ElectraStar
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I LOVE YOU TOO ACHTIUS
XD Have you tried her since the patches and whatnot? She might be okay now.
Let's compare with Karthus. If both champions have 500 AP and use their ults as soon as they come off cooldown at level 18 (3 times for Karthus, 4 times for Ziggs, ignoring whether either of them have CDR), Ziggs will do 2850 total damage to people in the outside circle of the ult, and Karthus will do an essentially guaranteed 2550 total damage to everyone on the map. Ziggs will do even more damage if he hits people with the inner circle of the ult, but I suspect Karthus will in general do more total damage since he can't miss and will hit the entire team, plus he can initiate fights, killing him does no good unless everyone leaves the vicinity, killing him can't stop his ult, he can deal damage while using the hourglass, and he has a large wall slow (larger than the Ziggs minefield) that can shred magic resist and armor.
Factor into that what I mentioned about the travel time and flight angle angle being varied (I don't know if the bomb icon shows up on the enemy minimap, by the way), and that anyone who's not hard CC'd SHOULD be able to walk out of the inner circle of Ziggs' ult at minimum. Hitting enemies with the inner circle at max range would be almost akin to hitting Ashe's arrow across the map in my opinion. If you use other strong champions to produce ult combos, like Jarvan's trap or Amumu's ult or Galio's taunt, then sure you can hit it, but you could already do AOE ult combos with other champions. Maybe Ziggs would be best in an AOE CC ult combo team.
I hate those games where one lane completely dominates the other and it essentially decides the game. Yi vs Gragas should never be a problem (even at the lower levels), but this YI seriously snowballed and became an unstoppable force. It doesn't make it any better that Gragas would start each fight by using ignite and thus give YI full healing during his meditation. I ended up getting a bit frustrated at the end. Was 9/2 on Mundo (!) and then the game collapsed...
ElectraStar
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Karthus too stronk
You're such a trollstar, after I spent all that effort looking up numbers for you. ;<
ElectraStar
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Trollstar too stronk
Use it as long as you have mana to spare (usually with blue buff or later game). You get a small heal for hitting every target you've marked with Fracture, and if you kill mobs with it that'll proc the heal too.
No, it costs way too much mana. I could see snagging it before the Q nerfs to get a bit more life back but not now. Only use it in fights to maximize your damage, otherwise you'll run out of mana quick. I don't even pick it up until level 11.
SouthernDragon
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You need it, Uchip. What'll happen if something happens to you? Consider the consequences.
P.S. After an epic first showing as Wukong, I got overconfident and fucked up the next two games. Sorry fellas.
I think one point is worth it. The extra range on it can pick up kills sometimes. I think it's a good investment at level two for early farm with blue too.
EclipseGST
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I take this is a shot at my awesome garen gameplay......
. Appreciate the tips though.Oh its me bwlzero
SouthernDragon
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I take this is a shot at my awesome garen gameplay......
Oh its me bwlzero
Dude, it's cool. I was also referencing myself, since I was (and am) learning Wukong. You lost one dominion game, I just lost two classic games. Learning new champs is rough.
IsayFever
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Dude, it's cool. I was also referencing myself, since I was (and am) learning Wukong. You lost one dominion game, I just lost two classic games. Learning new champs is rough.
Patience padawan, patience
XeroSauce
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Dubbedinenglish
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Maxing Raise Morale, like Nunu with blood boil....Except GP's buff is nowhere near as good now.
GAF I'm thinking about Olaf for a solo top, what say ye on him. I've tried a few bot matches and did well but how is he PvP, any heavy counters?
XeroSauce
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That sounds awful.
Olaf does real good solo top. People underestimate his damage, myself included.
Counters: Akali, Kennen, probably Yorick, anything ranged that won't constantly take true damage. Maybe Renekton?
Like, how do they do it? It used to be passable when Raise Morale was actually good. He could ult and E and provide his slow. Now he's pretty worthless as a support because they nerfed his slow and E.
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Holy snap! AP Master Yi Domination? Dat build! It looks like a trollolol build. Then you look @ his k/d/a ratio. W0W!
SouthernDragon
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Raise Morale is great... in team fights. Gargantuan AoE, buffing everyone in its range.
For a duo? Questionable.
For a duo? Questionable.
