Inskipp
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Well jungling definitely got a lot easier...
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Well jungling definitely got a lot easier...
You forgot to bold Nasus and Trynd
Nasus can be countered easily and admittedly I haven't played Tryn since his nerf, but I barely see him anymore after the nerf. It's just a built in hatred of Trondfortmore.
My bolding started out as a "These are the ones you should play first." Out of that list, depending on the role, you should play Morgana, Malphite, Teemo, Janna.
lazorexplosion
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Standard Rumble is something along the lines of boots + pots -> will of the ancients -> sorc boots -> rylai's -> deathcap -> abyssal/zhonyas but its pretty flexible.
It takes a little time to get used to last hitting with Rumble because if you let the flamethrower bring creeps too low you will lose last hits to your creeps so you cant just point the flamethrower at the creeps all the time, you gotta get used to moving around and getting the last hits with attacks and E's.
Hmm, Fiora's been revealed too: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/fiora-grand-duelist-revealed
...Those thighs...
...Those thighs...
I played Fiddle pretty much exclusively for months; he's still fun in low-level games but once you hit level 30 everybody's aware of what you can do and your utility bottoms.
Inskipp
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I guess that's true.... I rarely find an opportunity to play him nowadays. He needs to face a passive lane- opponent, so he can farm. And those are hard to come by.
Unless your mid doesn't use mana, every blue buff after the first one should be donated to your mid. It's one of the reasons blue-reliant junglers are less favored.
This change will simply make junglers less reliant on the blue buff.
I really need to start keeping track of how many champions are nerfed four weeks after they come out. "So we told you to use Ziggs Q, and he was kinda crappy in 5v5, but you're doing too well with his E, so we're nerfing that. YOU WILL USE THE Q LIKE WE TOLD YOU".
I really don't think Ziggs will become better in 5v5 after this, but maybe I'm wrong. Bleah.
I really don't think Ziggs will become better in 5v5 after this, but maybe I'm wrong. Bleah.
Boots or armor start depending on lane. Pick up Hextech Revolver first. Then grab Rylai's. That's the crucial stuff. Then add Rabadon's, upgrade to WotA, grab an Hourglass, and an Abyssal Scepter in the order that makes sense for the game.
zerokoolpsx
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Fiona is a cross between Xin Zhao and Master Yi. Xin's E and Yi's R but with a shorter cd and duration. Only refreshes her E though. Her W looks like fun for 1v1 situations. Her stats on the wiki are way too high. The comments on that page even mentioned that its not her final base stats until the patch is released.
SouthernDragon
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They are trying to avoid another Xin Zhao where he's a powerful 1v1 but melts otherwise.
I would be happy if Zhao had Graves' passive, mmhmm
7 game win streak with Wukong, holding strong
Isn't it supposed to work where the highest ELO people pick first? Though I guess you could argue that it should randomize it so that sometimes you're highest ELO and sometimes not?
Not in Normal games. And groups of people are always stuck with the top picks.
Normal? I thought we were talking solo queue draft RANKED, sorry.
Speaking of ranked, I just tried one today and had what was possibly my best Riven game yet.
The big saving grace for me was that the akali top lane was apparently quite bad. Mid gave two kills including first blood to Morgana almost immediately (even under a tower?), and I think they had fed 4 kills and were complaining about Morgana's sustain etc. early on. Bottom lane seemed to have been dying too, and I guess only Jarvan and I were doing well. It was scary. Anyway, we started focusing on getting morg and ashe first, and despite setbacks (alistar seemed to like walking into certain death, I guess we didn't understand an initiation...or losing baron buff and guardians angel and like two kills because jarvan chased akali down a lane away from a teamfight, and I tried to fight and died), we started coordinating better and getting kills.
I think I may have gotten two or three triple kills. <3
Also, just to reinforce, I really like flash on Riven. I may sometimes take too much turret damage or have it killed when I go back, and teleport could help me not lose out on XP top lane, but it is so nice to be able to flash-stun or flash-ult or flash-chase people in key situations, especially near teamfights.
The big saving grace for me was that the akali top lane was apparently quite bad. Mid gave two kills including first blood to Morgana almost immediately (even under a tower?), and I think they had fed 4 kills and were complaining about Morgana's sustain etc. early on. Bottom lane seemed to have been dying too, and I guess only Jarvan and I were doing well. It was scary. Anyway, we started focusing on getting morg and ashe first, and despite setbacks (alistar seemed to like walking into certain death, I guess we didn't understand an initiation...or losing baron buff and guardians angel and like two kills because jarvan chased akali down a lane away from a teamfight, and I tried to fight and died), we started coordinating better and getting kills.
