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[Nekofrog]

tahm is still my favorite champion conceptually, from a design point.

big old catfish frog toad thing. right up my alley. :3

 

[patchday]

Yeah those Kali nerfs. I don't think I'm going to buy her when she goes on sale.

It's nice though Vi and Karma got buffed those are my two most played characters with Diana running 3rd (plz dont touch Diana)

 

[NCR Redslayer]

Yeah those Kali nerfs. I don't think I'm going to buy her when she goes on sale.

It's nice though Vi and Karma got buffed those are my two most played characters with Diana running 3rd (plz dont touch Diana)

That vi buff was haphazard. Shes spectacular right now but why make her better? Her early game was her greatest weakness.

 

[garath]

Elise spider damage nerf...ouch. Would have preferred another hit to Q damage.

Sigh. Elise is like a roller coaster.

 

[zkylon]

roa lulu is probably the better late game option but i think it takes too long to scale up compared to the instant power boost you get from a morellonomicon.

yeah i heard a little bit about this

i like the idea of buying roa on more champions, i keep meaning to do it on ori but i feel like i'd miss the cdr from like morellos/athenes rush too much

i should try it on lissandra at least

but ugh, the thought of building "tanky" on lissandra just

ugh

 

[dimb]

tahm is still my favorite champion conceptually, from a design point.

big old catfish frog toad thing. right up my alley. :3

I do not think the concept worked out on the base skin. His clothes are weird and wrong. His cook skin is really cool but I'm like 40 RP short, and I don't know that I really want to buy more right now.

 

[zkylon]

wow noot u play on the shittiest vayne skin also

you have really poor taste

 

[Newt]

wow noot u play on the shittiest vayne skin also

you have really poor taste

I use the green chroma of that skin.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

chroma? ew

 

[zkylon]

archlight vayne is a cool looking skin

u should use that one

 

[Newt]

archlight vayne is a cool looking skin

u should use that one

Not edgy enough.

 

[zkylon]

well then use heartseeker

 

[Newt]

well then use heartseeker

You think I'm Stone Lotion?

 

[zkylon]

well thats why my first suggestion was archlight

but those are the two good vayne skins

and u went ahead and bought chromas for the worst one -__-

 

[Newt]

well thats why my first suggestion was archlight

but those are the two good vayne skins

and u went ahead and bought chromas for the worst one -__-

The best one you mean.

 

[Stone Ocean]

You think I'm Stone Lotion?

Rude

 

[Ghost is Bad]

nude

 

[killatopak]

So they're buffing morde. As if he wasn't strong enough. Ugh.

 

[Stone Ocean]

So they're buffing morde. As if he wasn't strong enough. Ugh.

They're not buffing him, they're big-ass nerfs. His W damage just got cut in half so they're just making sure said half is not too low.

 

[Ambition]

Leveling a smurf is so painful. How do people do it?

 

[NCR Redslayer]

Leveling a smurf is so painful. How do people do it?

I believe mmo grinding has made peoples endurance for smurfs rockhard.

 

[Newt]

Leveling a smurf is so painful. How do people do it?

One smurf game per ranked win.

 

[killatopak]

They're not buffing him, they're big-ass nerfs. His W damage just got cut in half so they're just making sure said half is not too low.

Mordekaiser
Armor per level increased to 3.75 from 3.5
Base armor reduced to 22 from 24.88
Harvesters of Sorrow (W) "when they touch" damage lowered to 140/200/260/320/380 from 180/250/320/390/460
[NOTE: Live value is currently 140/180/220/260/300.]

They nerfed the buff.

 

[zkylon]

those are changes on previous morde changes

this is the full list

Mordekaiser
Armor per level increased to 3.75 from 3.5
Base armor reduced to 22 from 24.88
Mace of Spades (Q) health cost increased to 25/30/35/40/45 from 20/23/26/29/32 health.
Harvesters of Sorrow (W) has several changes:
- W can now be self cast
- [Will not do the "when they touch" damage but will do the reactivate damage.]
- [W's damage zones can no longer overlap for double damage - source.]
- Movement speed noted as "up to" 75 instead of just 75
- Health cost increased to 25/30/35/40/45 from 0
- "When Touching" damage increased to 140/200/260/320/380 (.9 AP) from 140/180/220/260/300 (.6 AP)
- Reactivation damage increased to 70/95/120/145/170 from 50/70/90/110/130
- % heal on minions lowered to 25% from 33%
- Max number of units drained reduced to 2 from 3

 

[killatopak]

There's more buffs than nerfs in that. I still think it's a net buff. They are trying to buff solo kaiser more though.

 

[Stone Ocean]

There's more buffs than nerfs in that. I still think it's a net buff. They are trying to buff solo kaiser more though.

wat

They reduced his base armor, increased his health costs, made his MS buff have a ramp up, and cut his sustain by half. His W damage is getting increased because Riot removed the ability to stack his W zones for double damage, removing a massive chunk of his potential damage and early pushing ability. The armor per level buff is pretty much the only actual buff in that list aside from solo Morde being able to self cast W again

 

[killatopak]

wat

They reduced his base armor, increased his health costs, made his MS buff have a ramp up, and cut his sustain by half. His W damage is getting increased because Riot removed the ability to stack his W zones for double damage, removing a massive chunk of his potential damage and early pushing ability. The armor per level buff is pretty much the only actual buff in that list aside from solo Morde being able to self cast W again

So he gets less sustain huh...

