badcrumble
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I don't know about that. The trend has been to make the Disney characters less important from one game to the next, and that would really go against that trend. I did like how much more Maleficent mattered in KH1, but yeah.
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Kingdom Hearts Community Thread: Now everybody can be a Keyblade Wielder!
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Mitochondrion
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That was interesting. I want to know what was Disney doing in Japan and their business with Square Enix before that the first Kingdom Hearts game was made. I haven't seen anything "Japanese related" stuffs with Disney stuffs. It has always been western made.
Oh and Mashimoto speak English?
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Disneyland Tokyo is a thing, you know.
So is this.
I mean, Disney has been in Japan for decades. Part of the reason anime looks the way it does is because the artists were emulating Disney cartoons. Nintendo even used to sell hanafuda cards with Disney characters back before video games were a thing.
Allow me to quote myself again
DreamDrop said:
I'd be pretty disappointed if KH3 does involve just going back to the same old Disney worlds again. I've had enough of Agrabah, Halloween Town, Olympus Coliseum and Atlantica. Let some other Disney worlds have a chance to shine. Also I didn't realise there was a secret boss fight with Julius in KH3D. I hope there's more secret Disney character boss fights in the new games. Finally what new FF/Square characters do you think will cameo in KH3?
badcrumble
Member
I don't think we'll see Halloween Town come back, but I would be surprised if the Olympus Coliseum didn't return (and, as long as it's treated as a coliseum, ideally KH1 style, that's just peachy).
Mirage Arena is infinitely better.
Napalm_Frank
Member
KH1 coliseum>all
I like to think Coliseum as a KH tradition at this point :lol. There's still a bunch of characters they can use, not to mention the obvious Raitoningu cameo.
badcrumble
Member
KH1's Coliseum gives you actual, tangible rewards for beating all four cups all three possible ways; it's a huge bummer than KH2's Hades Paradox Cup doesn't actually give you any reward outside of counting toward journal completion and there's only one possible prize per cup.
The Mirage Arena does a good job of being rewarding again compared to how that stuff was handled in KH2, but it's still got a bunch of problems. A bunch of the rewards you can obtain through the Mirage Arena are *only* useful in multiplayer; you don't gain experience from the Mirage Arena battles, IIRC; and the Command Board and Rumble Racing features are weirdly duplicated there for the sake of having a multiplayer version of each of them.
I'm hoping that KH 2.5 Remix's version of Birth By Sleep tweaks the Mirage Arena difficulty and reward system, because it *could* absolutely be the best in the series when it's revamped to be a strictly single-player experience. But it'd still lack some things that KH1 had (actual storytelling, for example).
Napalm_Frank
Member
Makes me wonder what the fuck were they thinking with KH2 coliseum. It could have potentially been really cool looking but it just ended up being so... bland.
And what the fuck is this? THIS is where it's at.
And what the fuck is this? THIS is where it's at.
badcrumble
Member
Ugh, yeah, seriously one of the worst songs on the KH2 OST and you have to hear SO MUCH OF IT.
Going through everything to actually get your arena level maxed out and fight the extra bosses was insanely annoying. It's the only thing that keeps me from playing BBSFM repeatedly.
The KH2 Colosseum felt rushed to me for some reason.
And the KH2 music is hella terrible. Yoko plz.
badcrumble
Member
Vanilla KH2 didn't have much in the way of quality postgame/side content. Final Mix changed all that, of course, but it mostly did so by addition (crown pieces, mushroom xiii, absent silhouettes, data replicas) rather than by fixing the problems with the Underdrome, adding actual rewards for stuff like the skateboarding minigame, and so on.
My apologies, I meant the colosseum music. It's two and a half minutes of synth farting.
Most of the rest of the soundtrack is stellar.
Except for that game's One Winged Angel remix, which sounds fine in the game but actually listening to it in isolation isn't very good.
Also Atlantica but that goes without saying.
OWA's arrangement in KH2 is the best the song's ever sounded IMO.
badcrumble
Member
KH is a series with some individual bad songs, but the overall soundtracks have always been stellar.
Speaking of music, some fan did a fanmusic for a Frozen world
I got way to excited for this possibility. The fanmusic isn't that bad though I wished he/she didn't stick too much with melody for Do You Want To Build a Snowman
I got way to excited for this possibility. The fanmusic isn't that bad though I wished he/she didn't stick too much with melody for Do You Want To Build a Snowman
Random thought, but I hope in 2.5 they deem fit to retain Sora's handwritten notes in Jiminy's Journal this time for the localized version.
