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she has a billion tradeoffs for everything she does and she's weak as shit right now
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she has a billion tradeoffs for everything she does and she's weak as shit right now
NCR Redslayer
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Doesn't that ultimate count as suppression because you can't do anything nor be attacked in a block of ice?
can't do anything is a property of a stun.
you can be attacked and for that matter you can be attacked in suppression too.
The only suppressions in the game are malz, warwick, skarner and urgot ults.
suppression is a two way "stun" thing (so like malzahar/ww and their victims both can't move or do anything) that can't be mikael'd or cleansed
lissandra ult is just a stun, you can just get mikael'd out of it or just buy qss since it also gives u a good chunk of mr
lissandra ult also has 550 range so if she gets to you she probably did a cool engage or you mispositioned, both cases in which it's fair for her to kill you.
Which ISP?
Because dying to point and click spells without being able to respond is so fun
550 range shouldn't mean she should be able to kill you without any counterplay especially since that should include her claw range.
Diana similarly is an all in mage and can have her skills dodged. A Liss with kill potential basically just needs to claw in over a wall midpoint and just ult you to kill you
How is it fair that you should die if Liss gets within 550 range of you? That unfairness was the reason ryze got reworked and it's even easier for lizz to get within striking range
Time and time again theyve shown the intent that they want Liss to be an initiator first and assassin, a far second.
Maybe they'll give her a shield on w cast next
Terbinator
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leona is very tanky so yeah ofcourse that would be a bit overkill.
No, you can't. Mikaels is worse than QSS.
My next goal; How to beat an aggressive Blitz with Sona.
I honestly got rekt by him last game. The moment he runs after you is just pressurising and cornering me with his ADC was easy for him. It didn't help that my ADC played quite passively, but I have to figure out how to out manoeuvre him.
I could use E, but there is also his grappler....
I honestly got rekt by him last game. The moment he runs after you is just pressurising and cornering me with his ADC was easy for him. It didn't help that my ADC played quite passively, but I have to figure out how to out manoeuvre him.
I could use E, but there is also his grappler....
If you take away Leonas ar/mr on w and gave her higher Ap ratios she would be less annoying than a high damage lissandra
Wolf Akela
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Mikael is just for standard CC outside suppression.
QSS removes debuffs and summoners too.
Cleanse removes all CC but not debuffs.
Edit: I think Cleanse doesn't remove suppression so it's just like Mikael?
QSS removes debuffs and summoners too.
Cleanse removes all CC but not debuffs.
Edit: I think Cleanse doesn't remove suppression so it's just like Mikael?
Cleanse does indeed not remove suppression.
In the league days of old it did, which made WW/Malz near unplayable in ranked.
I think Cleanse removes Ignite or something nowadays though, it hasn't always done that (or rather, IIRC it used to remove it but got nerfed to not remove it and now it removes it again).
Terbinator
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#forclarity
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Its not that lissandra is weak as shit
Its that shes outclassed by far better ap mids and what not. Liss is fine as she is until shes put up against those better ap mids. So its not a matter of just buffing liss, they need to tear down all the strong picks. Huehue
Its that shes outclassed by far better ap mids and what not. Liss is fine as she is until shes put up against those better ap mids. So its not a matter of just buffing liss, they need to tear down all the strong picks. Huehue
I don't really post over in this thread, but I think I might have a problem GAF...
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24086499#matches
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Terbinator
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The bobble head looks alright but the actual figure looks very 'eh' quality wise lol.
Should have been Frost-Butt Irelia.
Yeah, the face (and some paint) is a bit janky. I made the "action figure" myself a year back, lol. Was originally a Wonder Woman figure, but I have a hell of a hard time painting in minature.
Plushie is a WIP (no clothes at the moment, so the box is censoring).
Terbinator
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Fair effort in that case. I thought you'd bought it.
Stone Ocean
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That looks like a fine problem to have
I wouldn't expect an easy win. Even after the nerfs smite laners can be damn strong.
new darius is fun
On related news, i'm pretty sure nosh is the most inactive anivia in all of gaf. Was 0/0/0 at minute 20, such a dead weight to carry (^:
Omg teach me
Terbinator
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What's the situation with these legacy skins?
Well the enemy adc had choose smite on accident. But we still got dropped tho cause we had a bot on our team + an afker. So twice in a row I had to play games with 3 vs 5
time for a break. gonna tryout dota 2 somemore (I like their custom modes) and come back to LoL refreshed tomorrow
not really, lots of things are fun and unfair without being point and click
it's not fun to get malphite ulted and the yasuo who didn't do anything just gets a free ult off without any effort
or to get leona ulted every 60s cos no one bothered to give that thing a proper cooldown
annie ult is not point and click and is annoying all the same
a spell being targeted doesn't mean anything for her "funness". adc damage is all targeted and u don't see me complaining about it
including her claw is disingenous cos the claw moves so slowly it's almost as if she's walking to you. if lissandra doesn't find a good angle to surprise you then she played well and should be rewarded for it
as far as counterplay, just buy qss, like you would against zed or stick with your team, they have a aegis or a mikaels, ezpz.
pls diana just clicks on you and q's mid-dash for the impossible-to-dodge reset. and her dash is instant
they're nothing alike, you wouldn't compare lizzy to akali just because both have dashes would you
no, the reason ryze got reworked is that ryze was a lane bully, a scaling monster, a tank and a mage at the same time, with free stats in like half his spells that had an easy as shit build path.
and again, dying within the range of a dangerous champion is the most normal thing ever. you're in range of riven or syndra or leblanc or zed or vayne or whatever and you just die
and lissandra isn't really an assassin without dfg, and that's fine
good let's just stack on shitty mechanics to force her into a shitty supporty top laner position instead of actually really easily fixing her laning by giving her the 20 dmg to her q she needs to be able not to lose every ever
which never made any sense outside of them leaving it like that so malzahar and ww and whatever are a bit less shit
is this like opposite-reddit
like pls rito nerf this entire class instead of changing the actual problem wahh wahh
and then like OMG RITO WHY U NEVER HAVE TIME FOR WHAT I WANT
Dreams-Visions
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Comcast. 100/10 package. It's quite clear when last-hitting and doing certain combos that things are not as they seem. Minions dying a little longer after they've been clicked. Abilities not upgrading after being clicked, shit like that.
there are some available that will cease to be available on the 30th.
