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[evangd007]

Except the fact that Bend made a better Uncharted game on their first try than ND has managed in two of their three attempts.

Does the splash screen at load up really make that big of a difference to people? Anyone who objectively plays Uncharted 1-3 and Golden Abyss will have a damn hard time rationalizing how GA, which has better gun play and platforming than any of the PS3 entries, is somehow a lower tier game.

General consensus I've seen among people who have played the entire series (and my opinion as well) is that Uncharted 2 > GA thanks entirely to the precedent of production values it set, while GA > Uncharted 1 and 3.

It's nice that GA is better than UC 1&3, but the problem is not quality, it's perception. Nintendo treats major handheld releases with the pomp and fanfare that they do for major console releases. On the other hand, when a PS3 Uncharted game comes out, Sony fans, Sony themselves, the gaming press, and the gaming community at large treat it like a big fucking deal. GA? Not so much. Much less in fact.

Taking title semantics alone, the difference between Mario Kart 7 and Uncharted: Golden Abyss is essentially Mario Kart: Major Release in the Series and Uncharted: Some Spinoff.

 

[Rollo Lawson]

You know, I see you in the Vita thread a lot, and you're refusal to even acknowledge their might be an issue is kind of baffling. Even with Sony's PR saying "We fucked up with the psp by trying to offer console experiences" and then three paragraphs later he says "This is console gaming on the go. People want these titles". That coupled with the fact that it seems that what SOny is telling us consists of "Vita owners are ps3 owners" and their strategy on that one is to sell them the same games as what they can get on ps3.

That is monumentally fucktarded.

Certainly you realize that? I'm glad the system is working out for you, but seriously, dude, come up for air.

u mad????.jpg

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Koller's remarks, as usual, are incoherent, PR nonsense that contradicts itself.


Likewise, the We-Want-To-See-The-Vita-Fail contingent of gaf has kept up with him with their irrational beliefs that they pass off as facts.



Tretton hates the vita. Really?


Only Kaz likes the Vita, it's forced on everyone else. Really?


Sony has given up on the vita. ...



Are you guys serious? Or is this just blatant trolling? There's definitely a conversation to be had about why the Vita is struggling, but I don't feel like it's happening here. This is just a bunch of people shitting on something they don't like. And we get about three threads a week just like this.


Ugh.

What pisses me off is that people made the same argument against the 3DS until it got its software lineup up and running.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

As far as he's concerned Call of Duty is coming out this fall, which makes for a very strong line-up alongside Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation. These two are the biggest selling IP's on Playstation and are getting a Vita exclusive installment this holiday season.

Little Big Planet, COD, AC: L, Sly 4, Playstation All-stars, Persona 4, Madden, Sound Shapes, Silent Hill, New Little Kings Story. Ragnarok Odyssey make for a pretty strong Fall Lineup in my opinion.

Going by you guys' standards, Wii-U's 2012 fall lineup is one of the best ever.

 

[outunderthestars]

Did someone seriously list Silent Hill as a pro for the Vita this fall

I mean, there's defending something you're like and there's just looking silly and I think we have fallen far to the wrong side.

It's an original take on the franchise, spinning it into what sounds like a pretty fun dungeon crawler that features 4 player online co-op.

As with all games that are not out, the results wait to be seen, but I see no reason to mock people who are interested in the game.

 

[BruiserBear]

There are not a whole lot of system sellers out now, nor system sellers on the horizon either. It's not that Vita has no games. It's that Vita has no games that makes people want to buy a Vita.

Selling a $250+ portable game system is going to be hard these days no matter what games you have on it.

Does the Vita have a handful of very good games on it? Yes, according to review scores it would seem so. You may not be interested in them, but there are some very good games on the platform already, and some very good ones in the pipeline.

 

[Massa]

Going by you guys' standards, Wii-U's 2012 fall lineup is one of the best ever.

It's certainly not one of the worst. If EA Sports and Call of Duty are actually confirmed then it may as well be one of the better ones.

How many systems have you bought at launch?

 

[saichi]

isn't it a little early to be sounding the death knell to the vita? I agree that it has problems, but the 3DS launch was a total disaster too.

PS3 launch was a total disaster.
3DS launch was a total disaster.
VITA is doing worse than the two disaster launches and yet people can't say it's doing bad?

