How are you building him, straight AP?
edit: My go to so far has been Deathcap then Morello's
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How are you building him, straight AP?
edit: My go to so far has been Deathcap then Morello's
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So I like playing Master Yi, but I feel like at this stage of the LoL game he's outclassed by so many other champs. Plus he has no utility in mid/late game team fights that adds to the team as a whole. This is not to say he's bad. With the right build and a ton of attack speed he can pretty much rip through a lot of characters 1 on 1 late game. This especially goes for if he has his ulty.
His gets countered easy though, has nothing to bring to a team fight, and while he's fast he lacks a great initiator move. I feel like it's not his stats that needs tweaking, but just his general style/abilities. I know a good start would be not losing the ad boost when your E runs out.
His gets countered easy though, has nothing to bring to a team fight, and while he's fast he lacks a great initiator move. I feel like it's not his stats that needs tweaking, but just his general style/abilities. I know a good start would be not losing the ad boost when your E runs out.
Morello's would probably help your early game more than a Deathcap. You should consider building it first.
I would love to see him get changed up some. The thing that bugs me most about him is his heal. It doesn't fit his style at all (which is to be highly mobile as a champion). In general, he is just a very passive champion when it comes to ability use.
Yep, makes sense. That's what I had been doing but I wanted to try rushing deathcap a couple games. I like morello's for him though.
Fizz is definitely fun. If you're up against an AP mid as him, you have to be very aggressive and put out a lot of damage, intimidating them to fall back. Karthus, for example. Just be careful because he has burst, but little sustained damage, so you have to hit and run, hit and run.
I haven't played him much for a while, but I don't think there's much you can do against AD ranged mids.. unless you have a great jungler that ganks frequently.
I like him in bot if you have someone who can support you, usually a ranged damage champ. If you have another melee, you get pushed back and harassed very easily.
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His heal is hella lame because it doesn't heal for that much, and I don't think it scales that well into mid and late game. People do to much damage that late game you can heal up using your W, and that might make you last a second longer. Plus the heal can be interrupted. Love to see them make the heal uninterruptable, and then have it scale a little bit better late game.
Can't make it heal to much at the start or it could be OP early game.
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In terms of AD... I think he's the strongest AD melee character in the game still...
he's one of the strongest top lanes in the game too
just tone his early game down and i'd be fine with him. the way he currently is, is simply too much
as someone who's played jax against wukong several times today, that is complete fucking bullshit
wukong shits on jax for free up until lvl 7
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He's still better than rebuffed Jax. As for someone like Gangplank well Gang's ranged and not melee so it's slightly different. I won't disagree though to a degree. Biggest thing though is I think the current game setup and meta just isn't friendly to melee especially in early game in lane.
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In general I'd say just remove support bot to fix things.
Maybe you're just bad. Jax is great against other AD melee champs top right now. His Counter-Strike makes trades very favorable, and he can trade and farm well. Jax's issue is that he's terrible against AP type champions more than ever now.
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hmmm
how about no
how about no
His dodge/stun has a 17 second CD and Jax has to sit around with a finger up his fucking ass waiting for it come back and it's also pretty easy to dodge because he can't cancel it as soon as he casts it. Thus, you see the bubble = move back and get out of leap range and then continue to passive farm. Jax only counters AD melee champs top when they let him get to lvl 6 and get strong enough to 1v1.
maybe you should play against people who aren't bloody retards and know how to fight jax
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So, Rumble or Wukong? I've hit the IP goal I was shooting for.
I don't get what you're talking about. Who would cast Counter-Strike before leaping in? You are getting two free seconds of free damage on people followed by the stun for an extra second. You can practically leap out to avoid damage if you have to with the way the timers work. Against a champion like Wukong who relies heavily on an on-hit attack that you can dodge you can really work people over as Jax. Wukong also doesn't have enough mana to consistently harass in a way that can push Jax out of the wave and prevent him from building his attack speed buff up on minions.
Hitting level six isn't even that beneficial to Jax. It obviously helps but it doesn't suddenly turn him into some god character. And how would someone prevent him from hitting level six? You shouldn't even be playing top lane if you can't farm under your tower.
Wukong. More viable.
