Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Meh lil story beats here and there the community doesn't really talk much even with all these new announcements and stuff so I figured why not start a conversation. How to save roxas and Ven was my first topic
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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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oreomunsta
Banned
Oh okay! I thought you and Napalm were talking about the same thing, and it seemed like Utada had announced the KH3 theme or something
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I stopped trying it's just a dog pile of ignorance now. It's definitely not hard now that theres collections
Yeah same here. People really don't want to take a second to look them up.
There's one guy that has a meltdown about the series in every KH thread too smh.
Napalm_Frank
Member
badcrumble
Member
[very serious voice] look, kingdom hearts games and nintendo consoles are both for emotionally crippled adults and their true destiny is together
oreomunsta
Banned
The jokes about KH's story being a total mess is approaching "Half Life 3 release when?" levels of gaming meme-ness.
It's a messy story, yes, but we don't need it repeated every time the games are brought up.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
So much this every thread turns into it. Nd 9/10 it's the "I only played 1&2 and I'm lost as hell" crowd...yea!? No shit you're lost lol
You guessed it my friend. Glad I'm not the only one who noticed his habit.Lemme guess, the guy with SMB3 avatar?
Love that guy
NHarmonic.
Member
Is tiring and it happens on every KH thread. Nice that we'll finally have all the games on 1 console so this shit will cease with a single phrase.
badcrumble
Member
If Dream Drop Distance is anything to go by, KH3 will also do its best to make recaps of the previous games in the series available in case people are confused on any particular plot point.
It's not like Nomura's unaware of the fact that KH has a convoluted plot. It's pretty obviously become a selling point for the series, if anything.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Nah it only sells because of Disney. All those handheld entry's that sold well(one of them of which has fuck all to do with Disney really/days) has to do with the Disney connection/s
badcrumble
Member
That's not really what the trailers would indicate (and I assume the trailers are tuned in part by focus group feedback). Trailers make it seem as though the appeal of Disney material and the appeal of KH-plot material are about evenly balanced, since they get roughly equal time.
edit: ohhhh that was a sarcasm thing
NHarmonic.
Member
Those were really useful, and to the point. I guess what i'd like is a basic explanation of what master xehanort did, so we can organize the pieces correctly in time. With that said the plot in 3 is quite straightforward.
badcrumble
Member
The setup at the end of DDD gives it a fairly simple framework for reasons to visit Disney worlds and so on, but there's still plenty of room for it to go crazy.
To be fair most series don't treat the canon of their portable titles with so much importance in relation to the current story. They're usually reserved for side adventures or to give background plot. You can understand the story of FFVII or God of War without ever touching any of the portable titles, for example.
Since they were portable and weren't numbered, people were probably more likely to skip them in favor of the core games, but Kingdom Hearts likes to bounce back and forth in time with each of its releases and pretty much everything that isn't a Disney world plot is so important that it's easy to get lost. The best you could do is skip Coded. Reading the plot doesn't help either.
Whenever someone asks what Kingdom Hearts is about I tell them it's about a bunch of teenagers and Disney characters beating up an old man looking for his keys.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I see now why kingdom heart threads aren't made very often
I had not thought about looking for a KH Community Thread until now (well, after I read the last thread and got fed up).
blablabla convoluted mess just press X and ignore the rest etc.
Also : 1.5, 2.5, 2.8
Is math really that hard ?
Even without this : google "Kingdom Hearts release order", boom, there it is.
Seriously...
Oh well, I'll stick to this thread now.
lol, that's on point
blablabla convoluted mess just press X and ignore the rest etc.
Also : 1.5, 2.5, 2.8
Is math really that hard ?
Even without this : google "Kingdom Hearts release order", boom, there it is.
Seriously...
Oh well, I'll stick to this thread now.
lol, that's on point
NHarmonic.
Member
The coldsteel phase sounds better.
So what worlds y'all think are gonna come back for 3. I feel that Port Royal will come back and loosely adapt Dead Man's Chest and At World's End. I see a TRON world coming back based on the original movie again. Probably get a proper Lilo and Stitch world set in Hawaii ala Neverland.
I don't see any world from DDD coming back for 3 to be honest.