Stone Ocean
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Liss ain't much of a problem without DFG
BreezyLimbo
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If they meaningfully buff lissandra (and not just some healing on her ult) that creates the issue that she suddenly becomes one of those "must picks" and it doesnt really solve her problem, it just makes her into one.
Either buff everything or nerf all the egregious champions so everything becomes more viable
Ghost is Bad
Banned
wtf is that lmao
Dam i had no idea bots were such an issue while leveling
Anyways chin up no problem with taking a break for a while
Ghost is Bad
Banned
play with a friend and make them share ur pain.
yup, dfg made her an assassin, without dfg she's a cool enage mage
without damage she can't just do basic laning
just revert the q nerf, it's that easy
basic damage to have some waveclear and trading power doesn't create any problems
the meta's completely different
also the thing about "buff all the egregious cases" is that it's exactly what rito says, just balance the extremes and leave the most champions the same so you don't completely fuck up the game every time you patch and go with the whole power creep etc.
it's just a bad idea to balance that way
...at some point Riot should just remove suppression and clear all this nonsense up.
Also, anyone know what happened to the Zyra changes that were supposed to be on the PBE?
well it's less of a matter of suppression and more of a matter of champion kits
like ww, urgot and malzahar are all trash champs that need complete reworks
skarner is pretty ok when he's not broken so i dunno how they could solve his ult since not being able to get mikael'd is prolly very important for his viability
no good solution for his case, really, but you could do something like if he gets his ult interrupted he gets a lower cooldown or whatever
like ww, urgot and malzahar are all trash champs that need complete reworks
skarner is pretty ok when he's not broken so i dunno how they could solve his ult since not being able to get mikael'd is prolly very important for his viability
no good solution for his case, really, but you could do something like if he gets his ult interrupted he gets a lower cooldown or whatever
prolly got pushed, not sure if we're gonna have a patch next week or if they did like an internal version update and they'll start adding things to pbe back next week
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
I've played a total amount of 3 Darius games tho. On the other hand I suck top lane and never play there yet I've ended 14/6, 14/7 and 18/5 so either I've been really lucky or I'm doing at least a couple things right. Here's some early random thoughts:
So far I've started with short sword and 3 pots. Sword to rush phage and get black cleaver first item and 3 pots for sustain. That new armor item with the shield passive seems useful. The only other damage item I've needed is that hydra (best item), everything else is armor/mr. I go Q, W, E then max Q followed by E. Q's your main tool and E's very useful plus gives free armor pen. Points on W only lower its cooldown so merely put one for the auto reset.
From my experience if your lane opponent is melee you can *easily* land good Qs when they predictably go to last hit a creep. If the Q doesn't land properly you pull back but if it does then by all means go in and auto->W. At 3 passive stacks you're likely going to win the trade and if they retreat they'll still lose a good chunk of HP (should you not be much injured, feel free to E them back for more extra hits). If you land 5 stacks you're definitely winning the trade. Once they're at <50% health with no pots left either they recall or it's a kill.
If you're overextended and get ganked but one of them is in bad shape you can likely take one with you. For that game I had Lee coming in early at half HP so I baited away his Q forcing them to walk up to me - this, coupled with the fact Darius can move while casting Q let me hit both of them from the lane bush that clearly wasn't warded, followed by a slap on Lee that made him too scared to keep fighting. E'd him back, 5 stacked him, killed and turned on Riven. With the passive rework, Riven received instantly 5 stacks as well and I got free AD, so I went from 0/1 to 2/1.
Do not always save the R for kills nor wait until you've applied 5 stacks all the time. It still does a nice bunch of damage on its own and can often mean the guy that flashed away won't have enough HP left to survive the hemorrage ticks.
After laning phase is over simply don't get kited and ward often, esp the enemy jungle. Extremely easy to catch people off guard in bushes with Q then E, tho at my low elo most players are rather predictable. When teamfights happen see if you can drive-by Q a bunch of them before going all in and remember the grab will disrupt players.
That's what I got from a couple games at my middling ELO. I had forgotten how much fun playing Chopman was, maybe today I'll go jungle with the OT Dario skin.
I really like Irelia, lol
Ghost is Bad
Banned
u ever had to build double phantom dancer zed in coop ai?
i just did.
i just did.
thestopsign
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I really liked when Fnatic picked him, unfortunately they forgot to include any engage in that comp and got completely out-scaled. He works against Fizz too btw.
Ghost is Bad
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1v5 is still hard in coop ai wtf
and 3v3 ai has like 30 minute queues.
and 3v3 ai has like 30 minute queues.
Tahm just needs a bit more strength pre-6. The mana cost buff to Devourer on the PBE will actually help him out a lot, particularly top where he now has the option of maxing W in unfavourable lanes and just farm up with its AoE damage component. In support it's just more insurance that it'll be available when needed, but in the few Tahm support games I've played I never felt like I was mana starved.
Ghost is Bad
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yesterday i had a 50 minute 3v3 ai queue
wtf was that.
ANSWER ME SKYLON
wtf was that.
ANSWER ME SKYLON
Dreams-Visions
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i've never heard of it taking that long. that's insane.
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