I think I may have gotten two or three triple kills. <3
Also, just to reinforce, I really like flash on Riven. I may sometimes take too much turret damage or have it killed when I go back, and teleport could help me not lose out on XP top lane, but it is so nice to be able to flash-stun or flash-ult or flash-chase people in key situations, especially near teamfights.
Flash wouldn't be the summoner spell I'd suggest giving up for teleport. Ignite really is overrated, imo.
Yeah, Flash > everything, but Ignite is really strong actually. Loads of damage, still pretty much untouched for a long time while many other summoners got nerfed. It can help you win your lane top, and can really benefit certain champions. Flash/Ignite can be better than Flash/Teleport in solo games. If your jungler isn't picking up dragon then you should just be prioritizing winning the lane. Teleport isn't essential top, and I would imagine that's especially true for Riven who can run back to lane really fast.
SouthernDragon
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Why the hell didn't you play like that when we played together?
Haha, ouch. I think it's my curse and I play worse when I'm on your team.
Also, solo top Riven is the vast majority of my playtime over the last like...month or two, and I seem to recall you like playing solo top, so maybe I gave you the role instead? Or maybe it's just the curse.
I hate to jinx it but according to my notes, I'm roughly 64% win ratio (31/17) for my last 48 games of Riven top. I think I used to be above 70% but I had some fail games. And a lot of those may just be teammates carrying me, but still, overall I'm semi-competent at Riven.
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Because when we play, enemy akali doesn't build frozen mallet, no karma, and morgana wouldn't build force of nature instead of hourglass. =/
That's your fault for having a high ELO!
SouthernDragon
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If thats the case I've never played a good Graves :/
Anyway, I have 880 something RP, I want a sale Riot
edit: I should add I want a sale with some champs I actually want
Mister Wilhelm
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He's a shadow of his former self after the ult nerf. It does very little damage now.
The mana nerf to Q isn't that bad, but I think Kog and Cait beat him out pretty well.
SouthernDragon
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I clearly missed out on Graves' ult when it was good. I always pretend I just don't have an ult when I play as him. His Q seems far better, weirdly enough.
I can't see akali beating riven at all. There's so much aoe that akali's shroud isn't even worth the energy to bring out.
Soooo Fiora.... or another rune page for my supports
XeroSauce
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What?!
How is her scaling then? She sounds like a better Riven at this point.
SouthernDragon
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Well, fuck you too
Hes banned every game anyway
SouthernDragon
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Her scaling isn't great from the number set that's out. She falls behind other champions base stats later on. I also don't think she'll have the impact on a team fight that Riven has.
His ult feels like a second buckshot with more range
That's all it really needs to be for me. I like it for picking up kills and initiating. It gives him some snipe potential that can't be blocked.
Schmattakopf
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I always seem to just use it on people that are out of range of my Q that I could potentially finish off.
XeroSauce
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Going to buy Malzahar because he has been so fun from the free week. I spent my IP on an actual AP Rune Page so he wrecks even more.
Is Nocturne viable anymore? I'm still looking into junglers and I like his kit, but I never see him anymore and I fear that he isn't up to par with other junglers.
Is Nocturne viable anymore? I'm still looking into junglers and I like his kit, but I never see him anymore and I fear that he isn't up to par with other junglers.
SouthernDragon
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I love doubling it up with his Q, though. Dash -> Smoke -> QR KABOOM
This was poseted sometime back and I have tested it and I have to say I really like it. I like the more clean ui style.
http://leaguecraft.com/uimods/56-perb-ui-0-37.xhtml
not going back to the original if I don't have to
http://leaguecraft.com/uimods/56-perb-ui-0-37.xhtml
not going back to the original if I don't have to
If you look at Sonewalls tier list Nocture is a good jungler.
http://rog.clgaming.net/tier-lists/46-jungle/latest
But maybe there usually are other junglers to pick first.
SouthernDragon
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He's good, just a little fragile at the start.
This was poseted sometime back and I have tested it and I have to say I really like it. I like the more clean ui style.
http://leaguecraft.com/uimods/56-perb-ui-0-37.xhtml
not going back to the original if I don't have to
Oh man, having your teammates next to the minimap is BRILLIANT
Sadly there are alot better picks than nocturne.
HOWEVER.... there's nothing better than scaring the entire map when you press R.
Also hope that the supposed olaf buffs change his Q to scale well with bonus ad or he is going to stay useless and unviable.
And it's nice to get rid of the unessesery boarders.
SouthernDragon
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Hey, Ferga!
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