Gravity Rush. One of the best titles this generation, only on Vita. If you bought a 360 to play yet another Halo and don't buy a Vita to play Gravity Rush you are part of the problem.

I take that you bought a Wii for Super Mario Galaxy 1/2.

Super Mario Galaxy 1/2. Many considered the best titles this generation, only on Wii. If you bought a 360/PS3 to play yet another FPS/TPS and don't buy a Wii to play Super Mario Galaxy 1/2 you are part of the problem.

I really don't think it works this way.

Going by you guys' standards, Wii-U's 2012 fall lineup is one of the best ever.

It is. the core game, the bridge game, the casual game, the 3rd party port. Wii U got it all! (ok maybe no niche or RPG or niche RPG games)

 

[outunderthestars]

Going by you guys' standards, Wii-U's 2012 fall lineup is one of the best ever.

How many portable games do you expect to be released in a season?

 

[mboojigga]

E3 didn't please me, but as bad as things are I still can't fathom Sony letting this thing die on the vine. I mean, this is their handheld, and I've yet to see them turn their back on one of their game systems.

Needless to say I still want one. I know it's nuts, but there's enough content on there that I feel a purchase is justifiable. Especially considering I'm the kind of person that would rather play on a handheld than a console.

I also can't get that Vita footage of Jet Set Radio and Sine Mora out of my head. I want those on a portable in a bad way.

Now I just need to find a good Craigslist or ebay deal, cause no way am I paying retail.

Yeah the PSP Go is expected to be forgotten. Especially with the Marcus Campaign showing the PSP instead.

 

[2+2=5]

PS3 launch was a total disaster.
3DS launch was a total disaster.
VITA is doing worse than the two disaster launches and yet people can't say it's doing bad?

Now sells=quality?
Vita launch lineup was in absolute bigger and better than the 3ds one(i don't know the ps3 one)

It is. the core game, the bridge game, the casual game, the 3rd party port. Wii U got it all! (ok maybe no niche or RPG or niche RPG games)

The wiiu launch lineup i know has few games and most of them are casual, old multiplatform games and timed exclusives.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

It's certainly not one of the worst. If EA Sports and Call of Duty are actually confirmed then it may as well be one of the better ones.

How many systems have you bought at launch?

Wii, 3DS, 360, Vita, DS, Gamecube, N64.

WiiU launch line-up is pretty good, but take the launch factor out, and it's not really a "very strong" fall lineup. Neither is the Vita's, which has a significantly weaker lineup for Fall then WiiU (imo).

How many portable games do you expect to be released in a season?

I'm not concerned with quantity here. I'm more concerned with system sellers/quality. Vita needs more then three (more then likely) hand-me down, major-franchise exclusives coupled with a few PS3 ports and a handful of extremely niche titles.

 

[famousmortimer]

What pisses me off is that people made the same argument against the 3DS until it got its software lineup up and running.

And unfortunately for Nintendo fans the Vita hate contingent is going to turn into the Wii-u hate contingent this fall. Anything that isn't made by their mega-corp of choice is trash and must be destroyed.



*sigh*

 

[Figboy79]

Regarding P4, its......godamn Persona 4 on the go. Based on the success of the other Personas on the PSP, pretty sure it will do great.

Regarding LBP Vita: I care about it and judging the GAF beta thread, others do too.

Seriously.

The "because I'm not a fan of XXX series, it clearly means that no one else likes it either" mentality is fucking stupid.

I hate the Call of Duty series with the passion of a thousand suns, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.

I actually played LittleBigPlanet Vita, and was blown away by how good it was. I also owned the PSP LittleBigPlanet, and it was fun, but it didn't quite have all the LBP charm and fun.

LBP Vita is a different animal all together. It really felt like I was playing a console LBP. It LOOKED like the console LBP. The touch screen implementation was also well done, and the level design of the three levels I played was as good or better, than it's been on consoles.

People need to shake that thinking that handheld titles are only bastard versions of console games.

Sure, back in the day, Game Boy games paled in comparison to NES games, and each time handheld gaming got better, console gaming was just too far ahead for it to catch up.

While the Vita definitely isn't a PS3 in your hand, it's pretty damn close. Infinitely closer than the PSP was to the PS2 it so desperately tried to imitate (with varying degrees of success).

Those two analog sticks on the Vita make a world of difference in the types of games possible on the platform.

