long would you roughly say chapters are?
Thanks.
'Each Chapter is split into several sections and the game saves your progress after each completed section.
Chapter Select lets you continue from the last saved section, you never need to replay entire levels like some people seem to think.
Where GG could improve is make it more obvious when a section is completed, they usually end with cutscenes.'
Is this true? It's just everybody else there is complaining barring this one person.
Also, how long would you roughly say chapters are?
Thanks.
Arg my whole level reset,
Granted I just started the game and had just
I am already kind of meh on the game...is this a common bug?
edit: screwed up spoiler..sorry!
So it wasn't a bug, damn it took me at least 30 minutes to get there from the starting point
Granted I just started the game and had just
destroyed the AA guns and about to take out the communication tower
I am already kind of meh on the game...is this a common bug?
edit: screwed up spoiler..sorry!
So it wasn't a bug, damn it took me at least 30 minutes to get there from the starting point
anonymous_abc
Member
you are right of course, sorry about that.
I am already kind of meh on the game...is this a common bug?[/QUOTE]
nice try.
Yeah. It only saves at section breaks but they aren't clearly marked. A lot of times you can figure it out since it's after major objectives, cutscenes, or location changes but it's pretty unclear.
anonymous_abc
Member
I too found it anoying as I often found myself playing much longer than I had planed just to make sure that last hard section was truely behind the last permanent checkpoint.
Yeah..and it seems to be kinds of "your mileage may vary"
During the first (actual) mission, after you're at the top of the mountain, I went and deactivated the alarms, went to the armory then found the ship,(remember seeing the "checkpoint/thing" ..so..3 checkpoints?), turned it off and went to work; returned...and was back right at the beginning with your OWL and no ammo (and having to kill the 2 guys to get ammo).
Did all that again (but in different order) found the missing crew, got their log, quit (work again)...then was back right to the beginning with the 2 guys and no ammo (again).
First thing I did on my day off? The entire mission in one sitting and made sure to finish it, then started the second one..before quitting.
Been doing a mission per sitting since.
Always-honest
Banned
I did the same. Because of the weird saving system.Been doing a mission per sitting since.
On the other hand, i got to know the levels quite well and i enjoyed most of them.
It says "Checkpoint" in the corner whenever there's a section break.
NullPointer
Member
anonymous_abc
Member
Nope they are for when you die, not for when you quit.
I want to, but I honestly doubt I'd go back to my PS3 now. Wouldn't feel right.
Wanna try Mercenary though. Have a Vita, so I'm just waiting for a price drop on the game.
EGOMON
Member
Just finished Killzone SF Single player campaign and i must disagree with people saying it was bad i finished it in two days because it was really good and i couldn't stop playing, sure its not groundbreaking experience but compared to other shooter KZSF is great.
Now time for the Multiplayer
Now time for the Multiplayer
Just finished Killzone SF Single player campaign and i must disagree with people saying it was bad i finished it in two days because it was really good and i couldn't stop playing, sure its not groundbreaking experience but compared to other shooter KZSF is great.
Now time for the Multiplayer
Agreed. It was polished and well-presented imo. Don't get the hate for the story either.
Am I the only one who thinks this could be the end of the series? Would be fitting imo.
anonymous_abc
Member
AgentOtaku
Member
Id say theyre definitely in a position to take a break for sure. Mayne Cambridge is gonna step and take over though while GG works on their new IP. I certainly wouldn't complain about that either
Always-honest
Banned
Not sure.
it's not like it ended in peace. Echo still lives. Wouldn't mind a game based on her.
Angelcurio
Member
Finally finished the game last sunday. Hated chapter 7, since i never heard anyone talking about a turret, just noticed it when i started roaming the area after having died at least 10 times, and feeling frustrated at how broken and cheap that part was, almost as annoying as been lost on that forest level.
