ZephyrFate
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There is absolutely no way to prove that faggot has evolved beyond 'homosexual'.MIMIC said:
You can keep bringing up this point but it's kind of useless in this argument.
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Kobe Bryant slinging homophobic slur during nationally televised NBA game
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You can keep bringing up this point but it's kind of useless in this argument.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
It means asshole now man, didn't you get the memo?ZephyrFate said:
ZephyrFate
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Just because he didn't mean it that way, again, does not mean that its harm as a sexuality pejorative disappears. In fact, the very reason that faggot has multiple meanings that are all made equivalent actually hurts homosexuals more.Joates said:
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Joates still has never told me why people who think "faggot" means something like asshole, just don't say "asshole" instead. Guess he doesn't want to admit they're using "faggot" for a reason other than just using a mean word, that it's a word specifically meant to hurt guys on a deeper level than "asshole" can. You're trying to offend their masculinity in that instance, and you know it Joates, stop being willfully ignorant. If people wanted to use "asshole" "douchebag" or "fucker" they would, they're specifically choosing "faggot" because it is an attack on another man's pride, and why is it? Because of the tropes of "real" or "manly" men being heterosexual and not effeminate.
This whole discussion with you is just so pointless really. I should go do homework.
This whole discussion with you is just so pointless really. I should go do homework.
Devolution
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Joates said:
At some point they learn what "faggot" really entails and keep on using it, why do you think that is?
Dreams-Visions
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yea...walk in our shoes, then tell us to "lighten up".SlipperySlope said:
Your commentary is only a reminder of how oblivious to the American social experience of minorities, gays and women that a white male can afford to be. No historical perspective at all. Because you've never had to consider it.
ZephyrFate
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And people claim that white people need to be defended.Dreams-Visions said:
From what? Their own ignorance?
Devolution
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Dreams-Visions said:
Hey man some of us whiteys try to look in other perspectives than our privileged mountain top. I guess it's easier though with some minority status lol.
ITT fantasy scenarios:
So one of my coworkers is really obnoxious. He's also gay. One day I stood up and called him a "faggot." He said, "that's not cool." I said "I wasn't insulting you for your homosexuality, I was calling you an asshole." He said, "Oh, really? Now that you've clarified I completely understand. Why am I an asshole?" We've been great friends ever since.
So one of my coworkers is really obnoxious. He's also gay. One day I stood up and called him a "faggot." He said, "that's not cool." I said "I wasn't insulting you for your homosexuality, I was calling you an asshole." He said, "Oh, really? Now that you've clarified I completely understand. Why am I an asshole?" We've been great friends ever since.
Michael Jordan called kwame brown a flaming "maggot." And I think it was off the court when he was the gm of the wizards. jordan is a HUGE douche, I would say he's abigger douche than Kobe and has been known to be a staright up asshole to all. Not defending Kobe, but... Yeah greatness sometimes equals high horse behavior.UrokeJoe said:
shocked by the amount of responces in this thread. Rightfully so tho, i guess, can see both sides of the argument.
Devolution said:
I just answered that question. It could simply be out of habit. Now go ahead and try to tell me Im wrong and it could not possibly be simply out of habit. There must be some sort of hatred for gays somewhere in it. I mean thats the words intrinsic meaning right!!?
Dreams-Visions
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*bro fist*ZephyrFate said:
I try not to get frustrated. But some things are difficult to communicate, as you've found.
Keep up the good work.
@ Devo: <3
Devolution
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Joates said:
And why wouldn't they try to break this habit if they consider themselves decent people?
ZephyrFate
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Oh THAT'S how it works. Okay, well, I'm gonna invent a fantasy scenario where I can call a black person the n-word but invent some totally arbitrary other definition for it. I'm sure they'll understand.Plumbob said:
(i know that this is a joke post)
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Plumbob said:
good post
Devolution
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Joates said:
Nah answer the question, what kind of "decent person" keeps using the word "faggot" knowing full well its history and affects on other people?