If there was an Elder Scrolls or Fallout on the Vita, I'd be all over it like flies to shit (granted it was good). It's now completely and utterly possible to have a true ES and Fallout game on a handheld. That's amazing to me, having grown up in the 80's with Game Boys and Game Gears, and Atari Lynxes.

It's just kind of annoying that the most vocal dissidents of the Vita are those that don't own them, or some jaded guy that didn't do his research, and wasn't particularly interested in a portable gaming device to begin with, but bought a Vita because of dat "new tech hype," that can be infectious when people that genuinely are excited for the Vita started talking about it.

I've owned my Vita since it launched in the US on the 22nd. I've had a BLAST with it, and think it's the best handheld I've ever owned, bar none. Once PS1 BC is in place, it could possibly be one of the best gaming machines I've ever owned (well, maybe my BC PS3 still wins out; I do get to play the entire history of PlayStation console gaming on it...).

 

[famousmortimer]

If you think the Vita has had a weak launch lineup you're wrong.

 

[goldenpp72]

Now sells=quality?
Vita launch lineup was in absolute bigger and better than the 3ds one(i don't know the ps3 one)


The wiiu launch lineup i know has few games and most of them are casual, old multiplatform games and timed exclusives.

Sales don't equal quality, and vita did have a superior launch to the 3ds in terms of software quality, the problem is, the same year the 3ds launched, also launched 2 of the biggest games that will ever hit that platform, and those games were amazing titles that trump anything on the Vita in terms of critical reception, sales, etc. Nintendo also showed those games pretty early, in fact, we had known those games would likely hit the day the 3ds was announced. Where as the Vita has not had any event that shows the future, and this is all the platform actually needs. If Sony came out and said look, we have this awesome exclusive coming in august, we have a few more for november, and here is a sneak peak at some awesome 2013 titles, I don't think people (myself included) would be so worried or doom and gloom about the thing.

In history, any system that has promising games usually has a good bit of them announced so people understand what is coming. When 360 launched, we knew kameo, PDZ, pgr3, oblivion, graw, etc were titles to look forward to, and despite that the 360s first year was considered overall poor up until the end of 2006 and beyond.

I can't recall a console or portable that didn't showcase its future titles, the Vita has a very small amount of exclusive games announced for it in the long haul, the question is does that mean there are a lot of games coming that aren't ready to show, or does that mean there aren't a lot of games coming?

Personally, I have never seen a successful console handled this poorly, even the ps3 with its abysmal launch price had a LOT of promising (and at that time, exclusive) titles announced for it. FF13/VS (lol), DMC4, killzone, resistance (new ip at the time), virtua fighter 5, and a lot of other stuff was slated to hit the ps3, and while a lot of those disappointed or went multi platform, it certainly helped paint a picture of what one can expect on the ps3.

The wii U has games like pikmin 3, NSMB, nintendoland, and other interesting looking titles that are exclusive and in fact, unique games. While we know very little about what may be coming to it next year, that may well be because it doesn't launch for months and all they are focusing on showing us is launch/window titles.

If by e3 next year the Wii U shows nothing but 360/ps3 ports, that will piss off and instill doubt in a lot of people just the same, but even that would be better than what Vita pretty much got at e3 :/

 

[Vorg]

I don't get how sony watched the 3ds crash and burn at 250 and still priced the vita the same.
And the 3ds is the follow up to one of the best selling consoles ever.

What did they expect tbqh? Were they really so delusional that they didn't see this coming?

 

[goldenpp72]

I don't get how sony watched the 3ds crash and burn at 250 and still priced the vita the same.
And the 3ds is the follow up to one of the best selling consoles ever.

What did they expect tbqh? Were they really so delusional that they didn't see this coming?

I don't think that's really fair, the 3ds is kind of.. awful from a hardware perspective, the Vita is one of the most well designed devices in history, it feels and looks amazing, has insane power over the 3ds, much better screen, and doesn't rely on terrible 3d effects. The 3ds is one of nintendos worst designs ever, it unfortunately is also home to some awesome games and worth owning for that. Seems to be nintendos general philosophy these days.

I imagine the Vita is much more expensive to manufacture than the 3ds though.

 

[Figboy79]

thing is gonna die soon.



Ps3 had games coming and shown at pressers. Vita don't and didn't. totally different.

The average consumer doesn't give a fuck all of a flying shit about "pressers."

They care about what they see on the store shelves (or the PlayStation Store if they are PS3 owners).