Probably not as simple as downloading a Japan region file and changing all instances of "ULJMXXXXX" to "UCAS40317", huh? Maybe someone here has a copy of the same region and can upload their files.
Probably not as simple as downloading a Japan region file and changing all instances of "ULJMXXXXX" to "UCAS40317", huh? Maybe someone here has a copy of the same region and can upload their files.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I'm gonna start counting days when March hits and complain something about the series every day until we get more 2.5 news.
Now that I think about Nomuras ''season'' comment I'm afraid it becomes more and more likely to be Fall. God damnit SE, can't you see May is the perfect spot for WW release! What even releases then?
Now that I think about Nomuras ''season'' comment I'm afraid it becomes more and more likely to be Fall. God damnit SE, can't you see May is the perfect spot for WW release! What even releases then?
badcrumble
Member
I kinda expect 2.5 news to hit basically right after FFX HD comes out in North America. So: late March.
Likewise for FFXV (at least in Japanese magazines, if not with video footage).
Napalm_Frank
Member
Watch them release it again in Sept when shitton of other games come out within few weeks
.Last time was terrible enough for my wallet (and my patience!). But oh well, time does run fast. Can't believe it's already been like over 4 months since it was officially revealed.
badcrumble
Member
Watch them release it again in Sept when shitton of other games come out within few weeks
Last time was terrible enough for my wallet (and my patience!). But oh well, time does run fast. Can't believe it's already been like over 4 months since it was officially revealed.
Repeat after me: "I don't actually need any games except for Kingdom Hearts."
Also, the December trailer barely showed us any gameplay (though at least there was some). I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot more work to be done in that regard.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Oh, not to worry, I would buy 2.5 over anything that's coming this fall (well, maybe not Danganronpa 2..) ANYWAY I would like to have dem games spread out so my wallet has easier time to digest it all
.IIRC last time it was 1.5, Rayman, Puppeteer, Ducktales, Miku and bunch of others just rammed to a span of few weeks.
I don't think there is much work on gameplay really. If it was playable at JF on PS3 hardware there shouldn't be much of problems getting a huge majority of the game running well easily from that if they had a stable build. I'd imagine the work is more about the new music, new art assets and performance rather than getting the game working. Who knows tho.
Also as you said they have other games still coming out and some that have just released. It's entirely possible the game is basically 99% complete right now but they are just sitting on it for strategic reasons.
Remember that trailer of 1.5 they released less than 3 months before japanese release that showed Re:CoM gameplay with TERRIBLE framerate? I'd imagine they don't want to repeat that.
What if there really was no footage and Kingdom Hearts II.5 was just a mass hallucination?
badcrumble
Member
Oh, not to worry, I would buy 2.5 over anything that's coming this fall (well, maybe not Danganronpa 2..) ANYWAY I would like to have dem games spread out so my wallet has easier time to digest it all
IIRC last time it was 1.5, Rayman, Puppeteer, Ducktales, Miku and bunch of others just rammed to a span of few weeks.
I don't think there is much work on gameplay really. If it was playable at JF on PS3 hardware there shouldn't be much of problems getting a huge majority of the game running well easily from that if they had a stable build. I'd imagine the work is more about the new music, new art assets and performance rather than getting the game working. Who knows tho.
Also as you said they have other games still coming out and some that have just released. It's entirely possible the game is basically 99% complete right now but they are just sitting on it for strategic reasons.
Remember that trailer of 1.5 they released less than 3 months before japanese release that showed Re:CoM gameplay with TERRIBLE framerate? I'd imagine they don't want to repeat that.
Yeah, for sure. (And CoM was running much better by the time it released, if I recall correctly - I can't remember if it was Raging Storm or Firaga Burst that caused the slowdown but I'm pretty sure it was fine in the final game).
That's a world I don't want to live in cause I am really looking forward to playing BBS again. It's been about a year since I last touched it.
I actually still haven't bought 1.5, I really need to at some point, but, there is just so many other games I want to buy and not much cash.
badcrumble
Member
I hope the next time KH 2.5 HD Remix gets presented it means much more gameplay footage, more talk with the press, answers about what they'll be doing with the Mirage Arena and what kind of musical/visual improvements we can expect.
I'd also not mind an actual direct answer about when they'll bring KHDD or its cutscenes to consoles, but I don't expect them to talk about that yet.
Oh, and I'm really really hoping that the scenes that didn't get English voice-overs for KH2FM will finally get that for this release.
I'd also not mind an actual direct answer about when they'll bring KH
DD or its cutscenes to consoles, but I don't expect them to talk about that yet.Oh, and I'm really really hoping that the scenes that didn't get English voice-overs for KH2FM will finally get that for this release.