Personally, I still think he's too strong even with those supposed nerfs. Just stick a Soraka or someone with a heal with him and he'll be able to sustain lane forever. That coupled with his damage output is just bonkers. We'll see once it hits live. There's a 80% chance I'm wrong but with the right comps he'll still wreck shit. To be fair, if he doesn't have synergy anymore with the majority of supports, I'll think of it as a nerf.

 

[Mostmanlyman]

So he gets less sustain huh...

Personally, I still think he's too strong even with those supposed nerfs. Just stick a Soraka or someone with a heal with him and he'll be able to sustain lane forever. That coupled with his damage output is just bonkers. We'll see once it hits live. There's a 80% chance I'm wrong but with the right comps he'll still wreck shit. To be fair, if he doesn't have synergy anymore with the majority of supports, I'll think of it as a nerf.

Put a soraka with anyone and they will sustain for every that is what she does. I problem is that he has no cc and with out a hard engage it is hard to force a fight.

 

[killatopak]

Put a soraka with anyone and they will sustain for every that is what she does. I problem is that he has no cc and with out a hard engage it is hard to force a fight.

You don't need to force a fight. You just shove to the tower using Morde's skills. Since it has health costs now, you mitigate it by putting a healing support with you. By doing this, you make the enemy laner lose cs and it is slowly chipping tower hp while you can back off after shoving it to avoid ganks.

Sooner or later, you're gonna outlevel the enemy laner due to your passive and you can try to be more aggressive or contest dragon.

Edit: Oh and if your support needs sustain too, you can buy a relic shield for yourself.

 

[zkylon]

i mean, the problem if you push to turret with soraka is that you're a botlane with little dmg (morde's melee, soraka doesn't do all that much) and no cc that is gonna get destroyed by ganks

i dunno, i think the sustain nerfs are pretty important but i guess we'll see

i don't pretend to understand new mordekaiser

 

[killatopak]

I've played against and with Morde a few times. You pick morde and soraka for example when you have a team comp that has cc. A gragas jungle for example would be a good pick.

I guess that's one weakness when you have Soraka in your team but you can just as easily replace her with Sona or Nami for more aggressiveness.

 

[zkylon]

the problem is that the other team can just kite your really easily and that's as far as your dmg goes

if the other team has like lulu or ori or whatever what the hell are you gonna do with morde

 

[killatopak]

That's when you rely on your team mates for engaging them and locking them down.

Morde has had the highest win rate in bot lane since his rework. I'm sure many have tried to kite him as a strategy but you can't kite him and kite his team mates as well. Morde has an MS buff to his kit and pair it with a support with an MS buff as well and it makes it harder to kite morde.

I'm not sure if the same could be said when the changes his live.

Please take my comments with a grain of salt though. ADC is my worst role and I don't play morde at all so I just base it when I play with him and from how I analyze his skills.

 

[zkylon]

read this thread for more info on why the stats on morde are very inaccurate: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueofle...rdekaiser_does_not_have_a_65_win_rate_as_adc/ (specially the first comment and the rioter's post on it)

 

[killatopak]

First post still states that he has an absurd win rate around 59% but I do get that statistics doesn't tell the whole story especially with how inaccurate Riot's api is regarding unconventional champs like morde.

 

[Pancakes]

Leveling a smurf is so painful. How do people do it?

It really isn't. Unless they nerfed exp gains from 3v3 bots you can do it rather easily while just watching Twitch streams and a couple boosts. Now getting IP for that smurf, that's the shitty part.

 

[Calvero]

You don't need spellvamp on Mundo.
You could've gotten Sterak or Dead Man's Plate, or Rylai for lulz, BoRK would be OK I guess, or heck new Hydra since he's jacked up on HP.

Yeah it was more as disrespect towards the other team

 

[Calvero]

I've found that ranked is a lot funner and a lot easier to deal through if you constantly try different champs even throwing in the ones you don't know too well at lower elos.

 

[killatopak]

Probably one of the most one sided games I've ever played even though we had fucking support yasuo.

 

[Nekofrog]

"i picked morde because it was open"

jesus christ

 

[NCR Redslayer]

Ive played against one of the nastiest yasuos ever. He started E and trolled so hard. It didnt help that udyr fed him so that he still did major damage. I killed him a few time but fuck that.

 

[Fracas]

So I somehow made my college's competitive LoL team. I'm starting ADC and my teammates are all plat and diamond (I'm silver IV haha, though I haven't played ranked in a while). During tryouts a while back we did ranked 5s and our bot lane consistently beat plat and even diamond lanes. Unreal.

I got a lot of work to do.

 

[23qwerty]

alright gold 4 promos lets go

Ive played against one of the nastiest yasuos ever. He started E and trolled so hard. It didnt help that udyr fed him so that he still did major damage. I killed him a few time but fuck that.

e start is pretty common

 

[zkylon]

Ive played against one of the nastiest yasuos ever. He started E and trolled so hard. It didnt help that udyr fed him so that he still did major damage. I killed him a few time but fuck that.

well all yasuos start e -__-

 

[NCR Redslayer]

Well this the first im ever seeing it. Why trade knock up for shenanigans?

 

[killatopak]

Is Yasuo's E the poke? That's the most common start I've seen.

 

[Newt]

Is Yasuo's E the poke? That's the most common start I've seen.

no...

 

[23qwerty]

shyv against a full ad team is hilarious

literal 1v5

 

[Pancakes]

Bu-bu-but the donger is useless Kappa.

 

[Newt]

Bu-bu-but the donger is useless Kappa.

Blind pick reported.