Kinect Playable at Microsoft Store

-COOLIO- said:
considering the environment and their age, im not seeing any solid indicators. there's a difference between liking the product and liking the novelty. if they were really into it and expect more expressive movement and a happier reaction when the game was over

But then you would've called the reaction fake.
 
My friend is going to the MS store tomorrow to check out the demo. She asked me to go with her, but there's no way I'm driving an hour to see something I don't want to buy. I am curious to hear what her impressions are, though.
 
-COOLIO- said:
ya pretty much. maybe im looking at it the wrong way because im convinced there's no way this could really be fun, but ill just say that i dont see anything there that confirms or denies that it's a fun product. it's kind of hard to tell for anything when youre put on the spot and youre trying something new.
You ever think your own skepticism for Project Natal is clouding your judgement? I admit I probably have the same problem.
 
Kulock said:
But then you would've called the reaction fake.
for now ill just say that i feel that kinect games are the kind of thing that people will really like for the first hour and then never again.

except maybe dance central, that looks solid.

so if im going to be made a believer, quick impressions aren't going to do it for me.

Megadragon15 said:
You ever think your own skepticism for Project Natal is clouding your judgement? I admit I probably have the same problem.
probably, but ive been pretty good at predicting things. so i'm overwhelmingly confident.

MightyHedgehog said:
This is your problem to get over, right? I mean, you and a group of other very pro-Move types seemingly come into every single Kinect/Natal thread and do the same thing...say the same thing...think the same thing. It's almost like a campaign to alter people's thinking, to fight positivity expressed by others in something you dislike, disbelieve, whatever... Of course, you're going to be hard to be convinced of something that what you've already come to strong conclusions about. Why you push others to make a case for you to come around with seems silly since the only logical course of action would be for you to try it for yourself. Of course, the strong possibility is that you've already reinforced your ideas and set your expectations such that you're never ever going to like it and never ever going to give it a fair shake. And that's fine for you if you're only looking to validate your suspicions...your desires. Why waste your time and others' with your repetition when almost everyone who frequents these threads well knows your position as you've only reiterated it at every given opportunity?

i think ive avoided spouting my negativity in mooost kinect threads, but i have to do it somehwhere. kinect is big for the industry and while im not confident in it, id like to discuss it.

i don't care about changing minds either. it's not like im releasing a competing device. it's more fun if there's less skeptics anyway.
 
-COOLIO- said:
maybe im looking at it the wrong way because im convinced there's no way this could really be fun . . .
This is your problem to get over, right? I mean, you and a group of other very pro-Move types seemingly come into every single Kinect/Natal thread and do the same thing...say the same thing...think the same thing. It's almost like a campaign to alter people's thinking, to fight positivity expressed by others in something you dislike, disbelieve, whatever... Of course, you're going to be hard to be convinced of something that what you've already come to strong conclusions about. Why you push others to make a case for you to come around with seems silly since the only logical course of action would be for you to try it for yourself. Of course, the strong possibility is that you've already reinforced your ideas and set your expectations such that you're never ever going to like it and never ever going to give it a fair shake. And that's fine for you if you're only looking to validate your suspicions...your desires. Clearly, you disbelieve every single positive impression, caught on video or not. And if you believe people's impressions are sincere, they have to be high on the initial novelty only to find it lame shortly afterward, right? If only they could see it the truth of the matter, right? Why waste your time and others' with your repetition when almost everyone who frequents these threads well knows your position as you've only reiterated it at every given opportunity?
 
-COOLIO- said:
considering the environment and their age, im not seeing any solid indicators. there's a difference between liking the product and liking the novelty. if they were really into it and expect more expressive movement and a happier reaction when the game was over

True, if they're not like this

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then Kinect obviously fails.

Besides, maybe they were smiling because it was so hot outside and they just walked into a nice air conditioned store. Or maybe they were thinking of their loved ones. There could be hundreds of reasons, really.

