lissandra is kinda nice when you want to zyra mid but they pick leblanc or something equally horrifying before your turn to pick.in order of mah skillz-> Supp/mid, ADC, jungle, top.
I don't think i'v ever played those champs once, either.
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Good thresh discussion.
just from a theorycrafting standpoint, I'd lean more toward flat AD being more effective for a couple reasons:
We're looking at 5 armor pen vs 4 AD. Thresh has 46 base AD + 4 AD from marks. Most people will have around 30 armor yes?
100/100+30 = 77% damage applied with no armor pen. 100/100+25 = 80% damage applied with 5 armor pen.
So that base 50 AD attack will do 40 damage with 4 AD marks and 4 armor pen marks
A page with 8 AD marks will do 54*.77 = 41.58 damage.
Then there's the AD scaling on his E. At level 1 it does up to 80% AD in magic damage. So with the split page that's 40 bonus damage with no souls (before MR). The AD page will do 43.2 damage with no souls (before MR)
So I'm too lazy to do the MR calc but you're basically looking at:
4 AD/4 armor pen = 80 damage per max charge hit at level 1
8 AD marks = ~85 damage per max charge hit at level 1
Armor pen will have more impact as the game goes on, but given that Thresh doesn't build any additional AD or armor pen, that value for THRESH himself seems minimal.
just from a theorycrafting standpoint, I'd lean more toward flat AD being more effective for a couple reasons:
We're looking at 5 armor pen vs 4 AD. Thresh has 46 base AD + 4 AD from marks. Most people will have around 30 armor yes?
100/100+30 = 77% damage applied with no armor pen. 100/100+25 = 80% damage applied with 5 armor pen.
So that base 50 AD attack will do 40 damage with 4 AD marks and 4 armor pen marks
A page with 8 AD marks will do 54*.77 = 41.58 damage.
Then there's the AD scaling on his E. At level 1 it does up to 80% AD in magic damage. So with the split page that's 40 bonus damage with no souls (before MR). The AD page will do 43.2 damage with no souls (before MR)
So I'm too lazy to do the MR calc but you're basically looking at:
4 AD/4 armor pen = 80 damage per max charge hit at level 1
8 AD marks = ~85 damage per max charge hit at level 1
Armor pen will have more impact as the game goes on, but given that Thresh doesn't build any additional AD or armor pen, that value for THRESH himself seems minimal.
I'll try a mix of AD/hybrid pens. Some pros run full hybrid pen marks (no ad). I feel you guys underestimate what armor pen can do in lvl 1-5. It's all about the early lane dominance. I'm too lazy to get the numbers, though.
Edit: Garath to the rescue. Nice, thanks for this. I was wrong. I'll look into a couple of different builds and test them out.
you could buy skarner, and embrace the true fun that is being the jungler.
in order of mah skillz-> Supp/mid, ADC, jungle, top.
I don't think i'v ever played those champs once, either.
LeBlanc and join the hype.
Stone Ocean
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I feel the opposite lol
People overestimate flat armor pen. Early game wise, you'll get a 5-ish % increase in damage if you get a ton of armor pen. The problem is that when you increase something that is hitting for around 70 damage in early game you'll get what, 3 more damage after reductions? Naturally that changes as the game goes on and your damage increases overall, making that 5% far more valuable, but early on unless you're doing % damage or using pretty much exclusively your physical skills, the extra AD on your autos and skill ratios will always be better.
It's just not a good stat unless you're a bruiser doing bruisery things or one of the 4 AD assassins in the game.
I don't think this is all that true, some adcs are a lot stronger than others right now. And in competitive play it really shows, I remember the first few weeks of lcs it was literally all jinx/lucian/sivir with a like maybe 1 or two others very occasionally.
Stone Ocean
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What's mid Lulu current build order?
CDR item into Lich Bane, straight Lich Bane, Deathcap into other things or what?
CDR item into Lich Bane, straight Lich Bane, Deathcap into other things or what?
Terbinator
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Not tried Midlu myself, but I imagine straight rush for Sheen into LB is fine?
Happens to me as well. Any rune changes after the "bong" sound or whatever is lost (I was also falsely reassured in lolking I had the right set of runes, until game started).
Stone Ocean
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As long as the green tick appears after you change runes in champ select you should be fine I think
Kenny Blankenship
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How exacty do I play against LeBlanc, in like 2seconds she can take morethen half your life and get back to safety, can never do well against her. Thinking about trying morgana into her, cause when she hits you with the first mark most likely she gonna come back in so pop blackshield then root her. Any tips wud help
I'm way out of the loop on current meta, but pushing the lane hardcore against her use to fuck her up.
in order of mah skillz-> Supp/mid, ADC, jungle, top.
I don't think i'v ever played those champs once, either.
Akali is strong in my opinion and can go mid or top.
Terbinator
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You playing Thresh? :^)
In other news, now 6/7 since reverting back to the waifu.
