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King of Fighters XIV - Demo Impressions thread (out now, free)
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The auto combo normals are unique to rush combos.
Yeah, if you activate max mode after hitting with a normal first (i.e. in the midst of a combo) then the max meter is halved.
You can just do QCF and then QCB. You don't have to do HCB.
Alternate motion: QCF, QCF, back+punch or kick
Brt... we only live on opposing coasts. lol
My 100% combo (Shun'ei):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCDBXSTZf2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCDBXSTZf2c
At first it seemed overly complex. As you learn the game and think about it, it's to keep many mis-inputs from the large movelist KOF characters traditionally have. Also, many of them match up quite well with what you've already done: with many chacacters with QCF,HCB supers, you'll have already done the needed "QCF" when throwing the fireball you're about to super cancel out of, of you'r one "Forward" away from a QCF when cancelling a DP into a Ranbu super.
For super throws, I've always found 2 HCB's to be much easier to do than 2 full circles. I also find them much easier and consistent for wakeup reversals as well. The fact I'm not stupidly pressing upwards for "Jump" multiple times also means I don't have to do things like jump first, or throw out normals to let me buffer without jumping into the air.
Also, with throws like HCB,F+A, the F taps can be used to buffer a dash in. So it's easy to do "Run up Super grabs" by doing the first HCB (which means you tapped Forward once), tapping the other forward (which will set you into running if you're fast enough), and then pressing the attack button a split second later. you've effectively dashed in, and then executed your throw. I always found this easier and more visually consistent than Capcom-style Kara-throws, which serve the same purpose.
There is actually method to the madness. That said...
A lot of the new characters have ridiculously simple motions, save for one double QCB for a Climax DM. It's nice they do it this way, but after playing a lot of KI (which prides itself on not having any motions beyond the very basic fighting game ones), I'm quite glad there's more complex motions here. They're not TOO tough (no one needs early 90s SNK motions anymore, those were complex just for secrets sake), the input buffers are huge, and I like the complexity of a motion feeling like it correlates with the drama / damage the move is about to show.
Much like people love that Blazblue had a cast that all felt like they had systems from different games, I think XIV's mix of old, new, and modified characters have design philosophies (moveset wise and character concept wise) that feel like they draw from pretty much all taste in fighters.
B (weak kick) can be used to get a qcb+A throw from almost max kick range. It's a pretty decent punish to set the opponent back at "come at me!" range. If you want to keep them close, do the kick, then a qcf+A.
If you get a wallsplat CD on someone, run up, and do his qcb+K bite attack. It picks them off the ground, and does solid damage, and tosses them to the OTHER side of the screen. If you want to stay close to them for mixups, hop over their body with his jumping C attack. It has a very generous crossup box.
Far C is cancellable to his DINNER TIME super.
A thing for KOD basically seems to be that striking attacks let him stay closer, grapples push him away farther. Use his armored moves (EX qcb+AC, far C, Crouch C, maybe back+A) to annoy people who try to get back in. Use weak attacks and throws to hurt people who you stay close to.
NoctisVsStar
Member
I cant play KOF to save my life.
What are you having issues with?
Try watching this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3KVgI1LvU
Juicebox also has a bunch of really good tutorials in his YT channel for XIII discussing basics, a lot of that should apply to XIV as well.
Great work!
He's my fave too. At first I was going to hold back on him because Angel will be on my day 1 team and I didn't want to learn two chain characters at the same time but this demo really sold me on him.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Nice .
It so easy to kill with him if you have supers .
It easy to do those motion even on pad .
Plus it not only KOF that has them arc games also .
Same for some other anime fighting games.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Playing with 4 buttons and in order to use ex moves you have to activate maxmode. SF is too engrained within me.
cryptosporidium
Member
Say what you will about the graphics and characters, at least Kyo looks like Kyo. (Looking at you SFV Ken). Everything feels tight and good which Im enjoying too
I'm trying to go all in on learning Kof, working my way up through the orochi saga as of now. hopefully wont get bodied online (if its good netcode).
I'm trying to go all in on learning Kof, working my way up through the orochi saga as of now. hopefully wont get bodied online (if its good netcode).
