It was popularized this year due to tp being the go to summoner spell on top lane.
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League of Legends |OT10| Botlane Was A Mistake, It's Nothing But Thresh
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Played a few games tonight in a stack and thought something was off. Played top lane against a yasuo who showed late to the lane at level 2 but didn't tp in.
So what's the counterplay around it? Take a camp as well and wait for Riot to patch it? Is this present through all elo's or only a specific mininum?
Edit: I guess you could try to show at the camp and just kill the summoner at lowish hp.
if he didnt TP in, then he shouldve lost out
patch 5.22 will alleviate this. top laners wont get lvl 2 from a camp and teleport is less powerful and desirable
The counterplay is to either
A. Take a camp of your own.
B. Try to kill them
C. If you're on blue side, pull the enemy minions away to make your minions run into the enemy tower to make them miss a whole wave.
Nevertheless, you should see less of this in the new patch today.
Here's what I'm using:
Support Tanks - Flex between Recovery/Unyielding for early/late game and Insight/Perseverance depending on taste
Support Healers - Flex between Explorer/Tough skin for roaming/lane and Insight/Perseverance depending on taste
Support Mages - same as above but take Thunderlords decree. Bandit is too good to pass up so you pretty much have to go Cunning
AD Carries - Flex between Bounty Hunter/Oppressor and Warlord's Bloodlust/Fervor of Battle
Jungle AP & AD Tanks - Personally I like a little offense on my tanks but you can also go 6/6/18 and take Feast instead of Double Edged Sword for more sustain.
Jungle AD Fighters - Flex between Deathfire Touch/Fervor of Battle depending on champ.
AP Mages - take Bounty Hunter if you're a snowball champ
Bruisers - Flex between Runic Armor/Veteran's Scars depending if you have a self-heal or not
I don't play much top lane but it's not too hard to figure out your choices depending on what you want to do in the game (sustain vs damage, early vs late game, attacks vs spell damage).
Tizoc
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Thanks mate, I'll try them out in matches later.
wtf how do you pull off C?
best I can think of is to cause the enemy wave to push and give you wave control + your minions die faster
You pull it towards the enemy tri brush to make your minions just walk past them. I had a top laner in ranked that got screwed over because the enemy did this. That said it is really uncommon to see this. I don't know if the minion aggro changes changed the possibility of doing this.
killatopak
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It's called the seraph strategy. You pull the minions into the tribush slowly making sure you keep aggro. You let your own wave hit the tower so the enemy minions push you to your own tower due to combining two waves. The enemy laner misses two waves of minion due to this plus you can also freeze the lane near your tower.
TY
Mechanic in question if anybody is wondering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAAOLLjr20g
As I suspected, you'll have to consume a pot for it. Its defnitely a trade off - seeing as the other laner comes in with an extra pot and lvl 2 immediately
Purple Cheeto
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Hmm. Wonder if its the dudes upstairs from where I work. Venture Capitalists who bought an eSports team but it doesn't have any players.
Guess we will see on the 16th (I think that's when free agency or whatever starts, right?)
I doubt a western organisation would be paying that much for a non-english speaking player. it doesn't make much sense in a financial, branding and a competitive sense. And are you sure the VC that bought an esports team isnt Immortals?
I'm not sure how true the 8mil figure is. Uzi is certainly worth a lot though, thats the only take away I have.
if they didnt have that stupid dada777/cloud fiasco early on in s4 they stood a way better chance
Stone Ocean
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The TSM H2K drama is getting hillarious. Apparently the H2K CEO edited Skype logs? Can't wait till Riot gives their say in it
Lowkey pay to win because it forces you not to die so you don't have to see thisomg you guys...
(((((((
Wolf Akela
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Graves is freaking fun. I want to play Lucian and Ezreal next.
Why is Phantom Dancer disabled?
Why is Phantom Dancer disabled?
killatopak
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When do we get the borders?
Stone Ocean
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Riot why would you get rid of all the combo/reset shit in Trist's kit only to start adding it again before the new patch even hits?
Rewards should be rolling out the moment the patch goes off IIRC
Might not be instant tho
Tizoc
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I noticed that too, either you can't have both PD and Hurricane at the same time or maybe there's a bug with it?
wait what?
thats huge.
Yeah I was surprised by this when I was playing against a Veigar and I was stunned and the white bar was longer than before.
Stone Ocean
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I guess they want offensive bruisers/assassins to get stunned and kited harder while tanks are unnaffected with the free tenacity in the defensive treewait what?
thats huge.
No Riot I'm not gonna call it resolve
Seeing bruisers get kited..... it fills you with resolve somehow.
Wolf Akela
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Yeah rewards are instant. I queued in a game where I don't have a border but a few others did.
Stone Ocean
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Down here... it's KITE OR BE KITED
Don't let MORDEKAISER steal your soul.
kn0wsk1lls
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major update is live. messing with new masteries and items now.
Stone Ocean
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Ooh Rekkles is streaming while he tries the new stuff
Tizoc
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Are they playing PBE? I'm trying to find a streamer playing Illaoi.