Sony had plenty to show of the Vita at E3. I was there. I played many a quality Vita game.

Just because they didn't show anything at their precious Press Conference doesn't mean they didn't have anything to show.

Vita has plenty of games coming, and I'm not going to relist them all.

Some basic research into the product you're shitting on goes a long, long way into increasing your credibility.

It's one thing to not be interested in the titles coming out for a specific platform, but it's another thing to state as fact that the platform has absolutely NOTHING coming to it at all. Especially when that's based off of an E3 press conference.

My Vita lineup is looking rather full, as I stated in a previous post. From RPGs to Action games, my particular tastes in games (I'm a huge fan of action/adventure, and RPGs) are satiated.

Since I didn't own a massive PSP library, I also have a rather wide selection of PSP titles I can look to during dry spells. I'm currently carrying around on my Vita GTA Chinatown Wars, Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles, Final Fantasy Dissidia 012, Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection, Final Fantasy Tactics, Corpse Party, Gladiator Begins, Half Minute Hero, Ys Seven, and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite.

I am more than just a bit prepared for any Vita software slump, but fortunately for me, I have Gravity Rush waiting for me at home today, I'll get MGSHD next week or sometime in July, Ragnarok Odyssey in August, and Retro City Rampage at some point soon. I also have MotorStorm RC, Pure Chess, Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack, and Super Stardust HD on my card as well. I own 5 retail Vita games too (Uncharted, Rayman, Unit 13, wipEout, and the aforementioned Gravity Rush).

This notion that the Vita is starving for content is purely subjective, and should not be constantly stated as fact.

I'm SET when it comes to my interests in games.

Unfortunately, many people that have no interest in the Vita, and never WILL have interest in the Vita, are the vocal minority whining about it's lack of games. Then, when really interesting and promising games get announced, the excuses begin to fly, the goal post is moved, and they still aren't interested in the Vita.

No games will ever be good enough, or ever convince them to buy a Vita. They have made up their minds already. Then they get on their keyboards and "Lol, Sony" when they make silly statements like this Koller jackass, while people that actually own and enjoy their Vitas shake their heads and facepalm at all of them.

All I know is, I just want to get home already and play some frigging Gravity Rush, but sadly, it's submission week, and I have OT to do tonight...

 

[FoneBone]

Par for the course, some of the Vita owners are getting insanely defensive.

Thing is, I don't think anybody's criticizing anyone for liking the hardware and its lineup. List wars are cute and all, but they don't change the fact that the roster of games that have realistic potential to move hardware is really, really slim.

Unfortunately, many people that have no interest in the Vita, and never WILL have interest in the Vita, are the vocal minority whining about it's lack of games. Then, when really interesting and promising games get announced, the excuses begin to fly, the goal post is moved, and they still aren't interested in the Vita.

No games will ever be good enough, or ever convince them to buy a Vita. They have made up their minds already. Then they get on their keyboards and "Lol, Sony" when they make silly statements like this Koller jackass, while people that actually own and enjoy their Vitas shake their heads and facepalm at all of them.

Why do you think the hardware isn't selling much better, then?

 

[Giant Panda]

The real question is how Sony plans on selling 10 million Vitas this year. Even with COD, AC, some Japanese games and a (modest) pricedrop I can't see it getting anywhere near that.

It seems to me part of Sony is sending the Vita to die, and another part is expecting the thing to sell great.

 

[The Lamp]

Sony has a weird message with the Vita, though. Koller himself says that Sony's approach with PSP had a flaw in that they initially tried to sell gamers PSP games that were too similar to console games. "Ports tended to be very difficult to message," he said. "Consumers go, 'I've got it on console. Why do I need it on this and spend $40 on this and spend $40 for exactly what I have on console? That doesn't make any sense.' I think that's a very relevant position." Relevant position that it may be, Sony and its partners are now pushing the idea that you can get copies of Street Fighter X Tekken and Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time on Vita that are so similar to their PS3 counterparts that you can share content or even, in the case of Sly one save file between the PS3 and Vita versions of the games. The games are, more or less, identical. In the case of Sly, Koller said, there will be some sort of offer that means that if you want the game on both devices you'll at least get a discount (maybe even get one for free; he didn't specify, details TBD, etc.).

This confused me.