Please don't say that. I hate Juri and my demo is currently downloading. :/
I hate to break it to you. If you hate how Juri plays, you're fine. If you hate crazy ladies in Japanese games, you're fucked.
dragonzdogma
Member
How do you do the follow up to rising efreet?
Does anyone know?
The upwards fist and its clenched animation.
It's his ex dp, have to be in max mode.
butman
Member
SNK wants you to eat the salad before the meat.
I don't really like Juri either, as to me (as a KOF first person) she seems like a crappy mix of Vice / Mature with Kim, lol. She never fulfils what I expect from her archetype, being one of the only female villans in SF. You could compare how I feel about her to how people feel about Shun'Ei in this game. (Just to be clear, this is in no way an insult to people who DO like her! I don't think she's a horribly made character in general, she just doesn't work for me.)
But I'm rather enjoying Sylvie. (Desk also made his first ever KOF video of her, if you wanna see!) Her craziness walks a fine line between being calculated, and being an acceptable way to tell the world "I'm not really quite right!" at the same time. She's not so overblown that I can't see her functioning as a normal person too, basically.
While noting nice character deets, I like how one of Nelson's Victory poses is to scream the name of his comatose fiancé, Liccia. Even though he has an obviously tragic backstory, it's nice that it's being used to show us how strong he is to go against it, instead of making him a depressing, overly-sympathetic figure.
I swear Shun'Ei mumbles something in low English, lol. It's a nice little extra detail, that I doubt many will pay attention to or appreciate. Just like being able to tap different places on the controllers flat pad in training, to reset to the far left, middle, or right.
But I'm rather enjoying Sylvie. (Desk also made his first ever KOF video of her, if you wanna see!) Her craziness walks a fine line between being calculated, and being an acceptable way to tell the world "I'm not really quite right!" at the same time. She's not so overblown that I can't see her functioning as a normal person too, basically.
While noting nice character deets, I like how one of Nelson's Victory poses is to scream the name of his comatose fiancé, Liccia. Even though he has an obviously tragic backstory, it's nice that it's being used to show us how strong he is to go against it, instead of making him a depressing, overly-sympathetic figure.
I swear Shun'Ei mumbles something in low English, lol. It's a nice little extra detail, that I doubt many will pay attention to or appreciate. Just like being able to tap different places on the controllers flat pad in training, to reset to the far left, middle, or right.
Yeah, that'd be nice. I still like most of the actions, though; Sylvie's little wink, point, and zombie-like shuffle pose is full of little details.
dragonzdogma
Member
Strange I'm in maxmode and it wont work...could it be that it wont work due to a setting I changed in training?
Max mode is triggered via b&c right or lk &hp? Yeah, it's not working.
To Do EX moves in make mode, you need to press 2 of the same type button (2 punches, or 2 kicks). This take part of the remaining max mode time.
These EX moves cannot be done outside MAX mode, unlike most games.
dragonzdogma
Member
Why didn't they put that in the move list?
No wonder, I kept thinking street fighter V as in regular moves would become stronger.
RedAssedApe
Banned
the voices for the characters is so low. sounds muffled.
and then suddenly gets all loud when you do a super lol...
and then suddenly gets all loud when you do a super lol...
Brian_FETO
Banned
I kindof love Sylvie
And hey Nelson is great too! Haven't really played boxers before but love his speed
And hey Nelson is great too! Haven't really played boxers before but love his speed
It might have been in the tutorial? (haven't been through it myself yet.)
Every "Special Move" move of every character has an EX version (there are very few exceptions), and some of them can even almost become new moves.
Each move really COULD use a Killer Instinct-like description for each and every variation of it, that defines all the changes and special features, but that'd probably scare even more people away from the game, as each movelist would become a light novel.
The Move list also doesn't list Target Combos (like Mai's st.LK, st.HK), which is a weird omission as well.
Nice. I wonder if some of the SF4 crowd will come around to KoF XIV since max mode is like a less dumb FADC. Of course, max mode has been around forever but who cares about such details!
Speaking of max, Max is streaming KoF tonight. Hopefully he enjoys the demo, I have a feeling he will since the controls feel less of a barrier this time around and the characters are legit fun, even if it's 1v1 in the demo.