What? Rumble is one of the strongest top lane champions in the game. He also has a higher skill cap so he'll last longer!
its not about who is more viable
its about who is more fun to play
which is entirely subjective and should be up to the person to try them out in free weeks
Rumble can do about 3k damage late game in 5seconds using flames splitter only. Noone knows how to use rumble though outside of laning. Quoted by double lift
Nobody stands there and hits you for two seconds.
Nice chunk of mana wasted if they're smart enough to simply not fight you when you put up stun. Again, people who don't suck at this damn game will not stand there AAing you while you have the bubble up (or not backing off so they won't get stunned)
Wukong has MORE than enough mana to kick the fuck out of Jax if he wants to kill minions anywhere outside of tower...or even at tower. It's simply DO NOT ENGAGE.
also wukong Q (40 mana)
jax E (65 mana)
wukong has about 50 less mana but a tiny bit of more mana regen
lol
By killing him and getting higher level. It's not hard whatsoever. I guess you're stuck in the mindset of "never fight just farm tower" Yeah, I can do that. Anybody can do that. But that gameplan dies when they're smart enough to bring potion and constantly trade with you when you want to last hit.
Renekton works over Jax like a prison inmate.
Garen is Garen.
Wukong is Garen only replace silence with an armor shredding Q that leaves you crying if you didn't take cloth armor.
Yes, I've beaten people who've played these characters as Jax before. Why? Because they goddamn sucked. People who are actually good at these characters will rock Jax's world. I do kick the shit out of anyone who plays any other character, but when they go AP top I just jungle.
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Ever since they nerfed Deadliness to hell. I'm thinking of running 4 crit marks to get the same effect on my AD carry page. Good idea? Bad idea? Using 9 armor pen marks atm.
I think the armor pen is more important than the crits.
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So... it sounds like I'd fit into Wukong's style better since I play Garen, but Rumble is superior in team fights but harder to play?
I mean, how does one play Rumble anyway?
I mean, how does one play Rumble anyway?
I think Rumble has a mechanic where he does more damage the more often he combos/attacks, something like that.
Speaking from my personal experiences (from the free weeks) that I've played Rumble he seemed a all-round spammy hero, but due to Overheat mechanism you gotta be a bit more careful. His spells are, to me, really boring and as a champion he wasn't for me at all. Mainly due to spamminess and weird/cookie cutter spells like Electro-harpoon and random shield.
But if you feel like running into midst of chaos and spamming buttons he certainly fills that role. I guess you should build him tanky anyway. Bland, is my verdict.
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Rumble's Q damage is hard to maximise and his ult is incredibly fight changing but can easily be placed in the wrong place (I dont mean mechanically, I mean you chose to put it in the wrong location). You also need to think about when you overheat yourself since it silences you for a long time but gives you a huge damage buff.
Hence, hard to play.
Hence, hard to play.
take garen
right
you still followin
and then give him great ad scaling and an ult that disrupts the entire enemy team
SouthernDragon
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I am going to supposed that I do NOT slap an IE onto Wukong.
Would I go TF then?
Would I go TF then?
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Sounds like Wukong it is.
On a random note, I'm trying out this build in Dominion with Xin Zhao. Feels viable:
Boots ->
Ionian Spark
Zeke's Herald
Sanguine Blade
Frozen Mallet
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Lightbringer or any AS item
Gives him survivability, sustain, and damage. I usually sell Herald for something else at the end of it.
On a random note, I'm trying out this build in Dominion with Xin Zhao. Feels viable:
Boots ->
Ionian Spark
Zeke's Herald
Sanguine Blade
Frozen Mallet
---
Lightbringer or any AS item
Gives him survivability, sustain, and damage. I usually sell Herald for something else at the end of it.
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Wukong got buffed a month or two ago? He's been really strong ever since.
Feeding him doesnt help, but a early shut down Wukong's only use is a great disruption ultimate. After that he cant do a thing.
But give him a kill for a longsword or two and he snowballs hard.
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If some other strong champs get nerfs like Skarner, GP, and Kennen, who can all easily top lane, he could very likely switch into the OP/auto ban category. There was a bit there where I was certain he was going to become flavor of the month, but it turned out to be Skarner instead. He is still really strong and viable. He needs to have a strong early game though to fully carry into late game. His ult is some nice cc, and his other abilities all have good uses, and he has a bit of versatility in roles. So he definitely is just a step away from OP.
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