Dreams-Visions
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Laning against a decent Xerath. Champ can be acutely obnoxious.
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Laning against a decent Xerath. Champ can be acutely obnoxious.
Stone Ocean
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Is there any jungler that doesn't take AS runes?
NCR Redslayer
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The ap junglers.
Khazix, pantheon, fiddlesticks, etc. More caster types.
Tahm would really benefit from a QoL changes. First, he should have a skill shot indicator when he swallows minions/monsters to know how far and where he'll spit them out. Second, after selecting the location where he wants to ult to, he should be able to click on nearby teammates to let them know "I want you to ult with me". Third, when he presses W on a teammate out of range there should be an indication on that teammate's screen showing that Tahm is coming to devourer them. The teammate can then waive them off by using either the caution or danger ping.
In the jungle his initial clear sucks. He needs all three skills to get the job done and the buff camps smash him up pre-6. Even with a solid leash doing Krug/Gromp->Buff->Buff is rough. Double jungle* solves this but most people don't do this yet. I've seen lots of high level Tahm players actually clear one side of the jungle and then to the corresponding river crab and then going to the other side of the jungle. The extra bit of time used to nab the crab gives him enough HP via regen to clear the remainder of the jungle safely.
Fun trick is to wait until Gromp/Krug are at 20%+100 HP remaining and then devouring them, walk over to the red/buff camp and spit them out.
I don't find his initiation that bad. Not great by any stretch, but not bad. Bigger problem is that like Leona, using all your tools on initiation means you're out of position to peel for your carries. In the matches I've played him in (support only so far) I prefer playing him like Mundo, just a big meat shield to give my carries a moment to apply damage and win those pre-fight trades before the big brawl breaks out.
Like dimb I still love him though. Fun, easy to play, hard to master, and his visuals/audio work are perfect.
Mm, even then, frankly. Elise and Diana have higher win rates with attack speed reds. Having tried both AS reds and the usual penetration reds I much prefer the AS reds on both of them. Makes a big difference in the early game clear times which is important for both champions. Wouldn't be surprised if Fizz has higher win rates with AS reds too. General rule of thumb is that if you have an on-hit effect in your kit, you'll benefit from AS reds or quints because those effects tend to add up very quickly because of how important AAs are to jungling, particularly early game.
In the jungle his initial clear sucks. He needs all three skills to get the job done and the buff camps smash him up pre-6. Even with a solid leash doing Krug/Gromp->Buff->Buff is rough. Double jungle* solves this but most people don't do this yet. I've seen lots of high level Tahm players actually clear one side of the jungle and then to the corresponding river crab and then going to the other side of the jungle. The extra bit of time used to nab the crab gives him enough HP via regen to clear the remainder of the jungle safely.
Fun trick is to wait until Gromp/Krug are at 20%+100 HP remaining and then devouring them, walk over to the red/buff camp and spit them out.
I don't find his initiation that bad. Not great by any stretch, but not bad. Bigger problem is that like Leona, using all your tools on initiation means you're out of position to peel for your carries. In the matches I've played him in (support only so far) I prefer playing him like Mundo, just a big meat shield to give my carries a moment to apply damage and win those pre-fight trades before the big brawl breaks out.
Like dimb I still love him though. Fun, easy to play, hard to master, and his visuals/audio work are perfect.
Mm, even then, frankly. Elise and Diana have higher win rates with attack speed reds. Having tried both AS reds and the usual penetration reds I much prefer the AS reds on both of them. Makes a big difference in the early game clear times which is important for both champions. Wouldn't be surprised if Fizz has higher win rates with AS reds too. General rule of thumb is that if you have an on-hit effect in your kit, you'll benefit from AS reds or quints because those effects tend to add up very quickly because of how important AAs are to jungling, particularly early game.
Stone Ocean
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So it sounds like reddit is gonna start bitching about Lux being too strong
lol
lol
Tahm has some priority issues in his code and could use a little more cleanup in his interface. I do agree with using w primarily to protect from incoming burst/cc but in those cases when you want to eat a three stack enemy it will go for your ally and totally screw you over if that said enemy gets their CDs back. He has trouble getting to people, his ult is clunky and very easy to react to and his presence is lane is lackluster. I'm just waiting for riot to clean him up a little bit before deciding what buffs he needs.
thats why i dont like random buffs like the ones she's got
it doesn't address her issues, and it only highlights them tbh, cos she has a lot of excess stuff power to compensate and now it probably went overboard :T
Stone Ocean
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They won't show up till next week
Tizoc
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Mostmanlyman
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I don't want there to be more zed players :/. Does Liss ult stop zed ult?
If there is a bunch of zed players I am going to be picking her up.
Dreams-Visions
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what's a good heimer counter in the 1v1?
