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LA Times: Microsoft announces X360 pricing at lollapalooza 2005
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Sweet Prince
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Stinkles said:
except the drive it in is on it's last legs.
and you're right, it's just a convenience. i mean, who cares about things being CONVENIENT? that shit sucks ass.
Vark said:
2 points of contention:
1) is everyone going crazy? Didn't Allard state unequivocally that every xbox360 would have a HDD included at e3? Or did we all miss something?
2) Do you really think the $400 system will outsell the $300 one? Outside of MS forcing people to purchase the more expensive bundle by creating unrealistic shortages of the "core" system, I'd eat my shoe if the $400 system sells more. They've essentially made the HDD in x360 no different from the HDD in PS3 - i.e. an optional component that is ridiculously overpriced and no one has. It's a feature downgrade.
krypt0nian
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Dr_Cogent said:
Seems that total is far higher than 1.
The Faceless Master
Member
if by "the internet" you mean xbox.com and microsoft.com then yeah...Vark said:
Mrbob said:
Think in demographics for a second. HDTV prices are still much higher than normal tvs. For someone to want the HD Era components, they're going to have an HDTV. And if they have an HDTV then 99% chance the extra $100 for the premium pack will be insignificant as well. And you can say "oh, what about college students and their monitors?" well they'd have to buy the VGA cable no matter what package they went with.
Dr_Cogent said:
It is a deal. A great deal, in fact, so much so that it could easily sell out - and then poor Mr. Customer has to buy a $300 base model, a $50 wireless controller, a $30 remote, a $20 headset, a $40 HDTV cable, and a $100 hard drive. Then if they want to go online that's another $100 - total of $640. That sucks.
rastex said:
Doesn't matter. It still goes against what MS has been preaching for months. They could at least include component cables in the box too.
Like I've mentioned before it isn't the hardware price that bugs me. It's the split skus and the peripheral prices and game prices.
While I think the Premium Pack is a good deal, it's just sucks that the common SKU won't include the hard disk. This will most likely mean that developers won't even try to optimize for HDD usage, which I think was a very nice feature for the Xbox. Also it just sends a mixed message to those waiting for backwards compatibility (having to get the premium pack for it.)
I'm all for giving the customer options, but not at the expense of what I value as important core features.
This also means one more thing...
NO BLINX 360!!!
I'm all for giving the customer options, but not at the expense of what I value as important core features.
This also means one more thing...
NO BLINX 360!!!
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I thought most people in the thread were more bothered by things like the accessories pricing than the $399 price. Not all of course. Seems to be a lot of damage control about things which don't need controlling that much.
scissorfight
Banned
Assumptions based on...oh, I don't know...press releases like the one geek posted 3 posts above you?Yusaku said:
Yeah, silly us. :lol
cyberheater
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210 quid for a UK 360 is awesome
What's not to like...
What's not to like...
Yeah, I think the main issues here are 1.) a guarantee for minimal hard drive utilization due to the SKU split, and 2.) accessories costing eight trillion dollars. If you were surprised by the $399 price, you probably haven't been paying too much attention.Mama Smurf said:
Mrbob said:
What do you mean it doesn't matter? It's the ONLY thing that matters. Preaching? Preaching to who? Out of the 3 million people that will buy the 360 this holiday how many do you think have been following Xbox news like us at GAF or other videogame boards? Don't you realize that we don't matter? That we're entirely insignificant to the market.
kenta said:There are only 5 connectors for component, homeboy. Red, Green and Blue are the video connectors, then the two audio connectors. Anyway, carry on.
look at the picture.
RGB component is 3, sound is 2. There are 6 RCA cables indicated in that picture.
Last one has to be composite video.
Nerevar said:
1) He said that for the SKU they had planned at the time that the HD would come with that SKU (this SKU being the 400 dollar one). There was always the idea to release an HDDless cheaper version later in the lifespace. They never said the HD would be STANDARD on every x360 sold. Which is why games have to be able to run without it (something thats been known for a very, very long time.
