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[slidewinder]

You guys know of any prominent AP mid specialist streamers? OceloteWorld I think is one popular one, just looking for other names to pick out of stream lists.

 

[Blu10]

They're mines. Step over them they go boom, do a good deal of damage and slow.

Yes but the minions set them off too, and other than leading someone right to them, I only found a use for placing them in bushes and in jungles, and then I'm not normally around to capitalize on them.

 

[Ferrio]

Yes but the minions set them off too, and other than leading someone right to them, I only found a use for placing them in bushes and in jungles, and then I'm not normally around to capitalize on them.

That's the point. You place them in paths that players will traverse when running away/invading your jungle. So when team fights break out and they try to run away they'll step across one. Only time you actively use them in fights is when you kite someone and throw them down behind you as they chase.

 

[Kyoufu]

Any build recommendations for Talon on Dominion? Should I rush Infinity Edge?

 

[Haly]

I like Brutalizer -> Sanguine.

Then again, that's my go-to build for 90% of AD champs on Dom.

 

[Blizzard]

Yes but the minions set them off too, and other than leading someone right to them, I only found a use for placing them in bushes and in jungles, and then I'm not normally around to capitalize on them.

Using them as mini-wards is very useful since they last for 10 minutes (unlike normal wards which are like 3 minutes). Typically you will put them at minimum in the bushes next to your lane, and if you have mushrooms in all bushes you should have a great chance of avoiding any incoming ganks. Putting a mushroom in the entrance to baron and dragon is very helpful to your team. Putting mushrooms in all jungle bushes (as long as you are in the area and it is safe) and on the little ramps into the river is a good idea. Try not to ever have 3 mushrooms just sitting ready to place, always drop one somewhere if you're full so it will start charging another one.

Also, if anyone chases you then you can run through mushrooms and they will take damage if they are dumb enough to follow.

Try not to lead minions into your mushrooms.

Going AP Teemo can produce mushrooms with massive damage, but if people take oracles and start cleaning them out, it may not be very useful, so I recommend building attack speed, on-hit stuff, and damage instead of AP.

One thing that I was not aware of was that if someone hits two of your mushrooms at once, supposedly they will only take the damage over time from one of them. Assuming that's true, don't stack them, space them out a little if you are placing multiple mushrooms in one place.

Another defensive thing you can do is put a mushroom next to or behind your tower, so if someone tries to tower dive you and chase you in a circle around your tower, they should take damage from the mushroom and extra damage from the tower as they are slowed.

 

[perryfarrell]

You guys know of any prominent AP mid specialist streamers? OceloteWorld I think is one popular one, just looking for other names to pick out of stream lists.

Check out LoCicero, he's good. Also good taste in music.

 

[Blu10]

Going AP Teemo can produce mushrooms with massive damage, but if people take oracles and start cleaning them out, it may not be very useful, so I recommend building attack speed, on-hit stuff, and damage instead of AP.

With no real idea how to play him, and only playing for about a month myself I have been following this build, which I think is what you are suggesting, since in my first two games with him without this build I went like 6/15/9, and the one game after that I went 9/4/11

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/get-me-teemo-over-here-with-a-blowgun-82617

 

[Ferrio]

With no real idea how to play him, and only playing for about a month myself I have been following this build, which I think is what you are suggesting, since in my first two games with him without this build I went like 6/15/9, and the one game after that I went 9/4/11

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/get-me-teemo-over-here-with-a-blowgun-82617

Looks like a solid build, don't understand the defensive masteries though. Also solomid usually is considered the better site for builds.

 

[dimb]

With no real idea how to play him, and only playing for about a month myself I have been following this build, which I think is what you are suggesting, since in my first two games with him without this build I went like 6/15/9, and the one game after that I went 9/4/11

http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/get-me-teemo-over-here-with-a-blowgun-82617

The Madred's seems like overkill.

 

[Ferga]

New jax:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/jax-remastered

so instead of dodge, his E will let him be invincible to auto attacks for a short time then stun/damage everyone around him. I like it! Jax players will now have to time the invincible state correctly or he'll be focused to death.

He might turn into another trynd though if people get the timing perfectly :|

I think frozen mallet should be bought before madreds (not really necessary to be honest)

 

[Ferrio]

The Madred's seems like overkill.

A situational item for sure, but works well with teemo.

Ugh that new jax skill sounds OP. Any damage negating skill in this game is massively massively powerful. Look at morgana for example.

 

[Ferga]

Hopefully it's only 2-3 seconds of invincibility. I think spells can hurt him too though.