SouthernDragon
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Nice!
Wolf Akela
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Lich Bane AP Master Yi? lol... I think Dunkmaster Yi would be more practical than that.
Fuck you Archie.
Jazzy Network
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Yo me and star gonna hit up the NYC-Gaf meeting on the 18th at 8 o clock. Anyone else from the NYC area wanna come lemme know so we can work a meeting before we actually get there and ride in lolgaf style.
XeroSauce
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Every game I've played had a Ziggs in it. I'm surprised you got to play him at all.
SouthernDragon
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Cannot make it to the NYC-GAF... gah
What? You lost me.
HSGG taking over the fucking world
Inskipp
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How is everything else meh? His mines can deal 1000+ damage (not exaggerating) to a single target, his W is a multi-purpose disrupt/escape tool (perfect for essentially separating yourself from closing melee opponents), and his ult is an 0.9 ratio, 750- unit wide AoE nuke. (for reference, Amumu ult is 600 units wide)
Oh and it has a casting range of 5300.
What exactly of the above is 'meh'?
SouthernDragon
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Yeah...
Inskipp
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What kind of gameplay- style do you enjoy? We can perhaps assist you on picking something that would suit your description.
I suggest the tutorials. Try each of the champs provided to give you a good feel for what kind of champ you are most comfortable with.
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Everyone is like that at 1st. I know everyone thinks they are nubbish now, but the AI bots are a good way to start if you've never played the genre. Don't even really bother to PVP until you understand the game in general. Just roll custom games verses the AI and then que for CO-OP verses AI at the beginner level.
When you've never played the genre sadly you're just going to die a lot. I'd imagine we all did if we think back on things.
Played some Dom for the first time in a while. In one game, Trynd goes bot, loses to Pantheon. Okay, that's understandable, but then he kept dying, so I take a look at his items:
Zerkers, Scepter, Scepter, Scepter, Zeal
When I asked him why no damage he said "this is how you do Tryn bot".
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Zerkers, Scepter, Scepter, Scepter, Zeal
When I asked him why no damage he said "this is how you do Tryn bot".
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dave is ok
aztek is ok
Theres some good free champions for new people this week. Give Annie, Teemo or Sona a shot
I commented on this in detail on the previous page:
Blizzard said:
Blizzard said:Maybe I'm biased because I've been playing him, but if he is actually nerfed I strongly feel he will be practically useless, even less common than Orianna. The only thing truly strong is his ult, with the comparable damage to Tibbers or Gragas (or Xerath triple combo?)...but without the CC of any of those. I believe someone mentioned that his combined AP ratios if he hit everything in a combo are what, 2.5 to 3.0 (worse than Orianna)? That, plus he should get murdered by CC and silence unless he has blue and the skill to hit long-range bouncing Q's often enough without the enemy absorbing or healing them off.
If someone has magical tips to become OP Ziggs I welcome them, but otherwise I wait to be proven wrong.
Have you been playing him a lot? I've actually been leveling the minefield early and ignoring Riot's advice, and yes in THEORY it should be able to do a lot of damage, but that's if the enemy champion goes through it. If you don't land it precisely on top of an enemy, they're only going to be on top of maybe two mines on the outside, right? And your comment about the AP ratio and width of Ziggs' ult isn't really accurate since that's ONLY the middle part of the ult (with a radius of about 250 units). Lastly, the flight time and angle depends on how far away you are from the target, no? So if someone sees the icon (if that's possible) or sees the circle, they should at minimum be able to dodge the inner circle damage unless you're close and they're distracted by a teamfight.
The single biggest issue in my opinion is the lack of a stun or silence. Compared to his slow and knockaway, Kassadin, Xerath, Cass, Annie, Sion, Morgana, and Malzahar all have one or more silences/stuns if Ziggs wants to get in range to trade. I don't see any good options besides trying to poke (which means you'll need heavy heavy mana regen/blue), hope your lane isn't pushed too quickly for you to farm (unless you use abilities, which means you need mana regen/blue), and trying to zone (remember each minefield will also run you a nice 100 mana or so) so the enemy mid doesn't just stun and nuke you.
On another note, do the regular people still play? I don't see many of the old regulars like Kiunch and Electrastar playing much, and I just want a PVP win for a change. ;_;
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