Did Sony basically think to themselves, "we discovered with the PSP that consumers want more than just bite-sized entries of console franchises.......SO WITH VITA WE DECIDED TO DO CONSOLE PORTS. WOO!"?

Looks like everyone else was as confused as me.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

If you think the Vita has had a weak launch lineup you're wrong.

I don't think anyone is really arguing that the Vita had a weak line-up (quality-wise). But for games that actually move consoles/sell, even the 3DS's launch line-up gives the Vita's a run for it's money.

Thing is, I don't think anybody's criticizing anyone for liking the hardware and its lineup. List wars are cute and all, but they don't change the fact that the roster of games that have realistic potential to move hardware is really, really slim.

This.

 

[bababouille]

Gravity Rush. One of the best titles this generation, only on Vita. If you bought a 360 to play yet another Halo and don't buy a Vita to play Gravity Rush you are part of the problem.

As harsh as this statement is I agree with it. Gravity Rush has the design charm and innovation of a 6th generation SCE game, but also has elements that cater to this gen's kind of gamer (streamlining, ridiculous graphics, extreme use of map markers). Indeed it is one of the best games of this gen.

The weird thing is I think most handheld gamers anticipated Zelda: OOT 3D more than Gravity Rush, which is what the problem is IMO.

The 3DS game library isn't much more interesting than the Vita's, 1st party Nintendo games are starting to become stale because they are being released too fast. The lack of niche titles on both consoles is what really disappoints me. If production costs of handheld games become a barrier for niche developers then on what console are these games gonna be on?

 

[gamergirly]

I don't get how sony watched the 3ds crash and burn at 250 and still priced the vita the same.
And the 3ds is the follow up to one of the best selling consoles ever.

What did they expect tbqh? Were they really so delusional that they didn't see this coming?

TBH, looking at the games and hardware, I think the price is the biggest reason why casuals are not picking up the Vita

 

[outunderthestars]

The real question is how Sony plans on selling 10 million Vitas this year. Even with COD, AC, some Japanese games and a (modest) pricedrop I can't see it getting anywhere near that.

It seems to me part of Sony is sending the Vita to die, and another part is expecting the thing to sell great.

What can Sony really do? They can't afford to take a larger loss on hardware, and their development studios have to support the PS3, PS4, and the Vita.

Sony isn't sending it to die, they just overestimated initial demand.

 

[Giant Panda]

What can Sony really do? They can't afford to take a larger loss on hardware, and their development studios have to support the PS3, PS4, and the Vita.

Sony isn't sending it to die, they just overestimated initial demand.

The major thing is lack of 3rd party support. When this was first announced we thought there would be monster hunter on it, ports of most of the 3DS stuff, etc. Also if Sony's 1st party can't support Vita any better than this they shouldn't have released it in the first place.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

What can Sony really do? They can't afford to take a larger loss on hardware, and their development studios have to support the PS3, PS4, and the Vita.

Sony isn't sending it to die, they just overestimated initial demand.

Call me crazy, but I don't think the Vita caught them by surprise.

Sony didn't just wake up one day and go "Whoa, fuck, what's this thing we just released?"

 

[Father_Brain]

What can Sony really do? They can't afford to take a larger loss on hardware, and their development studios have to support the PS3, PS4, and the Vita.

Sony isn't sending it to die, they just overestimated initial demand.

Launching a new platform (seemingly) without any real strategy for producing/securing system-selling software isn't very different from sending it to die.

 

[Figboy79]

Par for the course, some of the Vita owners are getting insanely defensive.

Thing is, I don't think anybody's criticizing anyone for liking the hardware and its lineup. List wars are cute and all, but they don't change the fact that the roster of games that have realistic potential to move hardware is really, really slim.


Why do you think the hardware isn't selling much better, then?

Well, the general perception of doom and gloom that permeates the gaming community, and many of the most perused gaming sites in the industry isn't helping.

When things get spouted often and loud enough, many people begin to accept it as fact.

People have been shouting that the "Vita has no games" so long, that most people don't even bother to do basic research into whether or not that's true or not.

The system has been out 4 months in the US. It's software lineup day one was rather impressive. The titles available for it now are impressive as well, but most people just don't hear about them underneath all the "Vita is teh DOOMED!" Again, usually by people that don't own one, or have no interest in owning one.

And as much as we clown on them, when you have sites like IGN spouting that same rhetoric about the Vita, people actually DO listen.