Edit: Begs the question if they will include most of the worlds belonging to the princesses of hearts given the plot.
I don't see any world from DDD coming back for 3 to be honest.
Edit: Begs the question if they will include most of the worlds belonging to the princesses of hearts given the plot.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Mysterious tower,twilight town, Olympus Colosseum/ mount Olympus are all in. I'd be fine with no more repeats.
We have 5 worlds confirmed
3 I mentioned
Tangled
Big hero 6
I'd like the rest to be all new as well
I think Aladdin/Agrabah might return yet again for an adaptation of the King of Thieves. Though I know a lot of fans are sick of Agrabah at this point. Not sure what others will return that haven't been confirmed, maybe Halloween Town.
badcrumble
Member
Agrabah worlds have generally been the best ones for exploration and platforming, though. I'm kind of tired of it but at least King of Thieves is good fun. I wouldn't be mad.
I still think either Marvel or Star Wars is gonna show up to some degree.
I've actually really enjoyed the Agrabah worlds myself, just seen a lot of people on the internet say they're sick of it haha.
Yeah I think at least one of the two will show up and I wouldn't mind either one being in.
badcrumble
Member
if there's a Star Wars world I still think Dagobah's the most likely; some 'train with Yoda and confront the darkness' stuff makes sense, and it keeps things simple by leaving Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford out of it
KH has obviously lampshaded a whole lot of Star Wars references anyway (lightsabers, incredibly obvious Anakin Skywalker analogues, light and dark) and I think it'd be more fun to slyly acknowledge it than to keep pretending it isn't going on
KH has obviously lampshaded a whole lot of Star Wars references anyway (lightsabers, incredibly obvious Anakin Skywalker analogues, light and dark) and I think it'd be more fun to slyly acknowledge it than to keep pretending it isn't going on
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
I don't think 3 will have marvel or star wars worlds I bet it'll only be cameos and weapon references
badcrumble
Member
I think Square-Enix and Disney like money, though.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Pixar tho. If its all about money
Cars
Zootopia
Frozen(it's in either way)
Toy story
Yada should be in no question
Big Hero 6 is a Marvel property, so Marvel is already in, though I guess you could argue it's based more on the movie, which was produced by Disney's animation side, and thus doesn't count as a "proper" Marvel IP. Or whatever.
That's more or less what I'm hoping for. I'm not sure I want an entire Star Wars world, but I would kill for a secret Darth Vader boss fight.
oreomunsta
Banned
There's obviously going to be a Star Wars world.
It would just be awkward to not have one after they reveal that Darth Vader is one of the new Organization's members
It would just be awkward to not have one after they reveal that Darth Vader is one of the new Organization's members
NHarmonic.
Member
lol, but seriously, IMO he's not making any "non-SE" characters a part of the 13 darknesses. Though there are still some blank spots, Nomura can easily fill them with
Sora
oreomunsta
Banned
Yeah, I know, Org 13 isn't branching out
Still though, it'd be hilarious to have the 13 darknesses say one sentence in different pieces and then reveal Vader as the last one.
"...warriors of light..."
"...you cannot hope..."
"...to deafeat the power of..."
*pphhhfoooo-haaa breathing intensifies*
*Vader pulls down his cloak's hood*
"...THE DARK SIDE."
*Everyone but Sora appears confused af. Sora still getting over Lea having a keyblade.*
--End Scene--
BBS would've been the perfect place for a Star Wars world. An interaction between Vader and Terra with Terra realizing that Vader is what he might become if he gives in to the darkness, then he ends up defeating Vader and strengthens his resolve to try and resist it and leaves, planting doubt in Vader's mind as to whether or not he made the right decision. Or it can go the other direction and get could fight Vader to a draw or almost lose and Vader berates him for holding back the power of the dark side.
Plus both only wanted power to protect those that they cared about and both ended up losing everyone because of it.
This could probably be done with Riku too with a few modifications. Or he can show up years later in the Return of the Jedi world and help convince Vader to turn on Sidious.
Then Aqua could chill with Yoda and learn some wisdom and give context to her "hate and rage" comment towards the end of BBS, and Venus could get into shenanigans with Han and Chewie because friendship.
He becomes a heartless in the manga, I think.