Not convinced.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I don't know which one will sell more. But MS better hope that casuals only (for the first year) thing works for them.

Yep, if they don't get the interest of more casual gamers it's probably gonna bomb.

Conversely Sony better get a large portion of their core base interested in Move because chances are it's not going to attract any of the casual gamers who own the Wii.
 
Ashes1396 said:

Sadly, the only thing that I'm interested in that list is Portal 2 and a bit of Move. I'm not a Zelda fan though. :P
 
btw, i just want to add that while i may be huuuugely skeptical, i dont mean to be cynical and i hope kintect succeeds. itd just be another good thing in this world.
 
I kind of thought about driving to Mission Veijo to try it out myself but that's a 35 mile drive from where I live. So probably not.
 
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Well, Halo: Reach is toast. It was a good attempt nonetheless, Bungie.
These lists are meaningless. Killzone 2 was a king of gamestats.com before its launch and we know how it ended.

And wow, Kinect haters are really active. The thing's going be really popular if GAF has such strong feeling towards the device.
 
Vizion28 said:

The River rush gameplay may be very simple, but the more I watch people playing, the more it looks fun. I'm almost saying "hooo" and "haaa" when they miss tokens or manage to get a group of them.
Hearing someone shout "jump" at each ramp reminds me of my first games of Donkey Kong, with all the kids shouting to the player what he had to do. :D
 
akachan ningen said:
Don't get stupid with me. You don't know what they have.
Seriously! I have a 360 and I'm not going to get Kinect unless they drop the price by about $100 or come out with a large library of good titles. Is that hard to believe or something?
 
SeaOfMadness said:
no it's cool. don't worry i get it.

can't trust the E3 demos because they are rehearsed
can't trust the press who played it at E3 because they get paid to try this stuff out
can't trust YouTube videos of people playing in the MS store because they're all actors
can only trust... uh.. i got nothin'

edit: ah! i got it! can only trust people who don't like it. ok there now i feel better
I trust MS Kinect is working...

... as long as they set up the environment. Image recognition is very dependent on lighting and contrast. There are millions of living rooms with totally different "setups" and different problems Kinect has to cope with.

So I believe it REALLY works when it stands that test.
 
quetz67 said:
I trust MS Kinect is working...

... as long as they set up the environment. Image recognition is very dependent on lighting and contrast.

That's why it's a good thing that kinect is not based on lighting and contrast...
 
Not ashamed to say I will buy one for each Xbox I own (2). I am more interested in the remote control replacement features and maybe the game Children of Eden. Not really expecting a killer app at all. As long as some major games add kinect gimmicks (ie: Forza 4), and the remote control features work as advertised, I am down with the price.
Considering I pay $60 for games I play only a couple hours, I don't see the price as a barrier. I just want whatever they demo'd at E3 to work as advertised.
 
Alx said:
That's why it's a good thing that kinect is not based on lighting and contrast...
I dont believe they depend only on the IR sensors....but I might be wrong with that, I dont know there tech in-depth

Still an IR camera needs contrast and even more than a standard camera, as the AR is "black&white".

That might have been the problem with the E3 presentation, probably the temperature in a room filled with lots of human and technological heat sources might be infavorable.
 
Nice impressions Rabbitwork. Especially considering the only real impressions we've been having are from game "journalists". It still sounds like a work in progress but I'm sure they'll get most of it sorted by launch.

However:

Rabbitwork said:
-store is currently taking pre-orders for $20 with a $150 final price, the reps there demoing the thing rattled that off as the price, not a maybe price
It really is striking me as though Microsoft were planning to announce the price at E3 but decided not to at the last moment. When a company rep is acting as though it's the real price (and not some gamestop clerk) then it starts to sound more and more real.
 
akachan ningen said:
Don't get stupid with me. You don't know what they have.
Not all, but there are more than a few stand outs. I know fortified_concept would never own the American corporate bourgeoisie console.