Stone Ocean
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Pawnce is on PBE as usual. Besides that, no one's doing PBE right now, it's all about preseason stuff
Stone Ocean
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For IE carries BF was always what you wanted to buy first unless you didn't have the gold for it
Most IE ADCs are still gonna rush it
Idk, you and Ghost are the only people who play bot games.
This is for someone who was crying about AP itemisation nerfs....
I calculated the item gold efficiencies by updating shakrez's spreadsheet for 5.22
Pretty many items across the board had their gold efficiencies lowered by about 7-9%
AP lost a little less efficiency from season 5 to season 6 compared to AD items.
Interesting takeaways:
IE took a huge hit to efficiency. but makes up for it with big synergies with warlord's bloodlust keystone
As did Zhonya's, regulating it to a purely situational buy.
Trinity took a pretty big hit to efficiency (i know the numbers are wrong in the image). perhaps the loss of AS and AP is made up by CDR which is generally rare on trinity users. and perhaps the extra synergy with essence reaver is really valuable too
botrk got killed too, but it has a lot of synergy with lord dominik's regard
The core AP items everything other than Zhonyas - CDR item (athenes/morellos), DCap, void staff all remain ok, losing the nominal efficiency from the season6 pass.
Mages will kinda function similiar to before.
Ghostblade didn't lose any efficiency and so, relatively stronger.
Essence reaver also didnt lose much efficiency at 20% additional crit.
In general, caster ADC item efficiency matches Mage item efficiency sitting around 100%. Caster AD will probably have a stronger midgame than before since they can be crit based. Question marks float around how the nerfed LW will affect them - since caster AD have always relied on rushing ArPen really early, I assume their late game will be a little worse
The true "ADC items" - the multiplier items (IE falls here), eg. AS%, Crit%, energised effect, %bonusARpen and giant Slaying items generally have less than 100% efficiency and make up for the efficiency deficiency by being more than the sum of the parts on an adc - as it should be.
I'm curious how corki will be since he doesnt have to deal with the nerfed LW and just buy void whilst scaling his auto attacks in an AD build...
season 6 item sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oIvQtGqhen5KCyt-8OVqNruGhCIxg-exB3v97BkoqdM/edit?usp=sharing
all i've done is add base items to calc the efficiency and adjusted any final items that were changed. i havent added the energised items or adjusted in between items yet. I've opened it up for editing if people want to clean it up.
here is season 5 if you want to compare: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fee7v5p2xU_geeey7gb1GdHtlST7dS6ZU6vLHxrb3fI/edit?usp=sharing
I calculated the item gold efficiencies by updating shakrez's spreadsheet for 5.22
Pretty many items across the board had their gold efficiencies lowered by about 7-9%
AP lost a little less efficiency from season 5 to season 6 compared to AD items.
Interesting takeaways:
IE took a huge hit to efficiency. but makes up for it with big synergies with warlord's bloodlust keystone
As did Zhonya's, regulating it to a purely situational buy.
Trinity took a pretty big hit to efficiency (i know the numbers are wrong in the image). perhaps the loss of AS and AP is made up by CDR which is generally rare on trinity users. and perhaps the extra synergy with essence reaver is really valuable too
botrk got killed too, but it has a lot of synergy with lord dominik's regard
The core AP items everything other than Zhonyas - CDR item (athenes/morellos), DCap, void staff all remain ok, losing the nominal efficiency from the season6 pass.
Mages will kinda function similiar to before.
Ghostblade didn't lose any efficiency and so, relatively stronger.
Essence reaver also didnt lose much efficiency at 20% additional crit.
In general, caster ADC item efficiency matches Mage item efficiency sitting around 100%. Caster AD will probably have a stronger midgame than before since they can be crit based. Question marks float around how the nerfed LW will affect them - since caster AD have always relied on rushing ArPen really early, I assume their late game will be a little worse
The true "ADC items" - the multiplier items (IE falls here), eg. AS%, Crit%, energised effect, %bonusARpen and giant Slaying items generally have less than 100% efficiency and make up for the efficiency deficiency by being more than the sum of the parts on an adc - as it should be.
I'm curious how corki will be since he doesnt have to deal with the nerfed LW and just buy void whilst scaling his auto attacks in an AD build...
season 6 item sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oIvQtGqhen5KCyt-8OVqNruGhCIxg-exB3v97BkoqdM/edit?usp=sharing
all i've done is add base items to calc the efficiency and adjusted any final items that were changed. i havent added the energised items or adjusted in between items yet. I've opened it up for editing if people want to clean it up.
here is season 5 if you want to compare: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fee7v5p2xU_geeey7gb1GdHtlST7dS6ZU6vLHxrb3fI/edit?usp=sharing
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Ambition
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Welcome brou
Stone Ocean
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Don't listen to that Newt guy and his honeyed words
Welcome. What server do you play on?
killatopak
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Welcome!
Do you play assassins? Some hated champs like yas, riven, ryze? Get ready for a painful experience.
Otherwise this OT is good and fun.
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