Tizoc
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Ooof that seems risky, but I'll tell my brother about it, thanks.
At worst it'll give a "data corrupt - cannot be loaded" message.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I hope the next time KH 2.5 HD Remix gets presented it means much more gameplay footage, more talk with the press, answers about what they'll be doing with the Mirage Arena and what kind of musical/visual improvements we can expect.
I'd also not mind an actual direct answer about when they'll bring KH
Oh, and I'm really really hoping that the scenes that didn't get English voice-overs for KH2FM will finally get that for this release.
That also reminds me that outside some of the bullshot models all the released media for 1.5 looked like fuckin ass compared to the final game. I couldn't believe how sharp the game looked compared to the trailers and gameplay previews. I'll never understand why publishers don't pay attention to the IQ of material they release. You'd think they actually want to hurt the hype. Luckily we have sites like Eg df and gamersbyte(?) that actually release quality footage.
About Xehanort.
Xehanort is a force of darkness, but that doesn't make him evil. Darkness is not a force of evil but rather of chaos. It follows no order or rules and like fire, wants to expand. If handled leniently it consumes you, but if handled with force can become a dangerous and powerful weapon that can be used for good or evil. Riku basically confirms this. Light, on the other hand, is order. Order, by most people, is seen as a good things while chaos is often completely shunned. However, too much of either is a bad thing. Though his methods are questionable at best, Xehonart isn't necessarily wrong in seeking to restore the balance and opposing the tyranny of light.
Xehanort's win condition is not precluded by his defeat. In fact, the other incarnations in the series have achieved their goals only to be defeated despite. Ansem SOD sought to open the door to Kingdom Hearts and did just that, only to be annihilated by the light contained within. Xemnas sought to merge with Kingdom Hearts and, though damaged, did just that only to be foiled by efforts of Sora and Riku. OG Master Xehanort sought a new body and got it, only to get his ass beat so bad by Aqua that he caught a case of amnesia. So that brings us to Xehanort's win condition. Xehanort doesn't want to cover the worlds in darkness or conquer the universe: he simply wants to reforge the χblade and open up Kingdom Hearts, what else happens is a side effect of his end goal. Granted, to what end he wants to use Kingdom Heart is a valid question and it could be that he intends to use it for nefarious intent, but there is no reason that KH3 can't have him succeed before he fails. Plus:
"The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light.
The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness."
The last sentence of the foreteller's script tells us he'll most likely succeed. Having a massive sea change such as "covering all the worlds in darkness" or "reunify the worlds" would be a pretty good setup for KH4, as they can fully justify throwing out all of the previous backstory and events.
As an improbable side note, Xehanort might actually just be a determinator and really one of the good guys, a la DiZ/Ansem the Wise. Also worth considering is that they probably want to keep blood off of Sora's hands: to date, he's not killed an entelechy, only nobodies and heartless. Regardless of how you feel about Bad Man X, having Sora straight up off him would be a little extreme to say the least, so it would be an easier route to have Xehanort's victory be his ultimate undoing. Speaking of which:
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About Sora.
I've for a long time held that Sora is more likely one of the darknesses that one of the lights, but there was something that just now clicked for me. This is Sora in KH1. And here he is in KH2. Did you catch that? Let me give you a few hints. Here's Isa in BBS. And here he is in 3D. Here's Braig in BBS. And here's 3D Braig. So why is this relevant? This pictures show that Xehanort's encroachment on the heart has a quantifiable visual effect on the characters appearance, namely the golden eyes, and the lightened hair until it eventually turns grey. So what then can we take from Sora's lightened hair from KH1 to KH2?
Xehanort is a force of darkness, but that doesn't make him evil. Darkness is not a force of evil but rather of chaos. It follows no order or rules and like fire, wants to expand. If handled leniently it consumes you, but if handled with force can become a dangerous and powerful weapon that can be used for good or evil. Riku basically confirms this. Light, on the other hand, is order. Order, by most people, is seen as a good things while chaos is often completely shunned. However, too much of either is a bad thing. Though his methods are questionable at best, Xehonart isn't necessarily wrong in seeking to restore the balance and opposing the tyranny of light.