ZephyrFate
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yet still, faggot cannot be taken out of context from its homophobic underpinningsJoates said:
ever.
i don't care how much you shout no.
the truth is there, and it's pretty permanent right now.
PhoenixDark
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The vast majority of times I hear "gay" or "faggot" used it has no intention of being a homophobic slur - in the sense that the person is not saying "you're gay and that's bad haha" OVERTLY
But here's the thing: the mere fact that those words have such negative, emasculating intent should tell us something is wrong. Whether your intent is to simply call someone dumb or not, you're identifying those things with a sexuality. When you say "stop being gay and throw the ball faster, jesus" what are you really saying? It's associating "gay" with "weak" or "dumb" or whatever
The best possible comparison is the whole "acting white" or "acting black" thing. I've heard people attempt to use those phrases or variations of them as compliments, or take race out yet it's still there covertly ("you don't act ghetto, you're quite well spoken..."). Regardless of intent there's a negative undercurrent that needs to be exposed.
But here's the thing: the mere fact that those words have such negative, emasculating intent should tell us something is wrong. Whether your intent is to simply call someone dumb or not, you're identifying those things with a sexuality. When you say "stop being gay and throw the ball faster, jesus" what are you really saying? It's associating "gay" with "weak" or "dumb" or whatever
The best possible comparison is the whole "acting white" or "acting black" thing. I've heard people attempt to use those phrases or variations of them as compliments, or take race out yet it's still there covertly ("you don't act ghetto, you're quite well spoken..."). Regardless of intent there's a negative undercurrent that needs to be exposed.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
LOL just thought of a line from one of my favourite movies - "Welcome to the Dollhouse".
ChocolateCupcakes
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Marius_ said:I only quoted you once to prove a point not aimed at you in a derogatory way before I replied to Gaborn with that comment.
which was this
basically you just made an assumption
You proved a point to me by saying that I probably was never discriminated against so how was I supposed to respond?
Sutton Dagger
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ZephyrFate said:
Pretty disappointing that these comments are coming from one of the people who I have supported in this thread.
Monocle said:
An insult yes, the rest is a stretch.
Originally Posted by Joates:
Ask that person what they think Kobe meant when he used it, and not one will claim it was a slur directed at A)the refs sexuality B) anyones sexuality.
Originally Posted by Joates:
Because they typically use "faggot" in place asshole for whatever reason, perhaps just habit. Is this really not possible under any circumstances.
Quoting my earlier reply because you ignored it. Bolded for your edification.
Originally Posted by Monocle:
When the word faggot is used in a pejorative sense, it's pretty bloody clear why it's supposed to be considered insulting. The emasculating association with the homophobic stereotype of the effeminate gay man is obvious to any culturally literate person. You are making a fool and an ass of yourself by ignoring this widely understood fact.
Ok, So when Kobe said that, "The emasculating association with the homophobic stereotype of the effeminate gay man" was going through his head, or was the reason for him saying that. Or could it have been more of a simple insult not necessarily directly tied to homosexuality and or its tendencies?
Youre thinking WAY too much into this.
Devolution
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Joates said:ever? really? Never ever?
by semantics alone, youre wrong
I see you're ignoring me.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
And later on :MIMIC said:
Oh man, I gotta watch it. So awesome.
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btkadams said:
I know! I know!!!
a dude that knows how to make a point in a social situation?
a dude that understands language and its lack of logic, and refuses to condemn certain individuals for a fault they don't even realize that they commit, even if it's inappropriate?
a dude that searches for the root of feelings rather than a cosmetic residual?
a dude that likes other dudes?
LizardKing
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I wish the PC types realized that the way they push their cause hurts what the real issue is about. I mean do you really care that someone uses the word faggot? What you really care about is the fact that gays are accepted, respected and treated as equals. By being "offended" by the word, all you are doing is getting people upset at you for telling them what they can or can't say, which will make them much less likely to listen to what you have to say that is actually important.
ZephyrFate
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People who are not minorities have little reason to be defended. They do not have a concept of characteristics of their birth being attacked.Sutton Dagger said:
I'm not really sorry for what I said, either.
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