I assume ranged poke that goes over minions? Varus/Ahri/Azir/Xerath/Vel? Maybe mixed champs like Lux/Brand?
Yep ranged poke works good against him for sure. Melee champs are not so good lol
i'd say someone with good waveclear that can outrange him later on in teamfights
so yea xerath, ziggs, azir
ori is tough cos early on her waveclear is pretty trash but she can survive him
but best strategy against heimer is the ping back key
dont EVER let your jungler stupidly walk into his death, like spam that shit like cray!
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Ziggs and Syndra make Heimer cry. Xerath works too.
syndra q nerf made early laning against heimer kind of tough, really
like, i played against a pretty good heimer a month ago that was like impossibly annoying to play against cos she can't waveclear great and she doesn't have shields or range to be safe under turret against him. so like u have to do like auto turret shot auto for casters and that's always a couple autos from him u'd get and all that dodging missiles and grenades
i still killed him like a billion times later on but laning was pretty rough
like, i played against a pretty good heimer a month ago that was like impossibly annoying to play against cos she can't waveclear great and she doesn't have shields or range to be safe under turret against him. so like u have to do like auto turret shot auto for casters and that's always a couple autos from him u'd get and all that dodging missiles and grenades
i still killed him like a billion times later on but laning was pretty rough
Ghost is Bad
Banned
just max w first ez
more sensible nerf, specially since i feel the old one actually hurt supp lulu a lot
note that the spellthief change is still there, so i guess lulu support might be pretty nice now. i liked her before too tbh, but double proccing spellthief is nice since it's like double the damagess double the moneyzz, that's pretty sweet
wish they did that for sona too
and nami
or they basically made spellthief double dmg lol
Stone Ocean
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More or less. I'd even have preferred a nerf on the stun values back to what they used to be, even knowing that would make her weaker early. Or make it a snare like I suggested a while ago. Elise actually felt really nice to play late game.
she isn't nerfed to the ground
also sadly that's league of legends, all the champions i've ever played have gotten nerfed probably multiple times. also buffed, but buffs never hurt :<
i'm trying real hard to think of a champion of mine that hasn't ever gotten nerfed, but i really can't think of any.
it's the cycle of life
also sadly that's league of legends, all the champions i've ever played have gotten nerfed probably multiple times. also buffed, but buffs never hurt :<
i'm trying real hard to think of a champion of mine that hasn't ever gotten nerfed, but i really can't think of any.
it's the cycle of life
Don't get too stressed about that stuff man. It's a discussion forum so people always exaggerate a bit when it comes to champions getting buffed and nerfed, especially when it's their favorite champion. I know I've been guilty of this in the past. Most of the nerfs that go through are going to be relatively minor unless that champion has been ridiculously overpowered and in those cases it's usually well justified.
Wolf Akela
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Nearly halved base damage for spiderlings isn't nerfed to the ground?
Stone Ocean
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Elise's strength never revolved around her lategame relevance so not really
Ghost is Bad
Banned
spiderlings were only good early tho
PhillipCostigan
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I just used the highest winrate stuff on champion.gg
here you go:
First clear is definitely rough but once you get your jungle item after your first back it's actually one of the quickest and safest in the game I think.
Spiderlings deal way more damage late game than you guys are giving them credit for. I'd wager over the course of a typical 5v5 they'll contribute 800+ damage easy. It's actually early on that their base damage sucks because there aren't many of them, W hasn't been leveled for the AS boost (passive and active) and their on-hit damage scales with her ult level. They're only good for tanking monster damage pre-6 and only provide significant damage post-11.
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I've been on tilt for a while and still, the dumbest thing I've ever seen was my own two kassadin games.
Dreams-Visions
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lash them newt
lol @ what Ghost said in the lobby chat in that screenshot above.
Yeah hopefully I wont notice any changes to Elise when I take her for a spin later. Yeah I need to grow some thicker skin and just get used to the constant nerfing / buffing.
[edit] huh checked patch notes didnt see the Elise spiderling nerf I guess that must be on PBE?
Yeah hopefully I wont notice any changes to Elise when I take her for a spin later. Yeah I need to grow some thicker skin and just get used to the constant nerfing / buffing.
[edit] huh checked patch notes didnt see the Elise spiderling nerf I guess that must be on PBE?
Ghost is Bad
Banned
most toxic player gaf.
My poor Kali
.Ghost is Bad
Banned
roa lulu is probably the better late game option but i think it takes too long to scale up compared to the instant power boost you get from a morellonomicon.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
As much as i dont like her, i fully expect riot to at least revert those nerfs because of her upcoming championship skin. They dont give that skin to losers you know.My poor Kali
The nerfs were pretty brutal. Much larger cooldown on ult, and w doesn't scale anymore.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
u go from 12-20% to 10% at all stages of the game
who thought that was smart lol.
who thought that was smart lol.
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