Xehanort's win condition is not precluded by his defeat. In fact, the other incarnations in the series have achieved their goals only to be defeated despite. Ansem SOD sought to open the door to Kingdom Hearts and did just that, only to be annihilated by the light contained within. Xemnas sought to merge with Kingdom Hearts and, though damaged, did just that only to be foiled by efforts of Sora and Riku. OG Master Xehanort sought a new body and got it, only to get his ass beat so bad by Aqua that he caught a case of amnesia. So that brings us to Xehanort's win condition. Xehanort doesn't want to cover the worlds in darkness or conquer the universe: he simply wants to reforge the χblade and open up Kingdom Hearts, what else happens is a side effect of his end goal. Granted, to what end he wants to use Kingdom Heart is a valid question and it could be that he intends to use it for nefarious intent, but there is no reason that KH3 can't have him succeed before he fails. Plus:
"The war in that place will lead to the defeat and destruction of the Light.
The World will be enveloped in eternal Darkness."
The last sentence of the foreteller's script tells us he'll most likely succeed. Having a massive sea change such as "covering all the worlds in darkness" or "reunify the worlds" would be a pretty good setup for KH4, as they can fully justify throwing out all of the previous backstory and events.
As an improbable side note, Xehanort might actually just be a determinator and really one of the good guys, a la DiZ/Ansem the Wise. Also worth considering is that they probably want to keep blood off of Sora's hands: to date, he's not killed an entelechy, only nobodies and heartless. Regardless of how you feel about Bad Man X, having Sora straight up off him would be a little extreme to say the least, so it would be an easier route to have Xehanort's victory be his ultimate undoing. Speaking of which:
_________________________________________________________________________
About Sora.
I've for a long time held that Sora is more likely one of the darknesses that one of the lights, but there was something that just now clicked for me. This is Sora in KH1. And here he is in KH2. Did you catch that? Let me give you a few hints. Here's Isa in BBS. And here he is in 3D. Here's Braig in BBS. And here's 3D Braig. So why is this relevant? This pictures show that Xehanort's encroachment on the heart has a quantifiable visual effect on the characters appearance, namely the golden eyes, and the lightened hair until it eventually turns grey. So what then can we take from Sora's lightened hair from KH1 to KH2?
badcrumble
Member
I think some pictures are missing from your post.
But also, don't forget that Roxas merges back with Sora before Sora becomes playable in KH2, which could account for the hair-lightening business.
But also, don't forget that Roxas merges back with Sora before Sora becomes playable in KH2, which could account for the hair-lightening business.
But Kairi looks the same in 3D despite Naminé
This is what I'm going with.
It's not uncommon for them to sneak in call forwards. For example, Tink and Roxas, or the Recusant Sigil and the outfits of Ventus, Aqua, and Terra and even Riku.
Sora's hair was lighter (some might say paler) in beta footage of KH1. It was darkened before the game was released. His 2D character art shows him with the lighter brown hair, though. KH2 just changed it back to the lighter shade that Nomura probably preferred. I personally don't see anything in that.
I would be okay with Xehanort "succeeding" despite defeat and completely flooding the worlds with Darkness as an aftereffect of his desires. One saga leads to another.
The only RS confirmed is the one on Sora in 3D. Unless stated otherwise, any other X's should be considered as just a design theme and nothing more.
I would be okay with Xehanort "succeeding" despite defeat and completely flooding the worlds with Darkness as an aftereffect of his desires. One saga leads to another.
The only RS confirmed is the one on Sora in 3D. Unless stated otherwise, any other X's should be considered as just a design theme and nothing more.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Maybe Xehanort used Sora while he was sleeping in that pod.
And the events of DDD were just a red herring to make us feel safe.
And the events of DDD were just a red herring to make us feel safe.
Any "changes" you're seeing can easily be covered by that one all-important caveat: they're older. Designs change to reflect the difference between then and now. Is his being taller also mean he's being transformed into a dark entity?
Um... that just reinforces my point. Anyway, you're overlooking something: why would Aqua and Terra have a Sigil on there persons before ever meeting Master Xehanort? Xehanort even admits in his 11th Report not knowing about Terra and Aqua until he first arrives to drop off Ventus. And then there's Ventus, who had a slightly-different uniform with no X when training with MX, and then magically gains one after he's been left with Eraqus.
Because really, it sounds a lot like Master Eraqus is the one handing out the X's here, not MX.
Riku and Kairi are both older as well and neither of them had a a comparable change. Though it's possible that Riku's hair might have lightened as well, it's so pale that it's difficult to tell any difference. Also, no one likes a jerkass.