Plus both only wanted power to protect those that they cared about and both ended up losing everyone because of it.
This could probably be done with Riku too with a few modifications. Or he can show up years later in the Return of the Jedi world and help convince Vader to turn on Sidious.
Then Aqua could chill with Yoda and learn some wisdom and give context to her "hate and rage" comment towards the end of BBS, and Venus could get into shenanigans with Han and Chewie because friendship.
He becomes a heartless in the manga, I think.
It wont happen now and will probably be a Sora & Co arrive when everyones on the Death Star type scenerio now, but i'd have loved a scenerio where Vader takeson Riku or Terra on as his temporary apprentice due to feeling their power with the dark side of the force. (again wishful thinking on my part, but the fanboy in me would be so happy)
I'd hope they get Mark back to voice Luke considering he voiced Eraqus in Birth By Sleep.
badcrumble
Member
This is also true of the seven lights (it's obviously gonna be seven keyblade wielders).
True. I figure it'll be Sora/Riku/Kairi, Mickey, Terra/Aqua/Ventus if they're gonna be straightforward about it (sub in Lea for Terra as needed, assuming the Lea/Isa and Terranort subplots go all the way to the endgame).
Roxas, Xion, and Namine are gonna be comparatively on the back burner for KH3, most likely.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Well Mickey of course
badcrumble
Member
Yeah, they've slyly lampshaded the Star Wars stuff a lot - they might as well just bring it out into the open since it's basically free money *and* it'd be great fun.
So for the currently revealed darknesses we got:
Master Xehanort
Young Xehanort
Ansem, Seeker of Darkness
Xemnas
Xigbar
Saix
I feel that these characters could be potential darknesses:
Riku-Replica
KH1 Riku
Terra-Xehanort
Marluxia
Larxene
Vanitas
Ventus
The Rikus and Vanitas will be time travel shenanigans.
Marluxia and Larxene could be consequences for trying to overthrow the organization.
Aqua probably takes Ventus out of his sleeping chamber when she's rescued then Xehanort snatches him up or something.
It really is hard to predict who the darknesses will be though. The only one I'm really sure of out of what I wrote is Marluxia because of his new Nobody spawn in one of the KH3 trailers but it is most likely nothing.
Hell make Marluxia return in any context.
Master Xehanort
Young Xehanort
Ansem, Seeker of Darkness
Xemnas
Xigbar
Saix
I feel that these characters could be potential darknesses:
Riku-Replica
KH1 Riku
Terra-Xehanort
Marluxia
Larxene
Vanitas
Ventus
The Rikus and Vanitas will be time travel shenanigans.
Marluxia and Larxene could be consequences for trying to overthrow the organization.
Aqua probably takes Ventus out of his sleeping chamber when she's rescued then Xehanort snatches him up or something.
It really is hard to predict who the darknesses will be though. The only one I'm really sure of out of what I wrote is Marluxia because of his new Nobody spawn in one of the KH3 trailers but it is most likely nothing.
Hell make Marluxia return in any context.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
So who are the seven lights
Sora
Riku
Mickey
Ven
Aqua
Kairi
And since Terra is on the other side Lea takes his place?
Sora
Riku
Mickey
Ven
Aqua
Kairi
And since Terra is on the other side Lea takes his place?
badcrumble
Member
Terranort's most likely going to be one of them. MX has obviously tried (and occasionally succeeded) to steal light-aligned keyblade wielders over to his side in order to disrupt the seven lights so he can go for the easy-mode attack-the-princesses solution, though, so potentially we'll see Sora do the same thing by rescuing Terra before the endgame. The time travel shit technically kinda allows Terra and Terranort to both be in the mix at the same time, I suppose.
Ventus is pretty out of the question as far as darkness is concerned (his damaged-ass heart is pure light). I think Vanitas is an easy and obvious candidate, though.
MX, YX, Terranort, Ansem SoD, Xemnas, Xigbar, Saix, and Vanitas are the only characters we've seen with the trademark yellow eyes (Riku and the Riku Replica never did, and neither did any other Organization XIII members), though, so... who knows who else it'll be. I wouldn't be too surprised to see KH 2.8 shed some light on this (especially with the Forerunners shit).