When people see a score of 7.5 for Gravity Rush, they don't look at the body of the review and say, "Oh, he rated it this way because of some issue that doesn't bother me," they look at the score and say, "7.5? PASS. Guess I don't need a Vita after all." While those people aren't being paid to drum up hits for a site, and maybe aren't as nitpicky or jaded, get the game, and are like, "Hey, this is actually fun!" Go unheard or ignored.

The Vita hardware itself is impeccable. But, much like the PS3 before it, it's reputation of "Having no games" has reached the same heights. Sony is going to have to work really hard, just like they did with the PS3, to turn that perception around. It's interesting, because PS3 went from having "no games," to having one of the strongest software lineups of the generation.

Vita has games in the works. Many releasing in this calendar year. Some next year. The system hasn't even hit it's first year in Japan, and it's 6 months in the rest of the world. The level of impatience and skepticism is what I find really depressing.

EDIT: Also, combine that "Has no games," perception with a $250 entry price, and it doesn't really seem to have to be asked why the system isn't flying off of the shelves. Aggressive marketing and a price drop are in order.

 

[clo1_2000]

Thank God for eBay. I'm so happy I got out when I did.

 

[FoneBone]

Well, the general perception of doom and gloom that permeates the gaming community, and many of the most perused gaming sites in the industry isn't helping.

When things get spouted often and loud enough, many people begin to accept it as fact.

You really, truly think that Vita is struggling because of people saying mean things on internet message boards? Jesus Christ, and I thought Nintendo fanboys had delusional persecution complexes.

 

[Impeccable]

Thank God for eBay. I'm so happy I got out when I did.

Avatar Quote?

Anyways, I'm still going to buy mine next month, I can't wait.

 

[Mutanthands]

Well, the general perception of doom and gloom that permeates the gaming community, and many of the most perused gaming sites in the industry isn't helping.

When things get spouted often and loud enough, many people begin to accept it as fact.

People have been shouting that the "Vita has no games" so long, that most people don't even bother to do basic research into whether or not that's true or not.

The system has been out 4 months in the US. It's software lineup day one was rather impressive. The titles available for it now are impressive as well, but most people just don't hear about them underneath all the "Vita is teh DOOMED!" Again, usually by people that don't own one, or have no interest in owning one.

And as much as we clown on them, when you have sites like IGN spouting that same rhetoric about the Vita, people actually DO listen.

When people see a score of 7.5 for Gravity Rush, they don't look at the body of the review and say, "Oh, he rated it this way because of some issue that doesn't bother me," they look at the score and say, "7.5? PASS. Guess I don't need a Vita after all." While those people aren't being paid to drum up hits for a site, and maybe aren't as nitpicky or jaded, get the game, and are like, "Hey, this is actually fun!" Go unheard or ignored.

The Vita hardware itself is impeccable. But, much like the PS3 before it, it's reputation of "Having no games" has reached the same heights. Sony is going to have to work really hard, just like they did with the PS3, to turn that perception around. It's interesting, because PS3 went from having "no games," to having one of the strongest software lineups of the generation.

Vita has games in the works. Many releasing in this calendar year. Some next year. The system hasn't even hit it's first year in Japan, and it's 6 months in the rest of the world. The level of impatience and skepticism is what I find really depressing.

Blaming the sceptics for the poor showing of a console is never a good idea. It's an illogical response to the situation.
If there is negative buzz about a product, it's the company's responsibility to perceive it, do what they can to counteract it, and then spread the word about how they have corrected the situation. What has Sony done to counteract the bad vibes in the community?

 

[Figboy79]

I'm not blaming message boards. I'm looking at popular gaming sites like IGN, which, at the very least, have rather sizeable non-GAF dwelling readerships, that take what they say seriously.

It's not an unreasonable viewpoint to have.

Marketing can only do so much. Word of mouth is just as important and powerful.

What have Sony done to counteract?

What can they do? They announce games, people downplay them. They can only push harder in marketing it. In the end, it's not my problem to worry about, it's Sonys.

 

[famousmortimer]

Blaming the sceptics for the poor showing of a console is never a good idea. It's an illogical response to the situation.
If there is negative buzz about a product, it's the company's responsibility to perceive it, do what they can to counteract it, and then spread the word about how they have corrected the situation. What has Sony done to counteract the bad vibes in the community?