 

[dimb]

Champs have gotta be OP to compete. Jax got nerfed so hard that they'll have to do a lot to make it up. Seems like he could turn out alright.

 

[Blizzard]

Looks like a solid build, don't understand the defensive masteries though. Also solomid usually is considered the better site for builds.

From the guide he linked:

The reason I prefer to dive in to the defensive masteries is very simple: Teemo is neither a tank, nor a tanky dps. He is a dps (plain). That deals (heavy) damage. Enemies are aware of this fact. That's why it's nearly guaranteed that they will hunt you down in a team fight. Apart from that fact, early game you are squishy. A lot. And you need to cover the above points somehow. Plus I could not find anything better in the other trees. I mean, you can get the cd reduction and 15% magic penetration in offense, but save this there's nothing else to help you there. Arpen? Raw attack damage? But I deal magic damage. More crit damage? But I rarely (if ever) crit. Utility is even more meh. More experience would be good, but neither the extra gold nor the mana per 5 are worth the investment. And you will not need extra movement speed, as you already have more than 450 at level 18. Nothing more to say.

Solomid may be nice if you can find a recently updated guide.

I might have to try it. I haven't really tried a tanky build since I usually get bloodthirster and attack speed boots. I really like lifesteal if you ever get caught 1v1, especially since Teemo should be able to charge it up really easily.

 

[Ferga]

* Tier 1: Kennen, Rumble, Skarner, Morgana, Ahri, Graves, Ryze, Xerath, Karthus, Caitlyn, Galio, Gragas, Tristana, Kog'Maw, Lee Sin, Cassiopeia, Janna, Sona, Vayne, Yorick, Soraka, Maokai, Udyr, Irelia, Zilean,

* Tier 2: Riven, Jarvan IV, Gangplank, Nidalee, Twisted Fate, Shaco, Leblanc, Cho’Gath, Sivir, Tryndamere, Alistar, Anivia, Corki, Rammus, Nasus, Amumu, Nocturne, Kassadin, Ashe, Trundle, Wukong, Ezreal, Annie,

* Tier 3: Veigar, Brand, Akali, Renekton, Urgot, Pantheon, Swain, Heimerdinger, Singed, Orianna, Miss Fortune, Taric, Jax, Mal'zahar, Talon,

* Tier 4: Olaf, Lux, Blitzcrank, Leona, Shen, Vladimir,Warwick, Xin Zhao, Teemo, Sion, Garen, Kayle, Shyvana, Poppy,

* Tier 5: Malphite, Nunu, Fizz, Yi, Volibear, Fiddlesticks,

* Hard to place on a team: Twitch, Mundo, Karma, Katarina, Eve, Mordekaiser

Latest tier list from CLG

 

[dimb]

Maybe some people will see that and play Rumble.

 

[Wolf Akela]

Ashe is high up there, really? She doesn't feel like a great AD carry. No escape, any gap closer should be able to melt her and she doesn't have a wealth of offense skills.

 

[Blu10]

Looks like a solid build, don't understand the defensive masteries though. Also solomid usually is considered the better site for builds.

Never head of the site I'll check it out, thanks

 

[Kyoufu]

Ashe is high up there, really? She doesn't feel like a great AD carry. No escape, any gap closer should be able to melt her and she doesn't have a wealth of offense skills.

That list is for high elo players. Ashe is amazing in a team that communicates with each other. Watch the Dreamhack games!

 

[Inskipp]

Ashe is high up there, really? She doesn't feel like a great AD carry. No escape, any gap closer should be able to melt her and she doesn't have a wealth of offense skills.

Her kiting/poking is super- potent. Also, dat ult.

Watch the Dreamhack games!

Indeed, Ashe was one of the most popular carries back in Season 1, when her ult was more spammable.

Then they increased the CD on her ult, and people played her less.

 

[dimb]

Ashe is high up there, really? She doesn't feel like a great AD carry. No escape, any gap closer should be able to melt her and she doesn't have a wealth of offense skills.

She is still below every other AD carry except Urgot, Ezreal, and Miss Fortune. Relatively speaking, she isn't high on the list when there are like 5 other champs who could fill her role and do a better job.

 

[Flare]

Also her passive is terrible for a champ that needs to be constantly attacking/last hitting and kiting.

 

[Kyoufu]

She is still below every other AD carry except Urgot, Ezreal, and Miss Fortune. Relatively speaking, she isn't high on the list when there are like 5 other champs who could fill her role and do a better job.