I think I may pick up Akali, actually. Don't really need any other ADCs when i've Draven. At least Akali can cover mid and *shudder* top should I be forced there.
I think that's not the thing anymore. Im no lb player, but I think the new thing to do is to max w now.
Ya figured as much but hey only thing I could think of.
bully the hell out of her before she hits 6. It work for me yesterday when I was playing against lb wit viktor. lol she was like 3 levels behind me.
Legato.Reborn-
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Be careful about picking up Akali, she is difficult to master.
she gets stomped in lane
I have to imagine jungle pressure should be important too.. Given that LB's like to max W first and use it to farm, they should be a lot more vulnerable to ganks than before the rework.
This is all conjecture though. I really don't see a lot of LeBlancs at my level and lately it's a fight to get jungle. So I usually just get to watch a LeBlanc rock my team early without being able to do much.
janna probably won't be able to keep up in lane now that they nerfed her waveclear. she has too low of an autoattack range and her skills are all kind of too weird for laning.
I dunno why pros insist on lulu, I find her an absolute bore to watch. I mean it's kinda cool they play her but they give solo queue the wrong ideas :/
I dunno, all of that doesn't affect my experience with lee sin, although maybe him being weaker in duels will allow my jungler to get on his shit a bit more and have him lay off me.
that's kind of how competitive works, you just play the champion that is less countereable and most bullshitty
Tizoc
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Excuse my language but:
IS IT FUCKING NOOB WEEK OR SOMETHING?!
One game I lost had the most noobest Trudgle ever, I managed to kill te poor sod half a dozen or so times.
My recent match had Bltizcrank+Nautilis at bottom and those 2 were FEEDING the opposition. By 20 mins mark, I said eff it and made a surrender request, they were 15 kills ahead of us and I don't think I could've made any progress at effin' all.
IS IT FUCKING NOOB WEEK OR SOMETHING?!
One game I lost had the most noobest Trudgle ever, I managed to kill te poor sod half a dozen or so times.
My recent match had Bltizcrank+Nautilis at bottom and those 2 were FEEDING the opposition. By 20 mins mark, I said eff it and made a surrender request, they were 15 kills ahead of us and I don't think I could've made any progress at effin' all.
Ick, this is not what I wanted from a dodgeball syndra.
Congrats brochacho
personally I play thresh with hp quints and armor reds, pretty much what I use on every support except maybe annie where I go just regular ap mid page. armor reds is probably a waste but I don't like any of the other stats.
but yea autoattack harass means shit in a doran's shield world, I'd rather be tankier and 100-0 people since that's what bot lane's about right now anyways
I'm still waiting for pool party orianna too
but yea autoattack harass means shit in a doran's shield world, I'd rather be tankier and 100-0 people since that's what bot lane's about right now anyways
well ahri and sona already have perfect skins so it is only natural I want the best for all the girls
I'm still waiting for pool party orianna too
congrats yo
You're still leveling right?
It takes a lot of games for most guys to get real solid at the game and there's always smurfs here and there so expect some stomps on both sides.
Even once you're 30 and playing ranked there will be games that are a total stomp one side or another. Best advice is to do your best to let it roll off and just move on to the next one. League is a rage inducing game by nature and I'd hate to see a gaffer get caught up in the vitriol
Gratz my man. Well deserved. You certainly play at least gold level. Keep up the grind to plat
GoldGAF!
Good attitude
Only saying as a PSA. I have a friend that absolutely refuses to play LoL. He rages so hard at the game and knows he will keep doing it if he plays. Unfortunate cause I love playing games with the guy. Just won't ever be League haha.
Yup, but you gotta do it correctly. She can easily take kills from your laners which later on might bite them in the ass.
Dreams-Visions
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When was that not the thing? When I briefly played LoL in Jan of 2012, LeBlanc was the only champ I played and maxing W was the thing then too. Highest damage skill and you want the cooldown as low as possible. I don't ever remember a time when maxing W first wasn't the thing to do.
Like I said, I'm no LB players.
? q was always the one people maxed because it was the max single target damage spell and it still is
and maxing w first right now isn't really the thing either, most people still max q first :/
Ya that was pretty silly
Tizoc
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Hope someone can help please:
What're the best lanes for each of the currently free characters? The guides I'm reading don't seem to be clear @_@
For reference its these:
http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/...pion-rotation-annie-blitzcrank-corki-and-more
What're the best lanes for each of the currently free characters? The guides I'm reading don't seem to be clear @_@
For reference its these:
http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/...pion-rotation-annie-blitzcrank-corki-and-more
PhillipCostigan
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I remember the second ever game I played of Yasuo when he came out I was laned against a top lane Taric. He had more armour than I had AD for most of the game. Not a nice feeling :/
its different in the latin america mebbe hue
if i recall
correctly, they reworked leblanc, putting particular flat values on her ult, I don't think it was like that b4?
this way u are less punished for maxing w over q, tho a lot of ppl like to get 2 levels of q before 6 since its better harass
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