It's in the general tutorial, as it applies to all characters and their specials.
Hellshingu
Member
Finally got some time with the game. I'm liking it so far feels like the older titles to me.
One thing that I am not used to right now is the jumps. They feel off but I'm sure once I play more I'll get used to them. Game also feels a little stiff but that is probably just the animations as we've been spoiled this gen by xrd and sfv. Other than that I can't wait to get the full game.
One thing that I am not used to right now is the jumps. They feel off but I'm sure once I play more I'll get used to them. Game also feels a little stiff but that is probably just the animations as we've been spoiled this gen by xrd and sfv. Other than that I can't wait to get the full game.
dragonzdogma
Member
Okay I gave up on a combo I had in mind for shun ei, if anyone wants to give it a go be my guest and post a video 
Jump hk
Hk
Maxmode
Hp
Sky axe
Blau wing
Demolish dimension
Extra points if you start the combo by using thruster vision front.
Jump hk
Hk
Maxmode
Hp
Sky axe
Blau wing
Demolish dimension
Extra points if you start the combo by using thruster vision front.
As mentioned before, it is the EX version (LP + HP) =)
Now I have a 72% Mai combo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUKsBkkdUzw
It's really hard to do big combos with Mai, or at least I didn't figure out how to make it easier. But this one is pretty cool I guess.
This is my first time playing KOF, and there are some unintuitive design decisions that strike me as SNK wanting to arbitrarily differentiate themselves from Capcom. A lot of the command inputs are dumb. Granted, Im terrible at fighting games and probably dont know what Im talking about, but this game would be so much more enjoyable with traditional Street Fighter inputs. I do like the roster diversity and move sets, but the core gameplay is a little too technical for my liking. I guess KOF just isnt my thing.
MisterLuffy
Member
I went through the tutorials before going to training. I tried out Nelson. He's a bit hard for me, also it's my first time playing KOF XIII like game if I can word it that way. Doing dash + short hop is kind of hard in a sense I always get Nelson to do high jump instead of short hop.
I've had this question since 1991
Does anyone actually like Andy Bogard? This dude has been in every fucking game since Fatal Fury 1 and I feel like I've never met an Andy Bogard fan. But they keep putting him in there. Mai needs to treat herself and move up to Terry obsession.
Does anyone actually like Andy Bogard? This dude has been in every fucking game since Fatal Fury 1 and I feel like I've never met an Andy Bogard fan. But they keep putting him in there. Mai needs to treat herself and move up to Terry obsession.
Andy is a popular character I guess. I like him, but he is fugly at KOF XIV =/
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
Awesome, time to pass a couple of hours training with KOD. Thank you!
Naa, this isn't MK. SNK games have been around since the early 90s, and they've cut back a lot of "stupid input for the sake of hiding moves" this and that. They've made SNK games with simpler inputs (Garou), and they've also made many new characters in THIS game with simpler inputs (Street Fighter-ish motions only). SNK fans like SNK motions, and this even comes up in other developers games (such as "Ranbu" supers in others games using the SNK motion for such things, rather than 2 QCFs.)
Personally, I find most airdash games of old harder, and I probably hated the Charge motion supers in SF more than anything in modern SNK motions. High jump cancel specials also seem much harder to me, that a simple thumb or wrist roll.
When I first booted up this demo, I actually had an issue doing double qcb+P stuff, but that quickly went away as I got used to this games personal speed.
Growing up, my brother and I would have Andy VS Terry fights in any game that allowed it. He still generally always has Andy on his KoF teams, and he likes Hokutomaru in Garou because he's Andy's student.
I always found him a much more interesting "Ken" to Terry's "Ryu", and he gets some pretty interesting stuff in the Real Bout games.
Not a problem!
Let us know if you discover anything else not mentioned 'round here!
Finaika
Member
Andy is always in Terry's shadow though, unlike Ken.
gundamkyoukai
Member
No way man .
I have been a fan of Andy since fatal fury days .
My middle name is andy so when i was young playing a person that had the same name was awesome lol .
Still i play him to this day because he is a lot of fun in KOF games.