Not many champs have a cross-map AoE stun.

 

[dimb]

Not many champs have a cross-map AoE stun.

It's pretty meaningless when it can easily be avoided, and the longer the distance gets the easier it is to avoid and the harder it is to hit. You might as well just roll a dice to determine your usefulness if you are trying to land crossmap arrows.

 

[Kyoufu]

It's pretty meaningless when it can easily be avoided, and the longer the distance gets the easier it is to avoid and the harder it is to hit. You might as well just roll a dice to determine your usefulness if you are trying to land crossmap arrows.

You need to watch the Dreamhack games too.

 

[dimb]

You need to watch the Dreamhack games too.

I saw them. It's 2012 and that stuff doesn't fly anymore.

 

[Blizzard]

I saw them. It's 2012 and that stuff doesn't fly anymore.

So you're saying Ashe arrows don't fly anymore? Get it, FLY anymore? Arrows, fly???

I'll let myself out.

 

[Inskipp]

You need to watch the Dreamhack games too.

You should consider the fact that the CD on Ashe's ult back then was a lot shorter, and much more spammable. You could spam that thing every minute, right from level 6. It was much more forgiving back in the day.

Then she got nerfed.

She can still fill in some niches, but with the recent additions of steroid- carries with escape mechanisms, she's fallen out of her old graces.

 

[FutureZombie]

I should make a tiered list of champs for low ELO non-ranked playing noobs such as myself. In fact, I will right now!


* Tier 1: Tryndamere, Rammus, Akali, Kassadin, Skarner, Morgana, Ahri, Graves, Karthus, Caitlyn, Galio, Vayne, Soraka, Wukong, Nasus

* Tier 2: Riven, Gangplank, Udyr, Irelia, Shaco, Leblanc, Cho’Gath, Sivir, Amumu, Nocturne, Sona, Maokai, Twitch, Garen, Yi, Fiddlesticks, Lee Sin, Blitzcrank, Xerath, Malphite, Singed, Kennen, Talon, Nidalee

* Tier 3: Veigar, Brand, Renekton, Swain, Jax, Mal'zahar, Ezreal, Annie, Yorick, Katarina, Mordekaiser, Jarvan IV, Lux, Alistar, Tristana, Kog'Maw, Cassiopeia, Janna, Corki, Sion, Gragas, Fizz, Trundle, Rumble, Leona, Volibear, Kayle

* Tier 4: Olaf, Vladimir, Xin Zhao, Teemo, Shyvana, Poppy, Pantheon, Anivia, Miss Fortune, Zilean, Ryze, Mundo, Karma, Urgot, Ashe, Heimerdinger, Nunu, Shen

* Tier 5: Taric, Warwick, Eve, Orianna, Twisted Fate


Tier one champs own noob games and change the game. Tier two can either carry hard or dominate at one point in the game. Tier three champs are harder to play, but can do very well or be super annoying. Tier four champs are too hard to play well consistently. Tier five champs have little impact on the game.

 

[slidewinder]

Check out LoCicero, he's good. Also good taste in music.

Cool, thanks.

I should make a tiered list of champs for low ELO non-ranked playing noobs such as myself. In fact, I will right now!

...

* Tier 4: Olaf, Vladimir, Xin Zhao, Teemo, Shyvana, Poppy, Pantheon, Anivia, Miss Fortune, Zilean, Ryze, Mundo, Karma, Urgot, Ashe, Heimerdinger, Nunu, Shen

Tier one champs own noob games and change the game. Tier two can either carry hard or dominate at one point in the game. Tier three champs are harder to play, but can do very well or be super annoying. Tier four champs are too hard to play well consistently. Tier five champs have little impact on the game.

Ryze is quite straight-forward and can pretty much carry low ELO normal games.

 

[FutureZombie]

Cool, thanks.



Ryze is quite straight-forward and can pretty much carry low ELO normal games.

You're not playing low enough ELO!

 

[VALKYRAY]

soraka can't carry. no support can single handedly carry entire team. unless you are building them the wrong way.

 

[Ferrio]

Tier one champs own noob games and change the game. Tier two can either carry hard or dominate at one point in the game. Tier three champs are harder to play, but can do very well or be super annoying. Tier four champs are too hard to play well consistently. Tier five champs have little impact on the game.

Shaco should be tier 1. He destroys low elo.

 

[FutureZombie]

soraka can't carry. no support can single handedly carry entire team. unless you are building them the wrong way.

AP battle Soraka is very strong in noob games.

Shaco should be tier 1. He destroys low elo.