The 299 HD-less SKU was the one added after the fact. They just decided to make that SKU available earlier apparently. Initially they weren't planning on offering a cheaper version at launch and i'm sure the only reason they did was PR posturing.
2) Yes, I absolutely do. Because people will see a 50 dollar controll and a 100 dollar HDD add on and say 'well for just 100 I get both in the 'value' pack'.
The real problem is this is all backwards. We're used to seeing a 'core' system as a baseline and then a value pack with extras for more. Here the baseline is the value edition and there's a spinoff 'cheaper' version attached at the last minute. (Which is backwards and slightly counter intuitive).
fiddlestick
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cyberheater said:210 quid for a UK 360 is awesome
What's not to like...
you dont get a HDD for that price.
you cant play your games in HD for that price.
you cant save your game for that price.
etc etc etc
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
the biggest thing that sticks with me at the moment (other than calling some one dick face , then having them call me dickface back twice, which was pretty useless) is that Square must be thinking "... err... what the fuck?"
Well done MS! get Square at least on board, then fragment the userbase!
One thing today proves - whoever is running the show at MS is so out of touch with what they need to do that they are making it very difficult for anyone to take them seriously.
Seriously, i think they'd be hard pressed to get any random poster on this board to come up with worse ideas!
$399 full pack for 6 months until the PS3 launches and then drop it to $299? Whats the point??? ONE SKU at $299 from the off - swallow 6 months extra loss (because contrary to popular belief , the share price won't move significantly + it would yeild a much better possition in the console market). Clueless to the end - at this point in time they deserve a good slapping.
MS:
I am available for hire - i live in Japan - and i can HELP YOU.
Seriously, how much WORSE can it be for you?
Well done MS! get Square at least on board, then fragment the userbase!
One thing today proves - whoever is running the show at MS is so out of touch with what they need to do that they are making it very difficult for anyone to take them seriously.
Seriously, i think they'd be hard pressed to get any random poster on this board to come up with worse ideas!
$399 full pack for 6 months until the PS3 launches and then drop it to $299? Whats the point??? ONE SKU at $299 from the off - swallow 6 months extra loss (because contrary to popular belief , the share price won't move significantly + it would yeild a much better possition in the console market). Clueless to the end - at this point in time they deserve a good slapping.
MS:
I am available for hire - i live in Japan - and i can HELP YOU.
Seriously, how much WORSE can it be for you?
krypt0nian
Banned
DCharlie said:
Actually was laughing that you would use the phrase dickface...like you know a 8th grader.
Continue on.
DCharlie said:
not one game can support the hard drive as a primary function. Games must work without the hard drive no matter what. You can optimise a game for the hard drive if it's attached.
Considering this was in the basic specs as of... oh... over a year ago....
a) Square isn't going "oh shit!" because their game won't require an install this time.
b) it's not fracturing the userbase. All games will be played as normal without a hard drive. increased loadtimes will result with a bunch of games if you have one.
that is all.
Kabuki Waq
Member
DCharlie said:
yep agreed ....i was gonna buy x360 for sure, but after today i think i will just wait till ps3 come and the 360 drops in price.
BuckRobotron
Member
Base package is flatly disappointing, but OTOH the $400 pack is better than expected, truly packed.
But just as PS2 and GC were always actually $20+ more because of the need for memory cards, so now the base Xbox 360 is actually $340. Really, the base package seems so weak that perhaps they are deliberately pulling a Honda-like DX/LX contrast. That is, no one goes for the low-price DX models when they see the LX has everything they want..or actually expect...
Similarly, that $400 package is actually quite good value, similar to how the PSP with Spidey and extras was good value.
But it is still $400. :/
But just as PS2 and GC were always actually $20+ more because of the need for memory cards, so now the base Xbox 360 is actually $340. Really, the base package seems so weak that perhaps they are deliberately pulling a Honda-like DX/LX contrast. That is, no one goes for the low-price DX models when they see the LX has everything they want..or actually expect...