I have played a couple of online matches after finishing the game, and i must say that i really enjoyed it. Using your camouflage, even if you are only limited to use your knife is satisfying, specially when the enemy is attacking one of your teammates, and all of a sudden they got a knife on their throats.Maybe it's a matter of perception, but i felt that either the graphics or the lighting look slighty worse on multiplayer.
Also the chapter 10 part didn't feel satisfying. I really liked that you get to play as Echo, but the level and the objective is quite dull, deactivating cameras and reaching a point to shoot Sinclair. Also i don't understand how a public assasination, which would be considered a terrorist attack, is supposed to be the main strategy to avoid the war.
Playing on Helghan was really an eye opener, it definitiely made me feel like i was playing a next gen game. I had to stop playing countless of times just to stare at the scenery, having detailed rocks, floor, etc. Finally having high resolution textures everywhere is definitely a huge change that made me realize how outdated the PS3 graphics were.
Playing on Helghan was really an eye opener, it definitiely made me feel like i was playing a next gen game. I had to stop playing countless of times just to stare at the scenery, having detailed rocks, floor, etc. Finally having high resolution textures everywhere is definitely a huge change that made me realize how outdated the PS3 graphics were.
I have played a couple of online matches after finishing the game, and i must say that i really enjoyed it. Using your camouflage, even if you are only limited to use your knife is satisfying, specially when the enemy is attacking one of your teammates, and all of a sudden they got a knife on their throats.Maybe it's a matter of perception, but i felt that either the graphics or the lighting look slighty worse on multiplayer.
hellmonkey
Member
The graphics are dialed back a bit in MP, it does run at 60 fps instead of the 35-40 SP runs at.
Melchiah
Member
Perhaps. It's just picked my eye, as there aren't that many games I've bought, that I haven't played through. On a side note, it's nice to see now how common/rare the trophies are.
Grinchy
Banned
Yeah that character is definitely one of the most interesting characters they've made so far.
eh, I love the MP but it most certainly does not run at 60fps
Even BF4 doesn't stay at 60fps at all times, but it's there the majority of the time. In my experience, Shadow Fall is at 60fps the vast minority of the time. Not really a complaint, though. Game is awesome.
Game is the #1 seller in the UK for three weeks straight.
I thought the story was fine as well. A big step up from previous games in the series, at least.
I thought the story was fine as well. A big step up from previous games in the series, at least.
There will be fallout from the assassination. All it did was prevent Sinclair from declaring all out war. The series can't end until Helghast and Vektan alike are united and Echo is the perfect character to facilitate that. I think we get one more mainline game starring her.
Melchiah
Member
Well-deserved.
Always-honest
Banned
I wouldn't mind Killzone:
Echo
This 1000 times
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Game definitely picked up in the back half. Some of the visuals were amazing, which is why I came to this party I guess. I still think the whole package was a bit mediocre, but it did save itself from being remembered for its frustrating dullness.
Thanks for the responses about the save system, guys.
I was watching Angry Joe's review earlier and he seemingly hated the game. Said there's waves of enemies and the checkpointing is poor as you have to do the levels all over again. Along with not always knowing what to do, and having to back track.
Is the game worth persevering with, despite its faults?
I was watching Angry Joe's review earlier and he seemingly hated the game. Said there's waves of enemies and the checkpointing is poor as you have to do the levels all over again. Along with not always knowing what to do, and having to back track.
Is the game worth persevering with, despite its faults?
Yes, sounds like angry joe is not that clever
Since there was some misinformation on the last page.
If you use chapter select you start at your last checkpoint. It says "Checkpoint" in the corner and there are several checkpoints in every chapter.
But if you use resume campaign you start at the beginning of the chapter you were at.
Hope GG fixes that. Resume campaign should pick up from the last checkpoint. Just played a little SP to show off the PS4 to my cousin. God damn I forgot how mind blowing character modeling/lighting etc is in SP. Excuse the shitty compression and tiny size.
Spoilers so I'll just post a link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbuboRSIAAAqryO.jpg:large
Ah so that's what is going on I thank you very much for this post!!