The only issue is that many Shacos are god awful and end up being 4 levels behind the entire team.

 

[kiunchbb]

* Tier 1: Kennen, Rumble, Skarner, Morgana, Ahri, Graves, Ryze, Xerath, Karthus, Caitlyn, Galio, Gragas, Tristana, Kog'Maw, Lee Sin, Cassiopeia, Janna, Sona, Vayne, Yorick, Soraka, Maokai, Udyr, Irelia, Zilean,

* Tier 2: Riven, Jarvan IV, Gangplank, Nidalee, Twisted Fate, Shaco, Leblanc, Cho’Gath, Sivir, Tryndamere, Alistar, Anivia, Corki, Rammus, Nasus, Amumu, Nocturne, Kassadin, Ashe, Trundle, Wukong, Ezreal, Annie,

* Tier 3: Veigar, Brand, Akali, Renekton, Urgot, Pantheon,Swain, Heimerdinger, Singed, Orianna, Miss Fortune, Taric, Jax, Mal'zahar, Talon,

* Tier 4: Olaf, Lux, Blitzcrank, Leona, Shen, Vladimir,Warwick, Xin Zhao, Teemo, Sion, Garen, Kayle, Shyvana, Poppy,

* Tier 5: Malphite, Nunu, Fizz, Yi, Volibear, Fiddlesticks,

* Hard to place on a team: Twitch, Mundo, Karma, Katarina, Eve, Mordekaiser

Latest tier list from CLG

Holy shit most of the champion I play recently (except Kat) are tier 1, I am such a tier whore. Wait.... Riven is Tier 2? We can stop banning Ferrio's Riven now.

 

[Jazzy Network]

I think we were down something like 4-12 in the beginning where Ahri got fed 9-1. Then we just wrecked them from there. Too much AOE. Amazing comeback.

 

[Ferga]

After those nidalee games, i'm surprised she is only considered tier 2

 

[IsayFever]

I did awful that game, but we came back hard and dominated.

 

[SouthernDragon]

And that's why you don't adopt a defeatist attitude and surrender at 20.

Those comebacks!

 

[John]

I'm starting to jungle pretty regularly. What do you do against teams that actually use wards?

 

[Jazzy Network]

I'm starting to jungle pretty regularly. What do you do against teams that actually use wards?

Pink wards or your support gets an oracle early. And lane ganking.

 

[Ferga]

I'm starting to jungle pretty regularly. What do you do against teams that actually use wards?

you can also go through their jungle to gank through the tribush. Risky business though since you have to know where the opposing jungler is by estimation or clairvoyance

 

[brian!]

outfarm my lane by 4.8k? NO PROBLEM

Holy shit most of the champion I play recently (except Kat) are tier 1, I am such a tier whore. Wait.... Riven is Tier 2? We can stop banning Ferrio's Riven now.

His tier is basically just champs he sees a lot at his elo, shit changes all the time even without significant patch changes

 

[SouthernDragon]

I just realized I was kicked out of naGAF. I suppose I'll try out for the team again. :<

 

[bjaelke]

I like the Jax rework. The fact that he no longer requires a dedicated rune page is really essential to me. If only they'd fix Ryze, then it'd be perfect. I only have 5 pages right now, so I have to arrange those pages beforehand if I feel like playing them.

 

[Sampler II]

I just realized I was kicked out of naGAF. I suppose I'll try out for the team again. :<

Good games tonight. I appreciate all the coaching.

 

[Feature]

Ahri is such an easy hero to play. Her abilities hardly cost mana, her spell vamp is enormous, and that true damage orb just deals way to much damage endgame.

 

[Ferga]

Ahri is such an easy hero to play. Her abilities hardly cost mana, her spell vamp is enormous, and that true damage orb just deals way to much damage endgame.

Can't agree with that sadly. Went 8 or 9 kills to 0 deaths in my first ahri game then proceeded to lose because she can't carry end game.

Ended with a score of 17/4 i think

 

[Mxrz]

Played with a lv 14 friend tonight, who's still kind of new'ish and ouch. Matchmaking was not kind to us for 3 out of 4 games. So many intentional feeders/trolls. I wish TTL wasn't so nuts on the balance front.

Did get to play LeBlanc some, and I'm tempted to just start insta-locking her full time. Even if I can't have mid. Bursting down everyone is just a great feeling. Maybe not so much if anyone ever builds MR, but that seems rare enough where I'm at.

- Didn't realize how bad my CS were until I played with Gaf. Need to work on that.