I agree with you completely. While I think that the perception of the Vita is completely off the mark, perception becomes reality and it's Sony's job to fix it.



And frankly, while I love Sony's games, I have my doubts about Sony Corp. I think the vita is great because of the games I play on it. But in terms of how Sony has handled the Vita, from the two tier launch, to the paltry 50 million dollar ad campaign to leaving almost all the Vita stuff out of the conference and leaving it on the show floor.... just about every single thing they've done has been shitty.

Great piece of hardware, great games, terrible company. I keep hearing they are getting better, they are cleaning house, and I hope it's all true... and Koller either needs to go or never be allowed to talk to the press again. But until things actually change... i still stand by my initial thoughts... great games, shitty company.

 

[Izayoi]

What the fuck happened this last page or so?

There are few who legitimately want the Vita to fail, let's all take a deep breath and step back for a second.

I think that much of the negativity is born from people who want the system to do well, but recognize that Sony is not handling the situation as they should. They need a conference like the one Nintendo held, showing that they're working to get games people want to play on the system. They need to announce some kind of price drop.

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They need to get that White one over here stat.

I love the hardware, but outside of Gravity Rush, there's nothing on it right now that I want to play. That, and I already made the mistake of buying a different handheld too early and got burned by a price drop. Fool me once...

 

[outunderthestars]

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Anyways, I'm still going to buy mine next month, I can't wait.

PixelJunk Monsters Deluxe looks great on the Vita btw.

 

[Tailer]

What the fuck happened this last page or so?

There are few who legitimately want the Vita to fail, let's all take a deep breath and step back for a second.

I think that much of the negativity is born from people who want the system to do well, but recognize that Sony is not handling the situation as they should. They need a conference like the one Nintendo held, showing that they're working to get games people want to play on the system. They need to announce some kind of price drop.

Spoiler

They need to get that White one over here stat.

I love the hardware, but outside of Gravity Rush, there's nothing on it right now that I want to play. That, and I already made the mistake of buying a different handheld too early and got burned by a price drop. Fool me once...

The thing that made me end up buying a PS Vita was a nice deal... Don't wait for price drop, wait for deals instead of complaining that it hasn't gotten an official price drop... yet(I'm tired of it).

 

[Izayoi]

The thing that made me end up buying a PS Vita was a nice deal... Don't wait for price drop, wait for deals instead of complaining that it hasn't gotten an official price drop... yet(I'm tired of it).

A "nice deal" is subjective, no? If there was a bundle that was attractive to me I would've bought it, but there has yet to be one that I'm interested in. The AC3 bundle is the most attractive one yet, and I just might get it, but October is still a long way off, and it's not even that great of a deal. And why shouldn't someone wait for a price drop? A price drop is something everyone benefits from, a bundle will only work for some.

 

[Massa]

A "nice deal" is subjective, no? If there was a bundle that was attractive to me I would've bought it, but there has yet to be one that I'm interested in. The AC3 bundle is the most attractive one yet, and I just might get it, but October is still a long way off, and it's not even that great of a deal. And why shouldn't someone wait for a price drop? A price drop is something everyone benefits from, a bundle will only work for some.

I think he was referring to the recent $50 gift card deals, which is essentially the same as a $50 price drop.

 

[Tailer]

A "nice deal" is subjective, no? If there was a bundle that was attractive to me I would've bought it, but there has yet to be one that I'm interested in. The AC3 bundle is the most attractive one yet, and I just might get it, but October is still a long way off, and it's not even that great of a deal. And why shouldn't someone wait for a price drop? A price drop is something everyone benefits from, a bundle will only work for some.

As in 220$ for Vita and a game or 200$ for Vita itself. I have seen quite a bit of these kinds of deals, so yeah(lol mainly thanks to neogaf XD). Even at release one shop was selling Vita's for 2000Kr(2500 normally just add a 0 ) in Sweden, just one example.

 

[Izayoi]

I think he was referring to the recent $50 gift card deals, which is essentially the same as a $50 price drop.

Can you use the gift card on the purchase itself?

As in 220$ for Vita and a game or 200$ for Vita itself. I have seen quite a bit of these kinds of deals, so yeah(lol mainly thanks to neogaf XD). Even at release one shop was selling Vita's for 2000Kr(2500 normally just add a 0 ) in Sweden, just one example.

I've yet to see a Vita below MSRP at a major retailer, and most of my local shops aren't even selling it.

