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League of Legends |OT10| Botlane Was A Mistake, It's Nothing But Thresh
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Stone Ocean
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It's also important that if you get killed you need to get a disadvantage and that champions that are supposed to be weak early are allowed to be bullied early.
If you die with TP up you need to suffer the consequences somehow.
Stone Ocean
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Won't change a thing about well placed TP ganks nor will it solve the comeback mechanic issue.
Ya I didn't think about the second part. Well placed ganks would be the point of it.
Sigismundo
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That's alright but I guess there should always be some method of reacting to jungler visits or midlane ganks or whatever.
The concern for me is that TP gets nerfed too much and people just stop taking it.
Stone Ocean
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Reacting to a good jungler's gank is a luxury you can't afford every single time specially with stuff like Thresh going about.
Reacting to a good junglers gank is a vision game. You are punished for poor vision, rewarded for good vision.
Reacting to a TP is impossible unless the mid and top laners are just spamming pings the instant they can't see their laner. There's almost nothing a bot lane can do to prevent the TPs from coming in short of playing ridiculously passive (and still possibly get 5 man tower dove) or being super aggressive killing advance wards. Can't do the latter very well when you are fighting a sightstone with your single sweeper or 100 gold a pop pink ward though. Just not fun.
Stone Ocean
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There are less roundabout ways of removing the spell if you want to lol
Ghost is Bad
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how about a 10 second channel time :^)
Mostmanlyman
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How about you make it one use
per year
cooldown solves all of that imo
Mostmanlyman
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How about tp sickness, where you loss attack speed, damage and movement speed, after tping. Also increase the cooldown.
why would you ever use it then
in what situation would using teleport be beneficial if this happened
BreezyLimbo
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They should just add teleport scrolls and remove recall
Problem solved
Problem solved
What time-span would that supposedly be, and how much do old skins typically go for? Definitely Not Blitzcrank has to be mine if it's one of the skins that becomes available during harrowing, but I'll have to save up enough IP to unlock Blitz before the skins are gone or risk having to pay RP to buy both the champion and the skin (yuck).
Increase tp cast time and cool down. Reduce tp cast time as well as cool down with distortion boots. Break homeguard on tp cast. Break tp cast if damaged in the first two seconds of channel.
Alternatively disallow tp'ing to stealth wards. Create a TP totem which is visible or just use pink wards.
Alternatively disallow tp'ing to stealth wards. Create a TP totem which is visible or just use pink wards.
Stone Ocean
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It doesn't solve anything but offensive use. If you can't kill someone twice in the span of a minute without taking risks then taking said risks to get a kill will likely be a waste because the enemy will just TP back missing almost no minions but now you're low on mana / HP so you have to back yourself, giving the enemy like a minute of free farming, effectively negating whatever advantage you got and possibly putting them ahead, but now they have resistances 5 pots and your ignite is down whoopdeedoo
Nerfing the CD doesn't change anything about that, nerfing sustain from pots helps cheese strats with cloth / flask starts into a quick back at 800~900gold but that's about it, if you TP after dying successfully then the damage is done. Frankly I only truly care about nerfing offensive uses but if their goal is to make TP not mandatory nerfing just the CD won't change a thing and buffing other summoners to combat it is a terrible idea.
Increase teleport cast time to 3.5 seconds. Make it place a small "teleport totem" down anywhere on the map as long as it's not in the fog of war. This totem has three health. If the totem is attacked three times (like a stealth ward), it disappears and teleport is cancelled.
You can still defend towers, but only if the enemy isn't around to cancel your TP. You can still gank, but not from the middle of lane or the middle of the fight without the threat of the TP being cancelled.
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You can still defend towers, but only if the enemy isn't around to cancel your TP. You can still gank, but not from the middle of lane or the middle of the fight without the threat of the TP being cancelled.
riot hire me
Mostmanlyman
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TP back to lane. The effect wouldn't last that long. And to TP close to fights just not into the middle of fights.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
tp makes u earn 1/2 gold for 30 seconds after u tp :^)
this is awful because if you're teleporting far enough away from a fight and you're not a champion to take a big advantage from tp/homeguards you're already minimizing your impact to the fight at hand. with that kind of nerf there'd be no point to ever using TP. Even a 2-3 second debuff is too much
thinking about it some more you're right, tuning only cd is too simple to balance the spell for that many uses (anti-snowballing, splitpushing, helping other lanes), but i'd like to see if there's a better mechanic
i think ur thing just promotes aggressive trade into tp too much and i hate that garbage
Stone Ocean
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I dunno I'm just brainstorming, I don't know how to properly give it drawbacks. I just know that nothing will change for mid and top if Riot doesn't change how the spell works somehow.
Ghost is Bad
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increased cooldown on tower and ward teleports :^)
Screw it indeed. Summoner spells are boring. Let's go the opposite direction. Tp should have 1 second channel, 60 second cool down, tp anywhere within radius equivalent to twisted fate ult radius.
There. Everyone takes flash and tp. New meta. See a TP gank coming in? Tp out. Enemy tp after recall? Tp to another lane and gank them.
There. Everyone takes flash and tp. New meta. See a TP gank coming in? Tp out. Enemy tp after recall? Tp to another lane and gank them.
Kaffeemann
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Quick question: can you drop from gold 5 to silver?
I'm not really in the mood for ranked but also sick to see a Veigar every time in teambuilder. Fuck this broken champ.
I'm not really in the mood for ranked but also sick to see a Veigar every time in teambuilder. Fuck this broken champ.
Stone Ocean
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Yes you can. Takes some considerable losing but you can.
What does this solve? Too hard to track when everyone on the enemy team can TP.
Cause this game is not Dota.
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This just means everyone on the team will be able to teleport anywhere at any one time. That's not really a solution, just spreads the problem around.
I'm all for increasing the CD and restricting it's early game use. That or maybe give it a range, but I have not fully assessed the downsides of doing that, especially since it might be indirectly nerfed a bit due to fewer green wards.
Stone Ocean
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Because it creates new problems without solving the old ones. Turn TP into a consumable and now you have early monsters shitting all over the map while also having big lane kill pressure.
I actually mis-remembered Town Portal Scrolls as having no CD. I just looked it up again and realized I'm mistaken.
Okay then, yeah, a higher cooldown would be a nice start. But really I don't know if a global teleport is even possible to fully balance. :X
Flash is objectively the most fun and interesting summoner spell so I'm not really that bent up about people taking it across just about every champ. Teleport creates a more rigid and passive playstyle in its own lane while punishing other lanes for aggression. I'm okay with some people using it but it makes Ignite feel fairly worthless by comparison on the top side of the map. An increased CD, the early Baron pit stuff, and double jungling gains being lowered will change a lot about TP. Just have to see if it's enough.
Part of me did like double jungling though.
Part of me did like double jungling though.
It is the funnest spell to take. I just don't like seeing "Summoner Spell 1" and "Summoner Spell 2." We all know it's only one, so just let people take one and give everybody Flash.
Ignite/Exhaust is super fun. Mark someone for death.
killatopak
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Why don't you just remove everything then.
Don't nerf tp. I think the new neutral at baron will make contesting it a priority so combat spells may make a comeback on top lane.
Ignite TP is still being used but mostly on Fizz and Hecarim.
Don't nerf tp. I think the new neutral at baron will make contesting it a priority so combat spells may make a comeback on top lane.
Ignite TP is still being used but mostly on Fizz and Hecarim.
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