Similarly, that $400 package is actually quite good value, similar to how the PSP with Spidey and extras was good value.
But it is still $400. :/
So, hey...wow...this is awkward, huh!
I wouldn't mind the 399.99 price at all. As I said before, I'm HAPPY someone is doing it. This game of chicken can not go on forever with inflation. This guarantees at least a 399.99 PS3 (which will be like 399.99 360, except w/out HD correct? So technically, the 360 still wins there)
But the bad thing is making another SKU that doesn't have HD, and on top of that pricing the peripherals at ridiculous heights. Segmenting your userbase - and no matter what bullshit people try to suggest, that's exactly what this is - and losing the required HD for it is a disaster. That was a huge advantage for 360, I said as much. I was so pissed PS3 didn't have a HD standard, at least 360 would! But now we can't even rely on that. I knew developers weren't supposed to either way, but it was a comfort factor that ya know... it was still there. At least for now. Bethesda said Oblivion won't go to PS3 because it doesn't have HDD standard. This is something that has no meaning anymore.
I just don't know. What a week, eh? Zelda delay, Micro 100, Xbox360 299/399 one w/out HD. All to the world's ending, or at least until PS3 price makes another 30 page thread.
Oh, and Dopey, you are a mouth piece for Microsoft and nobody takes you seriously.
I wouldn't mind the 399.99 price at all. As I said before, I'm HAPPY someone is doing it. This game of chicken can not go on forever with inflation. This guarantees at least a 399.99 PS3 (which will be like 399.99 360, except w/out HD correct? So technically, the 360 still wins there)
But the bad thing is making another SKU that doesn't have HD, and on top of that pricing the peripherals at ridiculous heights. Segmenting your userbase - and no matter what bullshit people try to suggest, that's exactly what this is - and losing the required HD for it is a disaster. That was a huge advantage for 360, I said as much. I was so pissed PS3 didn't have a HD standard, at least 360 would! But now we can't even rely on that. I knew developers weren't supposed to either way, but it was a comfort factor that ya know... it was still there. At least for now. Bethesda said Oblivion won't go to PS3 because it doesn't have HDD standard. This is something that has no meaning anymore.
I just don't know. What a week, eh? Zelda delay, Micro 100, Xbox360 299/399 one w/out HD. All to the world's ending, or at least until PS3 price makes another 30 page thread.
Oh, and Dopey, you are a mouth piece for Microsoft and nobody takes you seriously.
DCharlie said:
In fact,I suspect that Microsoft convinced Square that Xbox360 would be a stable and ideal platform for their online games thanks to the standard hard disk.
FFXI producer said he wasn't sure to bring FFXI on PS3 without the hard disk as a standard for example.
And now.....they must feel deceived.
Vark said:
I don't know, I really disagree with you there. I think most people will buy the cheaper version because, as numerous studies have shown, people value the price of electronics more than any other factor. And now that the HDD is essentially an optional feature, they'll ask why they even need it in the first place. This is especially true of parents buying the system for their kids (which, despite all the talk about expanding the industry, is still an extremely large chunk of all console sales).
As I said, I'd be much more receptive if it was just 1, high price point without the ass-raping on accessories. I might be in the minority on that, but the current price structure only emphasizes how much they're ripping you off on the components / accessories.
Sweet Prince
Banned
Stinkles said:
btw, what happens if you want to play FFXI?
I'm sure someone's mentioned this before, but I was just thinking how it's funny that the minimum you could spend on the Xbox 360 is $360 (give or take a few bucks depending on the tax rate of course).
$300 + $40 (necessary mem. card) + $20 tax (6% in NJ) = $360.
Funny, Microsoft. :-/
$300 + $40 (necessary mem. card) + $20 tax (6% in NJ) = $360.
Funny, Microsoft. :-/
Kabuki Waq
Member
Imagine the load times in oblivion without a hard drive.