Nothing in that contradicts me. That was quite obviously written some time before the events of BBS, so Xehanort knew about Terra. Also, the only one manipulated directly by Xehanort was Terra. Now, let's look at their outfits:
Yes all three do have X across their chests. But if you look at Aqua and Ventus, their X is broken by the Mark of Mastery. This is why Aqua and Ventus keep running into Vanitus in their respective story modes: Xehanort con only track Terra, so he has to seen Vanitas to physically confirm the location of the other two. It not just the X the matters; it has to be an unbroken X. And we have no idea when Xehanort discovered he could track the recusant's sigil, but I'm certain that Nomura had it in mind for quite some time. Going back to the tendency of KH games to call forward, the recusant sigil was called forward way back in the first Kingdom Hearts, wherein Riku's dark mode outfit had a Heartless symbol sans the X. Why? Because even after he fell to darkness, his heart was so strong as to not be branded by Xehanort; this also served as foreshadowing for Riku's eventual ability to break the shackles Ansem SOD held on his heart and wield the dark as his own.
First things first:
I see. So now everything I say or do to counter any of your points will be seen as jerkish behavior and not just basic critiques or any kind of meaningful debate. Nice.
And by "comparable change" we're solely talking about the hair-lightening thing? Just that, and nothing else right?
Look, I agree about the Xehanort influencing thing with the gold eyes since that's a very obvious change (Braig). But hair jumping from one shade to another, slightly-different shade? Especially when we saw Terra's go full-on white as soon as he was possessed? Also: no mention of the pointy ears?
That wasn't the point. Yes, the report was written before BbS plays out, but after he first meets Eraqus' apprentices. Yet they already have X's on their uniforms. So is he lying in his report? Does he already know about Terra before that point?
What a horrible tracking device, being so easy to disrupt. You can place any old thing on top of it and it just stops working. Sora constantly places his hand over his heart during the course of 3D: the 13 darknesses must have running around frantic every time his "signal" vanished.
On that note: I just realized Aqua never got her plat for becoming a master. ;_;
Or... he didn't have one because it hadn't been thought up yet. I think you might be overthinking this. I'm going to go with my original assessment and presume that the extra X's mean little or nothing in the grand scheme of things and it's just a design choice. Of course, there's nothing stopping Nomura from retconning them into something meaningful... but as it stands there's currently not enough evidence to suggest they're anything special except extrapolations and vaguely fanfic-like theories.
I see. So now everything I say or do to counter any of your points will be seen as jerkish behavior and not just basic critiques or any kind of meaningful debate. Nice.
And by "comparable change" we're solely talking about the hair-lightening thing? Just that, and nothing else right?
Look, I agree about the Xehanort influencing thing with the gold eyes since that's a very obvious change (Braig). But hair jumping from one shade to another, slightly-different shade? Especially when we saw Terra's go full-on white as soon as he was possessed? Also: no mention of the pointy ears?
That wasn't the point. Yes, the report was written before BbS plays out, but after he first meets Eraqus' apprentices. Yet they already have X's on their uniforms. So is he lying in his report? Does he already know about Terra before that point?
What a horrible tracking device, being so easy to disrupt. You can place any old thing on top of it and it just stops working. Sora constantly places his hand over his heart during the course of 3D: the 13 darknesses must have running around frantic every time his "signal" vanished.
On that note: I just realized Aqua never got her plat for becoming a master. ;_;
Or... he didn't have one because it hadn't been thought up yet. I think you might be overthinking this. I'm going to go with my original assessment and presume that the extra X's mean little or nothing in the grand scheme of things and it's just a design choice. Of course, there's nothing stopping Nomura from retconning them into something meaningful... but as it stands there's currently not enough evidence to suggest they're anything special except extrapolations and vaguely fanfic-like theories.
Soooo I just read the requirements for getting the secret movie in KHII Final Mix. I think I'll go for Proud Mode because fuck the Gummi Missions.
Plus, playing through KH2 (Standard Mode) a while back, it was really easy. Even the notorious bosses I had trouble with when I was younger were a piece of cake (notably Xaldin).
Plus, playing through KH2 (Standard Mode) a while back, it was really easy. Even the notorious bosses I had trouble with when I was younger were a piece of cake (notably Xaldin).
Jiminy's journal is still torture though. I went for critical.
You can always go critical. Ha ha OTL
Are we pretending this wasn't a slight intended to mock me? I mean, we can play the disengenuous game or we can talk about the points I raised.
Of which Sora's hair was the last. I brought up a hell of a lot more than that. But whateves, lets discuss Xehanort and the potential of Sora to be one of the 13 darknesses in oppose to the 7 lights as well as the fact that Xehanort isn't necessarily evil.
I can handle Jiminy's Journal.
Man, I love people who talk about how easy KH2 is. I look forward to you all fighting The data battles and LS.
WeaponKnight
Member
Would Xehanort go trough all that trouble to turn Sora into himself if he was a darkness to begin with?