King Chozo said:
Seriously! I have a 360 and I'm not going to get Kinect unless they drop the price by about $100 or come out with a large library of good titles. Is that hard to believe or something?
I never said that was hard to believe. I just found it disingenuous. It's like Kittonwy or Drakesfortune chiming in and stating who they're voting for in the Democratic primary.
 
jedimike said:
They're impressions, not excuses. Besides, MS has put this thing in front of hundreds of people and you can find hundreds of hands-on impressions; most are overwhelmingly positive.

The fact that MS put this in their stores 4 months before launch for the public to demo shows how confident they are in consumer response.

Despite the collective reaction of GAF, the general consumer loves Kinect. MS still has to nail the price point and marketing to make this the must-have toy this Christmas, but all other signs are pointing in MS's favor.

So you speak for the general consumer then. OK
I was looking for some solid gaming impressions from relatively like minded gamers but they're not forth-coming. I don't want to know that somebody who doesn't give a funk about games likes it. I want to hear that i will like it and that it's somehow a step forward in the right direction. All i'm getting from these impressions so far is "if you don't like it's not for you". Then again maybe that's a good thing considering the price being bandied about

I suppose i come across rather vexed but it's only because i was one of those giving kinect, then natal, the benefit of the doubt
 
First of all, thanks fior the impression, Rabbitwork. Sounds good for what it is right now.

And then I can not believe what I read in here. "They had no fun!, look at them, their smile is forced!" Are you guys serious about this? This is heading into a microscopic partition and I have never seen something like this to be honest. Just because one thinks the Kinect games are not fun, does not mean noone can have fun with them. Take off your cloudy glasses for once.
 
jedimike said:
Despite the collective reaction of GAF, the general consumer loves Kinect. MS still has to nail the price point and marketing to make this the must-have toy this Christmas, but all other signs are pointing in MS's favor.

Sort of a side note, but it's interesting to see how despite apparently low purchase intent or even awareness of Kinect (or Move for that matter) via independent studies, MS PR has consistently been plugging this notion of it being the 'must-have toy this christmas' and painting the picture of the...err...general consumer... being in love with it. Whoever the general consumer is. It's in everything from their Burger King press release to their executive interviews. Usually citing unnamed 'industry observers' and their predictions.

Talk about building a narrative.
 
gofreak said:
Sort of a side note, but it's interesting to see how despite apparently low purchase intent or even awareness of Kinect (or Move for that matter) via independent studies, MS PR has consistently been plugging this notion of it being the 'must-have toy this christmas' and painting the picture of the...err...general consumer... being in love with it. Whoever the general consumer is. It's in everything from their Burger King press release to their executive interviews. Usually citing unnamed 'industry observers' and their predictions.

Talk about building a narrative.
Low purchase intent from e3 attendees right?:lol :lol
 
Alx said:
The River rush gameplay may be very simple, but the more I watch people playing, the more it looks fun. I'm almost saying "hooo" and "haaa" when they miss tokens or manage to get a group of them.
Hearing someone shout "jump" at each ramp reminds me of my first games of Donkey Kong, with all the kids shouting to the player what he had to do. :D

Simple, yep. Doesn't accurately represent all the players actions, yep. More than likely boring as hell for a core gamer playing by themselves, yep. Something I could play with my wife (who is a casual part time gamer) and have fun with, yep. Worth the price of a full game, this part I'm not sure about.
 
SimpleDesign said:
Not all, but there are more than a few stand outs. I know fortified_concept would never own the American corporate bourgeoisie console.

You're an idiot, I can easily prove I have it. You don't want to escalate this because you'll look like a fool.
 
mujun said:
Simple, yep. Doesn't accurately represent all the players actions, yep. More than likely boring as hell for a core gamer playing by themselves, yep. Something I could play with my wife (who is a casual part time gamer) and have fun with, yep. Worth the price of a full game, this part I'm not sure about.
It's part of a collection of 19 other games.
 
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