 

[saichi]

Now sells=quality?
Vita launch lineup was in absolute bigger and better than the 3ds one(i don't know the ps3 one)

where in my post talk about or imply about quality? People said VITA is doing like shit with no improvement in sight. Then others would throw out statement like PS3/3DS had a disater launch but they both recovered. I'm merely saying VITA is doing worse than those disasters and people should be able to say it without being called biased.

The wiiu launch lineup i know has few games and most of them are casual, old multiplatform games and timed exclusives.

That's based on the standard set by other posters for upcoming VITA games. Wi U has one of the best Fall lineup that covers different demographics - the core, the casual, the 3rd party ports, and even a mega bridge game in NSMBU which appeals to both core and casual. the only demographic Wii U doesn't cover is the niche/RPG/niche RPG market which VITA has a pretty good presence for the Fall.

 

[RSLAEV]

And this is why your argument is shit. What you feel is irrelevant. Those are high quality games offering experiences exclusive to the Vita.


Gravity Rush. One of the best titles this generation, only on Vita. If you bought a 360 to play yet another Halo and don't buy a Vita to play Gravity Rush you are part of the problem.

So Gravity Rush is the Vita's 'Halo'?


What?

 

[Htown]

Vita's in trouble because Sony says it's in trouble.

I mean, did all you people miss the part where Koller said "the reason the PSP failed is because it had too many console type experiences" and then turned around two minutes later and tried to sell the Vita with "it's a console on the go?"

If Sony knows that's what killed the PSP, and they're doing the exact same thing with the Vita, what on earth makes anyone think the result is going to be any different? ESPECIALLY since they are missing the one ingredient that kept the PSP afloat - Monster Hunter.

 

[Massa]

Can you use the gift card on the purchase itself?

You have to use it on a game or memory card or any other product that store sells.

 

[Kafel]

If yourself you'd stop talking about "has no games", "it's doomed" etc maybe we could move on.

Talk about the games you're playing now.

 

[ari]

If you think the Vita has had a weak launch lineup you're wrong.

that includes all of the psp playable psn games on vita...so....fail.

 

[Maastricht]

Par for the course, some of the Vita owners are getting insanely defensive.

Thing is, I don't think anybody's criticizing anyone for liking the hardware and its lineup. List wars are cute and all, but they don't change the fact that the roster of games that have realistic potential to move hardware is really, really slim.


Why do you think the hardware isn't selling much better, then?

Why do you think it needs to be? Consoles have a sales curve. A console can afford to not sell like bonkers day one. It can be profitable very quickly if investments aren't too high. The Vita is a lot of off the shelf parts and writing software, creating assets for it is relatively cheap, especially when you cn share some stuff with PS3 or other platforms, but even if not there are tools and pipelines you can share.

As for all the hate, whatever. I have an iPhone, iPad and Vita, and so far the Vita has clocked the most hours by far, and I enjoyed those hours immensely. There are a lot of cool things I can do with the iPad and I am glad they both exist, but the Vita is great. Crucially, I think it is one of the best consoles from launch day forward that I have ever owned (Playstation 1 was my first real console and I go back to 8bit).

An essential diffence that people seem to have trouble dealing with here (and Buser admittedly doesn't communicate well) is that the diffence Sony is making for multi-platform games is just what a lot of people were asking last time. The PSP didn't do that well with console games because the PSP versions suffered too much, both in terms of load-times and in terms of controls. Load times actually remedied themselves to some extent when games went digital on that platform, but just having a few buttons and that analog nub never really cut the mustard. And there was never any benefit to owning a game on both platforms.

Vita comes with front and back multi-touch, two analog nubs, gyros, cameras, great d-pad, built in mic, etc, has better OS features and more memory etc, which makes such a huge difference that some games really do play better on the Vita, a prime example for me being Rayman, but I see some serious potential for LBP here too (just got the beta today). Several games allow cross play, and those of us who have experienced the magic of something like Motorstorm RC's Cloud support (or MLB's similar albeit slighty less magical version) know there is a big future here for games that release on both platforms. This is what many PSP gamers back then were hoping for, and I for one am happy I am getting it. PS Mobile definitely has the potentail to round things out and make Vita one of the most complete gaming systems of all time.

No guarantee that it will succeed of course. But some of you guys sound like you want it to fail, and that just makes e wonder if you like gaming at all.